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 Lord Damocles wrote:
Cummings took his kids to his parents when he starts displaying symptoms of the virus - in accordance with the Deputy Chief Medical Officer's advice of a couple of days before.

Date and citation and wording of advice, please.

(And then some random guy claimed that he saw somebody who looked like Cummings on another day. I'm going to press X to doubt on that...)

1 named source who took down registration plate at Barnard Castle and another unamed source but whom three different newspapers have spoken to saw close enough to eavesdrop at Bluebell Woods.

The government have not denied either.

 A.D. wrote:


Because a lockdown means low oil demand - tanking the prices. They obviously know lockdowns will be enforced when they send the virus to the west.
Let's face it we are in a cold war.

China's economy is dependent on selling stuff. China can't export to countries which are in lockdown because ALL demand breaks down.
That is why your point inherently makes no sense.

These governments are run by evil criminal mafias, they will happily murder their own people and stage events in order to impose stricter control on their population and to damage the economies and start wars with other countries (e.g 9/11) You know that.

Proclaiming an authoritharian communist party an mafia is an interesting but not really valid comparison. No, for them any disruption of trade is an inherent challange to their position of power, making this also verifyably untrue.

I don't know anything as fact but either does anyone else. I just don't believe what I see on the news and I do my own research, and I like to express the views that most people are scared to.

just let me get this straight, you belive, for reasons, that the chinese, which run an export orientated economy on the up and up and which sole claim of the governing elite to power is the improving living conditions, would willfully target their own market, in order to do what excactly? At that stage you'd assume that the comunist chinese party has an collective deathwish.

I was wondering when the Cummings dam was going to break. I declined from mentioning it myself, due to its nature.

You all know my views on the lockdown. Hes an adult, made a decision. I respect him for not backing down, and allowing the media to show their true nature. eg a bunch of screeching, witch hunter, lynch mob 'Karen's'. Led by the new appointed 'karen' in chief, piers Morgan. It's been hard to watch.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
I was wondering when the Cummings dam was going to break. I declined from mentioning it myself, due to its nature.

You all know my views on the lockdown. Hes an adult, made a decision. I respect him for not backing down, and allowing the media to show their true nature. eg a bunch of screeching, witch hunter, lynch mob 'Karen's'. Led by the new appointed 'karen' in chief, piers Morgan. It's been hard to watch.

It's entirely political, but flagrant misrepresentations need challenged.

Obviously you'll be on his side in terms of 'using common sense', but it's kinda surprising you wouldn't even pass comment on the hypocrisy of the man who is behind all the communications you've been so opposed to.

Regarding Cummings: In the UK we are like omg a politician broke lockdown rule he must be sacked. Don't you think we have bigger things to care about? Haven't we all broken the lockdown rule and are all human? Maybe the guy is important in his job? People should be more worried about the tracking app they trying to roll out being bent over by their government than some politician trying to spend time with his family rightfully or wrongfully. People got some strange priorities. *shrug*

nfe wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
I was wondering when the Cummings dam was going to break. I declined from mentioning it myself, due to its nature.

You all know my views on the lockdown. Hes an adult, made a decision. I respect him for not backing down, and allowing the media to show their true nature. eg a bunch of screeching, witch hunter, lynch mob 'Karen's'. Led by the new appointed 'karen' in chief, piers Morgan. It's been hard to watch.

It's entirely political, but flagrant misrepresentations need challenged.

Obviously you'll be on his side in terms of 'using common sense', but it's kinda surprising you wouldn't even pass comment on the hypocrisy of the man who is behind all the communications you've been so opposed to.

Well I keep hearing that, but I don't know enough about it to comment yet. If he did contribute to the blanket lockdown, then yeah i'll judge accordingly

 Overread wrote:

 A.D. wrote:

Do these images not make you sick to your stomach? Is it in the public interest to enforce these lockdowns for something that kills less than flu? And for the rest of TIME we will have to deal with new strict controls. Absolutely NOT in anyones interest. It's the globalists interest.

