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I think this weekend I'll probably have the wife cut my hair as well. She has never done it so I am sure this will be an amazing experience, but this is as unkempt as I have ever looked and it honestly can't go anywhere but better from here.

My hair looks pretty damn good for growing out for 11 weeks.

My wife cut our son’s hair, and did a really good job of it. She won’t cut my hair, though, for it amuses her to see my head so poofy.

 Vulcan wrote:
Now here's the scary part. Imagine someone infected with this virus working in a fast-food joint. Up to two weeks of working with people's food while being contagous but asymptomatic is scary.

That's how it's going to explode in America, if it gets that far. Just one fast-food worker could infect tens of thousands...

Maybe. But its also quite possible -- even likely -- that one fast food worker won't do that. Social distancing, glove and mask use, frequent handwashing, all make even such a situation far less dangerous than it was 4 months ago. Restaurant air filtiration and venting systems are profoundly good at sucking the air out of the kitchen and blowing it out the top of the restaurant, lest it fill with smoke and cooking smells, and the "hood" vent system also has the happy side effect of clearing the air from inside the restaurant pretty quickly.
Its very rare for one fast food worker to infect tens of thousands of people. To do that, you need something like a chronic carrier case from the 1990s when a pet turtle infested the salad bar (which was not properly cleaned) with salmonella mikurwasa (don't make me remember how to spell that bacterium). Only one worker brought it in with him and he only worked one day a week -- so he constantly re-infected the salad bar (used to make the tacos this particular restaurant sells as more or less its only menu items) which was probably cleaned, carefully, 1 time a week as well Thousands of people were sickened, and multiple levels of government began carefully investigating every single food item that restaurant bought or used (there was much made of a similar bacterium once havingbeen found in spainish olives and speculation that the freezers might be infested in the olive supply, or the trucks, or ... nobody could figure it out. Till one day the helath inspector happened to be there for his daily inspection (it was serious enough that they were going over there almost every day) and saw the salad lettuce move. "What's that?" "That's my pet turtle, I can't leave him at home, I let hiim play in the lettuce." Mystery solved! But...That is a bacterial, not viral pattern -- because the same food recycled in and out ofthe salad bar could grow more bacteria, spread to more food, raise the innoculum of infection for people eating it, get up out of temperature zone and propagate more bacteria, get put back into cooling and wait like a snake in the grass to infect another day. It was food poisoning that could be spread by food -- in a restaurant, and the very poor sanitation of that particular restuarant meant every taco they made ended up with bits of that salad in it. A virus, even if you sneezed it on the salad bar for a week, would be GONE in a week, because that one fast food worker would get over the disease or get so sick he went home, and the virus itself doesn't propagate by eating lettuce and ground beef at room temperature. So yeah, you could infect dozens of people that way, but likely not thousands, from one guy who asymptomatically (or rather, presymptomatically) began sneezing on his food. The food that is cookoed up to higher temperatures, you basically kill the virus, so your only worry is getting int on the packaging, the money, that the food comes with or is used as change back to the person. Many, many people pay only with credit cards now -- and the packaging, I suspect, many people are wary enough to be caustious in restricting what they touch. Even if your infected fellow was in charge of loading the napkin dispenser with napkins, he would only touch 2 napkins out of a stack of perhaps 100, if he was in charge of handing out straws to people, remember those straws are wrapped in paper which tends to keep the straw itself sanitary even if he sneezes. So if people are a tiny bit clever about removing food from the packaging, and THEN washing their hands again before eating? Our mr man in the fast food place may actually be unable to infect anyone at all (coworkers excepted).

Could some numbnuts still sneeze on his gloves repeatedly and wipe them clean on the burgers he is selling? Sure. But its not quite as drastic a situation as the 10,000s of plague victims makes it sound. (Although if oyu infect the RIGHT dozen people, the gift will keep on giving, but even then, we are far more reslient against such spread than we were, and even things normally counted on to spread a plague like wildfire are somewhat reduced in our behavior sets these days.) Cause his viral load is only so high -- the moment he sneezes, it begins to dilute, and the restaurant doesn't spontaneiously create more virus to add to that threat like in the huge food poisoning cases we associate with bacterial infestattions of the food chain.

