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GW models are expensive?! Stop the press! Let me note down this hot take before I forget.

This is going to be an unpopular opinion but it has to be said I think. In this thread we see Eldar players already making excuses for not buying the latest plastic aspect warrior sculpts before they are even released separately. I distinctly remember a thread whose participants all claimed that the primary reason Craftworld players did not invest in the new Banshees was because they were released in an expensive boxed set with less desirable units. Now they’re going to be released separately and it looks to me like most people here are making new excuses (largely around the price, that we don’t know yet) for why they won’t be purchasing.

It is exactly this reason that GW will take forever to update the Craftworld line. Craftworld players are proving there is no market for plastic sculpts of existing models. That is a shame.

tneva82 wrote:
People have complained about GW prices for minimum of 24 years(how long I have been playing GW games. Can't comment on before that).

Good luck getting early and loud enough. 24 years of non stop complaining is clearly too late and too quiet.

And I suspect people have been complaining about people complaining for almost as long.

Didn't take long for the GW bootlicking to start. It's the customers' fault they don't want to buy what GW produces!

Anyway, I wonder if the sudden release of all previously box-hostage models (AoS heroes last weekend, now this) and lack of Seraphon release is related to printed material/terrain kits being made in China, which is pretty much closed down due to the epidemic.

Cronch wrote:
Anyway, I wonder if the sudden release of all previously box-hostage models (AoS heroes last weekend, now this) and lack of Seraphon release is related to printed material/terrain kits being made in China, which is pretty much closed down due to the epidemic.

"We'd love to bring you that awesome looking Seraphon Ziggurat that we previewed a few weeks ago, but apparently things went a bit awry at the ol' Umbrella Disease Research Lab and now we can just bring you things that were exclusive to boxes in the past 18 months."

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
It is exactly this reason that GW will take forever to update the Craftworld line. Craftworld players are proving there is no market for plastic sculpts of existing models. That is a shame.

Well GW did kind of feth up the release, first by doing some massive hype work for weeks as if some plastic elves is second coming of Khaine himself, then locking them in a box with units nobody wants (+something something australian problems), plus the said aspect and Phoenix Lords never getting any eye catching rules which would make competetive players running around saying how meta is dead, and so on. The butthurt over Jain not getting an invul qualified for GW having to remove comments etc.

If they simply did the hype train and "here's the minis, preorder now", certainly release would have went better.

Remember, a lot of CW is still gak-cast with jacked up prices, so now they're testing the patience of already very salty community, and "here'5 banshees for price of 5 mega marines" won't do them any more favours.

(Not that I believe they care or anything lol)

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
GW models are expensive?! Stop the press! Let me note down this hot take before I forget.

This is going to be an unpopular opinion but it has to be said I think. In this thread we see Eldar players already making excuses for not buying the latest plastic aspect warrior sculpts before they are even released separately. I distinctly remember a thread whose participants all claimed that the primary reason Craftworld players did not invest in the new Banshees was because they were released in an expensive boxed set with less desirable units. Now they’re going to be released separately and it looks to me like most people here are making new excuses (largely around the price, that we don’t know yet) for why they won’t be purchasing.

It is exactly this reason that GW will take forever to update the Craftworld line. Craftworld players are proving there is no market for plastic sculpts of existing models. That is a shame.

I do believe you are making way too many presumptions. You do not know if the same people here were the same ones posting in the other thread. I posted in the other thread and I will be buying myself some of these plastic sculpts, and probably start with the heroes.

Craftworlds players aren't some homogeneous collective, but a collection of individuals who all have different opinions about this as well as actions. Do I think the kits will probably be expensive? Yes, but I'll still get myself one of each to start with(maybe more for the Incubi as I really like the lore and design). Some people will buy the new kits, some will not, just like any other faction. If I were to make the same leap of judgments as you have then all the Ork complaining I seem over the years must mean that Orks will be squatted any day now.

Chopstick wrote:
The only things that'd make them change the price is a dip in sale and profit, I don't see that number going down any time soon.

They did lose profits(though still profitable) and # of units sold(which was compensated only partially by increased prices). Didn't have much impact except PR department was upgraded.