So aside from all the numbers and science showing that it kills more than flu and the fact that lockdowns were designed to be temporary measures to contain the spread. I mean what benefit is shutting beaches - or is this a great ploy to finally once and for all destroy icecream vendors by killing their entire market.

Seriously just pause and logically ask yourself who benefits from lockdowns and shutdowns. Companies don't as there's no workers nor customers; governments don't because there's no one generating money to pay them nor the country. It's a net loss for all that's why people hate them, but its done because the other option is mass pandemic.

also it's flagrant misrepresenation of that case, if it is indeed the same one i have in mind, because the one i know about was due to the surfer going through and then needed rescuing on top of closed beaches.

So like triple stupidity in one.

Not Online!!! wrote:

China's economy is dependent on selling stuff. China can't export to countries which are in lockdown because ALL demand breaks down.
That is why your point inherently makes no sense.

No you're absolutely wrong. China's economy is not based on exports anymore. It was 10+ years ago so you're just a bit behind. Not to worry.

just let me get this straight, you belive, for reasons, that the chinese, which run an export orientated economy on the up and up and which sole claim of the governing elite to power is the improving living conditions, would willfully target their own market, in order to do what excactly? At that stage you'd assume that the comunist chinese party has an collective deathwish.
.

I don't want to get too crazy but SARS was also a synthesised virus (evidence provided by a russian scientist, Kolesnikof i believe) except that was created by the US to be used against China, this obviously has been in the works as retaliation since then. In my view.

They don't need the wests money anymore, they are richer than us. They are importing almost as much as they are exporting. And their export economy is based on a steel monopoly rather than cheap consumer goods. They are buying all of our luxury cars and our designer clothing, they are on a massive flex. They will of course take a hit to the Ren in order to achieve their global agenda. These things become trivial once you are self sufficient with 3 billion (unofficial) population. China is up and running even during COVID, they only locked down Wuhan, we are not though.

 A.D. wrote:

They don't need the wests money anymore, they are richer than us. They are buying all of our luxury cars and our designer clothing, they are on a massive flex. They will of course take a hit to the Ren in order to achieve their global agenda. These things become trivial once you are self sufficient with 3 billion (unofficial) population. China is up and running even during COVID, they only locked down Wuhan, we are not though.

Ahh yes they are buying all our stuff - the stuff we weren't making because of Corona? So not only can't they export but they can't import either.

Also you're behind the times, China locked down another city semi-recently - I believe one person slipped the track and trace net and carried it in. Showing how effective corona is at spreading.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 A.D. wrote:

Do these images not make you sick to your stomach? Is it in the public interest to enforce these lockdowns for something that kills less than flu? And for the rest of TIME we will have to deal with new strict controls. Absolutely NOT in anyones interest. It's the globalists interest.

So aside from all the numbers and science showing that it kills more than flu and the fact that lockdowns were designed to be temporary measures to contain the spread. I mean what benefit is shutting beaches - or is this a great ploy to finally once and for all destroy icecream vendors by killing their entire market.

Seriously just pause and logically ask yourself who benefits from lockdowns and shutdowns. Companies don't as there's no workers nor customers; governments don't because there's no one generating money to pay them nor the country. It's a net loss for all that's why people hate them, but its done because the other option is mass pandemic.

also it's flagrant misrepresenation of that case, if it is indeed the same one i have in mind, because the one i know about was due to the surfer going through and then needed rescuing on top of closed beaches.

So like triple stupidity in one.

I won't answer your other points. I don't have time.

Proof:


Proven wrong on what I can prove.

 A.D. wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:
I think you should prepare to get your view removed, because that is so political and of such a conspiracy theory level that there is no reasonable way to engage that.