Finally, and I can't emphasize this enough for the doom and gloom crowd. This disease borders on being harmless to anyone but the quite high risk groups over 60, so much of the population that is currrently eating in fast food joints are going to be the yougner crowd that shake it off as a cold, rather than the stay in the old folks home crowds who gave us such impressive casualty rates in new york and new jersey with the "send in the sick" policies in play. If your man infected 10,000 people, and none of them happened to be over 60, he would have roughly 25 percent chance of killing ONE person, total, so weak is the disease in the young. Sure, they might have to be isolated from old folks homes for 2 weeks, but we are already ata point where we have to treat all strangers as infectious and deadly, in this plague, so its no additional harm, and by immunizing 10,000 people, your brave fast food worker would also be creating the herd immunity that lockdown people often forget is our goal.

The younger crowd is not as safe as early reports made them sound. Even people who experienced very minor symptoms now show lung and organ damage from the virus. It’s far from harmless.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/healthcare/488325-cdc-data-show-coronavirus-poses-serious-risk-for-younger-people%3famp

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The younger crowd is not as safe as early reports made them sound. Even people who experienced very minor symptoms now show lung and organ damage from the virus. It’s far from harmless.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/healthcare/488325-cdc-data-show-coronavirus-poses-serious-risk-for-younger-people%3famp

Which is another issue with the "let it run rampant and get herd immunity" strategy. We have no idea about the long-term effects for those who recover. Down the line that organ damage can have very serious health implications, and potentially be an even larger strain on the health system than the virus itself.

So Elon Musk calls lockdowns facism, opens up factories without permission and now corona has started to spread within workers. Good job.

That guy is useless. And bloody dangerous only interested in personal wealth.

He likes being a disruptor. That's good when he's disrupting something like fossil fuels, but not everything needs to be disrupted.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
He likes being a disruptor. That's good when he's disrupting something like fossil fuels, but not everything needs to be disrupted.

He certainly did a good job of disrupting his company's share price on a couple of occasions

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The younger crowd is not as safe as early reports made them sound. Even people who experienced very minor symptoms now show lung and organ damage from the virus. It’s far from harmless.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/healthcare/488325-cdc-data-show-coronavirus-poses-serious-risk-for-younger-people%3famp

Which is another issue with the "let it run rampant and get herd immunity" strategy. We have no idea about the long-term effects for those who recover. Down the line that organ damage can have very serious health implications, and potentially be an even larger strain on the health system than the virus itself.

The respiratory department where I work are really worried about the next few years. They are anticipating a massive increase in service load.

GW refunding all their lockdown state aid.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/games-workshop-to-refund-state-aid-after-business-charges-ahead-z9qw3j8bf

That is pretty decent of them.

Props to GW for that.

Turns out that PLCs can't pay dividends or management bonuses if they haven't paid back state aid.

nfe wrote:
Turns out that PLCs can't pay dividends or management bonuses if they haven't paid back state aid.

Well then we got the "altruistic" reason for this behaviour then

nfe wrote:
Turns out that PLCs can't pay dividends or management bonuses if they haven't paid back state aid.

If you're going to just lob a loaded statement out there, at least quote in full the person who posted it on Twitter:

So apparently, according to the Financial Conduct Authority, public limited companies aren't allowed to pay dividends to shareholders or provide bonuses to senior management if they've received state aid that they haven't paid it back.

Just sharing that apropos of nothing.

I feel like I should be clear that I'm not saying "neeer, evil company, evil company!", more "come on everyone, big publicly traded companies don't often give away large chunks of money because they're feeling altruistic."

I mean, some do. And they're awesome. But still.