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Cronch wrote:
Didn't take long for the GW bootlicking to start. It's the customers' fault they don't want to buy what GW produces!

Anyway, I wonder if the sudden release of all previously box-hostage models (AoS heroes last weekend, now this) and lack of Seraphon release is related to printed material/terrain kits being made in China, which is pretty much closed down due to the epidemic.

Seraphim books shouldn't be affected seeing for books to be coming any time soon books would have been printed and shipped before epidemic started.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
GW models are expensive?! Stop the press! Let me note down this hot take before I forget.

This is going to be an unpopular opinion but it has to be said I think. In this thread we see Eldar players already making excuses for not buying the latest plastic aspect warrior sculpts before they are even released separately. I distinctly remember a thread whose participants all claimed that the primary reason Craftworld players did not invest in the new Banshees was because they were released in an expensive boxed set with less desirable units. Now they’re going to be released separately and it looks to me like most people here are making new excuses (largely around the price, that we don’t know yet) for why they won’t be purchasing.

It is exactly this reason that GW will take forever to update the Craftworld line. Craftworld players are proving there is no market for plastic sculpts of existing models. That is a shame.

TL: DR Eldar players should STFU and buy anything in order to get more things, and it's solely their fault GW has no plan on how to keep the schedule balanced. (yet here we have an Ork player, tell me, do you run Mek gunz? have you bought them all ? No? Erm isn't that excactly the same ?)




Fun fact, GW indeed doesn't know how to keep a balanced schedule of releases considering their "Surprise" at the SoB demand. IOW GW lacks communication with their custommers and also is too coorperate to understand hobby interactions propperly it seems leading to nice long desinvestment cycles for some factions.

tneva82 wrote:
People have complained about GW prices for minimum of 24 years(how long I have been playing GW games. Can't comment on before that).

30 years ago, 5 metal banshees cost £2.99.

Adjusting for inflation, that is £7.34 in todays money.

I don't recall £2.99 being unreasonable.

Fictional wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
People have complained about GW prices for minimum of 24 years(how long I have been playing GW games. Can't comment on before that).

30 years ago, 5 metal banshees cost £2.99.

Adjusting for inflation, that is £7.34 in todays money.

I don't recall £2.99 being unreasonable.

Hey, that metal hive tyrant was expensive at £12!
As were the epic tyranid beasts at £5 for 3 lol.

I do miss the simpler times.

I don’t miss having to hunt for specific warrior blisters though as the ones on the racks didn’t have the layout I wanted.
Ah, the fun of randomised blister packs lol.

Fictional wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
People have complained about GW prices for minimum of 24 years(how long I have been playing GW games. Can't comment on before that).

30 years ago, 5 metal banshees cost £2.99.

Adjusting for inflation, that is £7.34 in todays money.

I don't recall £2.99 being unreasonable.

Doesn't sound quite right. First ones I remember were these https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/10/howling-banshees-through-the-agesgw-homepage-post-2/ and they were in packs of three. Doesn't seem like thirty years ago either, though to be fair might be closer to thirty than to twenty five.

Fictional wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
People have complained about GW prices for minimum of 24 years(how long I have been playing GW games. Can't comment on before that).

30 years ago, 5 metal banshees cost £2.99.

Adjusting for inflation, that is £7.34 in todays money.

I don't recall £2.99 being unreasonable.

Apart from numbers being odd like JWBS said doesn't change that there was still complaining how expensive GW games are even back when I started.

Years change, complains stay.

Simple fact remains.

If you want more Eldar/Dark Eldar models, buy these.
If you are not bothered, don't.

No. Buy what you want, not whatever the company slops in front of you in vague hope the Master will let you have more.

Did people forget how to Customer?!

Cronch wrote:
No. Buy what you want, not whatever the company slops in front of you in vague hope the Master will let you have more.

Did people forget how to Customer?!

I don't think anyone's forgotten how to be a customer. but if I make a movie, a movie you claim you really want to see, but when I release it, you don't go see it and it bombs, don't expect a sequal to get made.