Why would my view be removed it doesn't break any rules and it's on topic. If you wan't a discussion where controversial views are removed and everything is PC then you're closed minded in my opinion. Not only are there reasonable ways to engage (if you wanted to, you could just move on and ignore it) but 50% of people know it's fishy but just don't have answers.

It breaks the no politics rule quite obviously. This kind of debate has been tried and deleted in this thread before, including comments of mine on the subject from the opposite view of the general argument you made. Hence giving you a heads up and letting you know that for others to engage is basically pointless by the time the next mod sweeps through this thread again.

 A.D. wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 A.D. wrote:

Do these images not make you sick to your stomach? Is it in the public interest to enforce these lockdowns for something that kills less than flu? And for the rest of TIME we will have to deal with new strict controls. Absolutely NOT in anyones interest. It's the globalists interest.

So aside from all the numbers and science showing that it kills more than flu and the fact that lockdowns were designed to be temporary measures to contain the spread. I mean what benefit is shutting beaches - or is this a great ploy to finally once and for all destroy icecream vendors by killing their entire market.

Seriously just pause and logically ask yourself who benefits from lockdowns and shutdowns. Companies don't as there's no workers nor customers; governments don't because there's no one generating money to pay them nor the country. It's a net loss for all that's why people hate them, but its done because the other option is mass pandemic.

also it's flagrant misrepresenation of that case, if it is indeed the same one i have in mind, because the one i know about was due to the surfer going through and then needed rescuing on top of closed beaches.

So like triple stupidity in one.

I won't answer your other points. I don't have time.

Proof:


Proven wrong on what I can prove.

Didn't know Malibu is in new jersey?

not to mention the first pic you post shows an UK cop if i am not mistaken.
Whilest the video looks like the states?

 Overread wrote:

 A.D. wrote:

They don't need the wests money anymore, they are richer than us. They are buying all of our luxury cars and our designer clothing, they are on a massive flex. They will of course take a hit to the Ren in order to achieve their global agenda. These things become trivial once you are self sufficient with 3 billion (unofficial) population. China is up and running even during COVID, they only locked down Wuhan, we are not though.

Ahh yes they are buying all our stuff - the stuff we weren't making because of Corona? So not only can't they export but they can't import either.

Also you're behind the times, China locked down another city semi-recently - I believe one person slipped the track and trace net and carried it in. Showing how effective corona is at spreading.

Let's not get too pedantic.
I meant Hubei province not Wuhan city sorry.

Question: Does ANYONE here, know a single person (not a friend of a friend) who has COVID-19?


@Not Online!!

There were 2 pictures one is from the video the other is from the UK.
Irrelevant. The point is they are arresting him for enjoying a beach and it could you be you next.

Irrelevant?
Lad, you are mistaken on economics and geopolitics which is easily disprovable in these cases.

You are fearmongering and or trolling a rather informative thread.

You can't discern the UK from the USA.
I am honest with you, wtf are you smoking?

While I agree that lockdown policing across the country has sat between common sense and outright lunacy, I'm not going to link it to any conspiracy theories.

I believe scientists have analysed the virus and concluded it developed naturally. However the fact there is a virology institute in Wuhan, which was studying bat coronavirus, makes it easy to see how people could get sucked into conspiracy theories.

Anymore of this redpill crap and people arses are out of here.

Stay on topic and follow the rules, this is not the place to preach ones elaborate conspiracy theories.

Believing the virus was engineered requires a poor understanding of biology and genetic engineering--once one does it is plain to see how impossible such a claim is. If someone tells you it was engineered, ask them to explain how.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Believing the virus was engineered requires a poor understanding of biology and genetic engineering--once one does it is plain to see how impossible such a claim is. If someone tells you it was engineered, ask them to explain how.

I think you mean man made and not engineered, assuming the conspiracy is true (I do not believe it is) then it could easily be argued that studying a virus and experimenting with it and then it escaping somehow would be considered "engineered" even though no actual genetic engineering takes place, the set of circumstances are put in place through human interference, they are engineered.