Much like how this is the time of year when GW traditionally does price raises, there usually seems to be a dividend announcement in July as well. It would make sense that now they might try to make sure they can make a dividend announcement on the back of New40k.

Rightly so. but it's a good move. Shows shareholders that they're looked after by the company. If they have the capital it's the right thing to do.

nfe wrote:
Turns out that PLCs can't pay dividends or management bonuses if they haven't paid back state aid.

I wish it was like that in america! I give england credit for this idea, I really do.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fired-florida-scientist-builds-coronavirus-190533868.html

Scientist fired from Florida for not falsifying numbers set up her own we site showing the correct numbers.

I note that there are two very different stories about that incident and the person involved.
Its a good case study of the media handling something during the plague in a very partisan manner on both sides.

Dukeofstuff wrote:
I note that there are two very different stories about that incident and the person involved.
Its a good case study of the media handling something during the plague in a very partisan manner on both sides.

Can you expand on this? Because in the posted story, there really... isn't another side.

Jones, who built the state dashboard, says she was fired May 18 after refusing to “manipulate” COVID-19 data to justify reopening. DeSantis said she was fired because “she didn’t listen to the people who were her superiors.”

Those two sentences are perfectly in sync with each other. You must have some other source you are drawing from, I think?

 Ouze wrote:

Dukeofstuff wrote:
I note that there are two very different stories about that incident and the person involved.
Its a good case study of the media handling something during the plague in a very partisan manner on both sides.

Can you expand on this? Because in the posted story, there really... isn't another side.

Jones, who built the state dashboard, says she was fired May 18 after refusing to “manipulate” COVID-19 data to justify reopening. DeSantis said she was fired because “she didn’t listen to the people who were her superiors.”

Those two sentences are perfectly in sync with each other. You must have some other source you are drawing from, I think?

I too want to see the 'other side' argument. It is highly relevant to determining the situation in Florida if the 'correct numbers' she is giving are or are not actually correct.

So new zealand declared itself free from corona yet after 3 weeks corona patients appeared. Not unexpected as without vaccines killing virus is all but impossible. It might appear defeated but has habit of resurfacing eventually anyway. And the way modern world works just increases issue.

Very true.

New Zealand's new cases are people from the UK. They were released early from quarantine under "compassionate" rules to let them visit adying relative.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/16/new-zealand-records-first-new-covid-19-cases-after-women-arrive-from-uk-carrying-virus

It illustrates the dangers of the situation. The patients should have been tested before early release.

Or if you're going to do that keep them in isolation whilst they move through the country. This does highlight the difficulty though, even a country that clears itself is still at high risk from anyone from overseas. This will include the whole shipping infrastructure of goods not just holidaymakers and such.

 Matt Swain wrote:

nfe wrote:
Turns out that PLCs can't pay dividends or management bonuses if they haven't paid back state aid.

I wish it was like that in america! I give england credit for this idea, I really do.

That's not entirely correct - separate discussion here.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
New Zealand's new cases are people from the UK. They were released early from quarantine under "compassionate" rules to let them visit adying relative.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/16/new-zealand-records-first-new-covid-19-cases-after-women-arrive-from-uk-carrying-virus

It illustrates the dangers of the situation. The patients should have been tested before early release.

Yeah. But unless you lock your country 100% which means no post, no imports, no exports etc you won't be able to keep virus out forever.

How self-sustaining New Zealand is? anything they import that's something they can't produce themselves and can't really just dump? That's instant source of viruses from people transporting it. And all it takes is one person and it can start whole big chain. South Korea got lots of new cases when that were tracked down to ONE person as the source...

And that's why track and trace is the only way to police modern nations with the virus at large. At least until we either hit herd immunity or vaccine or at least gain medical drugs that reduce the worst of the condition.

You can lockdown like crazy, but in the end people move around (this is nothing new even in cave-man days humans moved around a LOT and traded items across vast distances). Goods move, people move and so much of the infrastructure of most countries relies on things from outside.

Lots of friends going back to work this week!

City finally stopped having mobs of protesters as well