BrianDavion wrote:

Cronch wrote:
No. Buy what you want, not whatever the company slops in front of you in vague hope the Master will let you have more.

Did people forget how to Customer?!

I don't think anyone's forgotten how to be a customer. but if I make a movie, a movie you claim you really want to see, but when I release it, you don't go see it and it bombs, don't expect a sequal to get made.

At a certain price point wanting something can be removed from the equation.

I am not sure how much I am willing to pay, but $55/60 I think is fair for what I would be getting. Things like rules, and current faction satisfaction taken into account.

tneva82 wrote:

Fictional wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
People have complained about GW prices for minimum of 24 years(how long I have been playing GW games. Can't comment on before that).

30 years ago, 5 metal banshees cost £2.99.

Adjusting for inflation, that is £7.34 in todays money.

I don't recall £2.99 being unreasonable.

Apart from numbers being odd like JWBS said doesn't change that there was still complaining how expensive GW games are even back when I started.

Years change, complains stay.

I also notice that a lot of the "cheaper" games are often not that much different per model in price; they are just cheaper because instead of 50 models you only need 5. Or the quality might be far less (eg Kings of War are still playing catch-up).

People have always complained about GW prices. Then agian people complain about the price of everything. At some point the argument just becomes a resounding noise. It's not as if complaints on a random fan forum are going to change the prices GW sets, so many times it just becomes a beacon for general complaining that goes in circles. I've found it gets to be particularly pointless and boring because, in the end, it just ends up everyone arguing over their own justifications and price limitations. Those who are buying argue that its worth the money; those who aren't argue that it isn't. Meanwhile people complain of exchange rates as well. Sadly whilst some do have valid points, when its just being batted around its beating a horse that died and has had its ashes thrown to the wind

BrianDavion wrote:

Cronch wrote:
No. Buy what you want, not whatever the company slops in front of you in vague hope the Master will let you have more.

Did people forget how to Customer?!

I don't think anyone's forgotten how to be a customer. but if I make a movie, a movie you claim you really want to see, but when I release it, you don't go see it and it bombs, don't expect a sequal to get made.

if you make a movie I want to see, but charge me $50 to see it, don't expect many ticket sales. If you make a movie, claim it's the one i wanted, but only actually release 1/5th of it (one unit out of how many aspect warrior types?)...same.

I'd be happy to buy the new Drazhar if it looked anything like the old one, instead of a generic Incubus. I think the studio made a real mistake designing the guy in such an uninspired and boring way, and their mistakes should not be rewarded.

I'll probably end up with all the sculpts except for Jain (I have her in metal, and she doesn't really look that different in the new sculpt). Incubi and Drazar first, banshees later as I own like 15 howling banshees which is 15 more than you need for any kind of halfway decent competitive list.

50$ for 5 figures is pretty fething stupid though, especially when they have basically no weapon options at all (which is the only thing that makes that price model even semi-understandable with like the new Retributors). I'm glad AAE has made this public statement that he shall never again have a good bitch about pricing on any ork models. Bet he just loooooooooves buying up those sweet succulent mek gunz.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
This is going to be an unpopular opinion but it has to be said I think. In this thread we see Eldar players already making excuses for not buying the latest plastic aspect warrior sculpts before they are even released separately. I distinctly remember a thread whose participants all claimed that the primary reason Craftworld players did not invest in the new Banshees was because they were released in an expensive boxed set with less desirable units. Now they’re going to be released separately and it looks to me like most people here are making new excuses (largely around the price, that we don’t know yet) for why they won’t be purchasing.

It is exactly this reason that GW will take forever to update the Craftworld line. Craftworld players are proving there is no market for plastic sculpts of existing models. That is a shame.

I'm sure you'd say the exact same thing if it was about Ork releases lol.
Love to see you interacting with some lord of Maccrage relative-in-law. Genuinely love it .

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And I suspect people have been complaining about people complaining for almost as long.

Yes, H.B.M.C., people have been complaining about other people complaining for a very long time. Some of these people complaining about other people complaining have been absolutely insufferable. We absolutely are in agreement about this, and I mean it. It's extra infuriating when the people complaining are complaining for good reason, or aren't even actually complaining, just having a slightly nuanced reaction.
We should really think a lot about how annoying the people complaining about people complaining are. I'm sure you share the sentiment, HBMC.