All we know is this Virus either came from people studying the Virus or from people hunting the bats it allegedly came from, either way it does not really matter as the end result was the same, China lied, the W.H.O complied, the media denied and people died.... its a total and complete failure across the board.

 A.D. wrote:


Question: Does ANYONE here, know a single person (not a friend of a friend) who has COVID-19?

Yes. I personally know three. One’s currently recovering from the lung damage, the other two are still bed ridden but likely to recover.

Then there’s friends and family who work in the healthcare profession; there’s deaths everyday.

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 A.D. wrote:


Question: Does ANYONE here, know a single person (not a friend of a friend) who has COVID-19?

Yes. I personally know three. One’s currently recovering from the lung damage, the other two are still bed ridden but likely to recover.

Then there’s friends and family who work in the healthcare profession; there’s deaths everyday.

Both myself and my twin sister got it then my housemate got it.

 A.D. wrote:
Regarding Cummings: In the UK we are like omg a politician broke lockdown rule he must be sacked. Don't you think we have bigger things to care about? Haven't we all broken the lockdown rule and are all human? Maybe the guy is important in his job? People should be more worried about the tracking app they trying to roll out being bent over by their government than some politician trying to spend time with his family rightfully or wrongfully. People got some strange priorities. *shrug*

Cummings is not a politician he is a very highly paid advisor to the Prime Minister.

No I have not borken the Lockdown rule and many of the people I know have not either which is why people are so angry. People have not been able to see their ill, fragile or dying relatives but because this man is protected by his friend and employer he is allowed to say FU to everyone.

It also promotes the idea that he and others (like the other gov advisors that had to resign when they broke their own rules) were proclaiming "one rule for you lot, different rule for me" - once that takes hold, everyone says well why bother obeying the rules if those who are setting them ignore them as well.

He needs to go and should have resigned already.

Let's see what his public statement is this afternoon first. Not that he has to make one... And the public hounding him is unacceptable. It's disgusting to see what has become of the British public.

Civil Servants aren’t supposed to give any kind of public statement though..

Anyways, retiring from the thread because Politics.

Well yeah, there is that, but as we've seen over the weekend, those supposdely apolitical organisations have had no issue showing their colours.

This is one of the main things that's bothered me about this whole thing, how it's become partisan. Were becoming more and more like the US.

 Formosa wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 A.D. wrote:


Question: Does ANYONE here, know a single person (not a friend of a friend) who has COVID-19?

Yes. I personally know three. One’s currently recovering from the lung damage, the other two are still bed ridden but likely to recover.

Then there’s friends and family who work in the healthcare profession; there’s deaths everyday.

Both myself and my twin sister got it then my housemate got it.

Did you all make a swift recovery? No lasting damage I hope? I’ve heard about what it’s done to a family friend (it literally ruined him) so I’m always concerned to hear about it.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Let's see what his public statement is this afternoon first. Not that he has to make one... And the public hounding him is unacceptable. It's disgusting to see what has become of the British public.

Personally its disgusting to see a highly paid gov offical showing such contempt for anyone questioning him in any was evident from his replies.

The Bishops and others calling for him to resign that I have seen have been calm and measured and simply stating that he is destroying the public trust and undermining the message that the majorty of people have been obeying no matter what their individual situation was.

Yes some Conservatives have it in for him, but thats irrelevant to the issue here.

 A.D. wrote:
Question: Does ANYONE here, know a single person (not a friend of a friend) who has COVID-19?

I received the news today that I have tested positive for COVID- I've been isolating since I developed symptoms on Thursday and was tested on Saturday.

I've also directly cared for patients with COVID-19, and patients I have cared for have died of the disease.

One of my immediate colleagues is still suffering after-effects 2 months on from contracting it. I have a friend working elsewhere whose consultant died from it.




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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

nfe wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
I was wondering when the Cummings dam was going to break. I declined from mentioning it myself, due to its nature.

You all know my views on the lockdown. Hes an adult, made a decision. I respect him for not backing down, and allowing the media to show their true nature. eg a bunch of screeching, witch hunter, lynch mob 'Karen's'. Led by the new appointed 'karen' in chief, piers Morgan. It's been hard to watch.

It's entirely political, but flagrant misrepresentations need challenged.

Obviously you'll be on his side in terms of 'using common sense', but it's kinda surprising you wouldn't even pass comment on the hypocrisy of the man who is behind all the communications you've been so opposed to.

Well I keep hearing that, but I don't know enough about it to comment yet. If he did contribute to the blanket lockdown, then yeah i'll judge accordingly

Well, he has a seat on SAGE despite not being a scientist and is a very senior figure within Johnson's inner circle. He at the very least has had a lot of influence on government stategy throughout its response to COVID.

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 A.D. wrote:


Question: Does ANYONE here, know a single person (not a friend of a friend) who has COVID-19?

Yes. I personally know three. One’s currently recovering from the lung damage, the other two are still bed ridden but likely to recover.

Then there’s friends and family who work in the healthcare profession; there’s deaths everyday.

Both myself and my twin sister got it then my housemate got it.

Did you all make a swift recovery? No lasting damage I hope? I’ve heard about what it’s done to a family friend (it literally ruined him) so I’m always concerned to hear about it.

We were all fine, it just felt like a bad cold to me but my house mate was down for the count for over a week, sister is in the high risk category but she was fine too thankfully, we all work for the NHS in different jobs so all got tested positive for the Rona which is how we knew it was that.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

nfe wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
I was wondering when the Cummings dam was going to break. I declined from mentioning it myself, due to its nature.

You all know my views on the lockdown. Hes an adult, made a decision. I respect him for not backing down, and allowing the media to show their true nature. eg a bunch of screeching, witch hunter, lynch mob 'Karen's'. Led by the new appointed 'karen' in chief, piers Morgan. It's been hard to watch.

It's entirely political, but flagrant misrepresentations need challenged.

Obviously you'll be on his side in terms of 'using common sense', but it's kinda surprising you wouldn't even pass comment on the hypocrisy of the man who is behind all the communications you've been so opposed to.

Well I keep hearing that, but I don't know enough about it to comment yet. If he did contribute to the blanket lockdown, then yeah i'll judge accordingly

I suppose it's possible that a swathe of prominent Tories are lying about it, and that no one from government has thought it worth disputing, despite bending over backwards to (pretend to) clarify everything else, and that every account of his being an iron-fisted controller of policy and comms in every advisory job he's had is also false, and that no one has ever thought it worth disputing any of them either, but it doesn't seem massively likely.

At the very least, government explicitly lied about his father's interaction with police, then called the cops liars for saying otherwise, then decided that wasn't the case and that they spoke about something else as well as his presence in Durham so it doesn't count, and that seems worthy of at least a hint of curiosity?

It's probably torpedoed tons of fines handed out for breaking lockdown, so I imagine you're glad it's hit the news hard for that reason, if nothing else?

I don’t know anyone personally that has caught it, but I do have a brother in law and his wife whom both work in a hospital in Spain as nurses.
They have said it’s horrifying and they have never seen anything like COVID19. They both work in ICU and the entire hospital was closed to anything but COVID patients for almost 2 months. The people that go into ICU are already on their way out from what they have told me, and at most patients last a couple of weeks once they are on a ventilator.

Both of them are nurses with the wife working as a pacemaker installer, but she was pulled to cover COVID instead. They have personally stated that they think it’s a bio weapon due to the way it attacks and the way it will atrophy lung tissue. It basically turns your lung tissues into stone, which is why those affected have such a hard time breathing.

It’s a horrifying illness from what they have said. It’s not something I want anyone to catch just based on their first hand information.