BrianDavion wrote:
but if I make a movie, a movie you claim you really want to see, but when I release it, you don't go see it and it bombs, don't expect a sequal to get made.

If you made a movie that I really wanted to see, but you made a bad movie, so I changed my mind and decided not to watch it, you lost money, you also lost the opportunity to earn money, and all that because you are bad at your job. Meanwhile there's going to be plenty of other good movies for me to watch. So, sucks to be you.
(Generic you, not talking specifically about BrianDavion who I suspect doesn't actually make any movie)

It will be interesting to see what happens with this. It is clear that the Blood of the Pheonix boxed set was broadly a failure. It was too expensive for the contents.

The high price suggests GW were testing out how much they can sell those minis for, how much the hype and wait had impacted that.

It is possible that seeing the poor sales of that set, they might decide to set the price a bit lower, so that it sells. Though they have to be careful not to under price them relative to Blood of the Pheonix.

I doubt they will do that, but I am curious to see.

Well if people want to complain about prices before they are even known let's do it properly!

New ghaz is at least 75% overpriced. And new marine bikes need to be half price or it's total rip off! And land speeder thingie is even more ridiculously overpriced!

And whatever gets released in october 2020 is waaaaaaay overpriced! I don'' know what the price is but obviously you don't need to know that to say it's too high

So let's hear complains about every release price regardless of is price known or not

tneva82 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
Discussions and complaints about the prices are 100% justified. It's not some taboo or illegal subject to discuss and is relevant to the players of the game yes?

Would be nice if complaining would at least start once prices are known rather than day before.

It'd be nice if they released the price when they announced the things are coming out. But hold on, they're not officially announced, we've got the announcement that there's a teaser trailer due soon, before we can go and watch the real trailer (pre-order) and then finally get the proper film. GW's Erebus-tease of a pre-release schedule only breeds contempt at this point.

I can't convert prices here at the moment to properly compare with the speculation, but I've been assuming £35, same as a box of 10 Primaris, but for 5 Banshees. That's just how GW do. Anything that's not Marines gets the short end of the rules, and pay a few hundred pounds more for a similarly sized army in models too.

craggy wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
Discussions and complaints about the prices are 100% justified. It's not some taboo or illegal subject to discuss and is relevant to the players of the game yes?

Would be nice if complaining would at least start once prices are known rather than day before.

It'd be nice if they released the price when they announced the things are coming out. But hold on, they're not officially announced, we've got the announcement that there's a teaser trailer due soon, before we can go and watch the real trailer (pre-order) and then finally get the proper film. GW's Erebus-tease of a pre-release schedule only breeds contempt at this point.

I can't convert prices here at the moment to properly compare with the speculation, but I've been assuming £35, same as a box of 10 Primaris, but for 5 Banshees. That's just how GW do. Anything that's not Marines gets the short end of the rules, and pay a few hundred pounds more for a similarly sized army in models too.

You're contemptuous of them because of their hype? Hey man, I'm also a person that never buys into hype but I tend to just ignore it. I don't see any reason for hype to cause an upswell of festering hatred in anyone tbh.

craggy wrote:

I can't convert prices here at the moment to properly compare with the speculation, but I've been assuming £35, same as a box of 10 Primaris, but for 5 Banshees. That's just how GW do. Anything that's not Marines gets the short end of the rules, and pay a few hundred pounds more for a similarly sized army in models too.

Haven't seen any price leaks yet but my guess would be on par with the recent GSC prices; £25 for a box of 5 elite infantry and £17.50 for a character model.

Even assuming those conservative prices, it shows how poor value last year's boxed set was. Blood of the Phoenix was priced at 73% of RRP if bought separately, with a lot of old stuff (both Craftworld vehicles are from the 90's!). Meanwhile the new Titancius core set is priced at 56% of RRP, all with fairly new stuff.

 Da Boss wrote:
It will be interesting to see what happens with this. It is clear that the Blood of the Pheonix boxed set was broadly a failure. It was too expensive for the contents.

The high price suggests GW were testing out how much they can sell those minis for, how much the hype and wait had impacted that.

It is possible that seeing the poor sales of that set, they might decide to set the price a bit lower, so that it sells. Though they have to be careful not to under price them relative to Blood of the Pheonix.

I doubt they will do that, but I am curious to see.

I don't think they're going to particularly care about one failure out of many successes. The various 40K and AoS boxes are usually sell outs, one blip is not going to overly concern them.

JWBS wrote:

craggy wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
Discussions and complaints about the prices are 100% justified. It's not some taboo or illegal subject to discuss and is relevant to the players of the game yes?

Would be nice if complaining would at least start once prices are known rather than day before.

It'd be nice if they released the price when they announced the things are coming out. But hold on, they're not officially announced, we've got the announcement that there's a teaser trailer due soon, before we can go and watch the real trailer (pre-order) and then finally get the proper film. GW's Erebus-tease of a pre-release schedule only breeds contempt at this point.

I can't convert prices here at the moment to properly compare with the speculation, but I've been assuming £35, same as a box of 10 Primaris, but for 5 Banshees. That's just how GW do. Anything that's not Marines gets the short end of the rules, and pay a few hundred pounds more for a similarly sized army in models too.

You're contemptuous of them because of their hype? Hey man, I'm also a person that never buys into hype but I tend to just ignore it. I don't see any reason for hype to cause an upswell of festering hatred in anyone tbh.

I'm contemptous because how bad their hype is. We're talking D-tier twitchstreamer hype here.

The GW kits are indeed expensive for what they are, but I'm finding that some Eldar kits are quite good value. A box of Kabalites for £20 can provide a full unit, two small units, or using GW's example of a normal model on top of a large piece of ruin, a small unit and an Archon. The Harlequin Troupe essentially provides an HQ unit for £10 and a solid troop unit for £15, and can fill out a full 100 point Kill team. Craftworlds are definitely expensive, though. Compared to the Troupe's £25, a Farseer and some Dire Avengers(or guardians) will set one back £37.50...

That said, I've been waiting on the banshees for a while now to finish off a Kill team and a 40K command detach featuring an old Jain Zar. During a quiet month I'll then get the new sculpt.

It's really grating seeing models, hearing nothing for months, then, when they deign to release the thing we get a week or two previewing it, telling us what new or improved rules they're going to nerf in a few months once the majority have bought it. Then we get to pre-order for a week, sometimes two...maybe, depending if they've bothered to make enough of the thing that they don't sell out in minutes (I'm not worried about that here, mind) and it's only at that point we get official pricing and maybe a proper idea of the sprues.

Their "community" site, and their facebook page tell us very little specifics a lot of the time in regards pricing. Sometimes WHC will hint that a unit is pricier, or more likely less, than an existing product. The facebook page seems like it's run by bots, or at least people following a very narrow script. (When the reprinted 40k Rulebook came out, they didn't know if it was going to include any updates or errata, despite the lack of these already being called out elsewhere, and the fact that it's a bloody great book you've sent all the files for off to a printer weeks if not months ago and it'd take an email to someone in that dept 30 seconds to respond to with "nah, we just copy/pasted the last one, again." ) They're at best kept on a very tight leash (Slaanesh is that you?), at worst condescending or inept.

This is a company that's the worldwide leader in their industry. I can barely think of other products, even from small companies where pricing isn't made clear very early in the advertising announcements. To compare apples to nectarines, it's just been New York Toy Fair this weekend. Products were announced, and up for pre-order minutes later. With pricing. For months in the future, and only a few weeks away. I could go to the cinema now, and pre-order the film on DVD or digital release BEFORE I'VE SEEN IT. I don't feel it's unreasonable to expect a little more transparency, respect and accessibility from GW. I can slip and fall into buying thousands of different products from any number of companies, well in advance with, generally, a pretty solid idea of what they are, when they're coming out and how much they'll be. It's taking the p a little that we should be sitting on the edge of our seats waiting for GW to bother themselves, meanwhile being advertised at sometimes for months on end, all to spend a premium price on plastic toy soldiers.