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Also, just based on what they look like, the sulphurhound riders are using Phosphor Blast Pistol variants which are one shot, 12" range, S5 -1 1D. A pretty solid profile in general.

They are a bit different with a longer barrel than the pistol that comes in the Skitarii kit, though, so I'm guessing they will have a slightly different profile--longer range, perhaps? More shots?

"Hey, so how are we going to make this new flying infantry unit with an anti-light infantry weapon distinct from swooping hawks?"

"Uhhh I dunno, probably let's just make them exactly the same but 1 extra shot because new kit lolololol."

Flamer pteraxi and the fire breathing doglads seem extremely stronk.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Just so we're clear:
We didn't actually get "weapon profiles for all of the new units".
We got the Sulphurhound 'flamerface' for the mount(which is a Pistol flamer effectively--and they get a rule for firing Pistols even after having Advanced) and the Archeo-Revolver is specifically for the Raider Alpha. So we don't 'know' exactly what the riders for both are using.

And we got nothing on the flyers, of which we know the bomber at least has new weaponry.

TBH I kinda forgot the flyer was new as it's been so long since the first preview.

Still, I'd hate for this forum to become a warm or friendly place where minor errors are not immediately pounced on. It's good that you're here to point out that they didn't print the entire expansion book in a preview article.

Not worth it. Here, have a cool picture from the Community Page:


I know what my new avatar is going to be once I crop this thing appropriately!

 Kanluwen wrote:
We got the Sulphurhound 'flamerface' for the mount(which is a Pistol flamer effectively--and they get a rule for firing Pistols even after having Advanced)

Yeah it's a pistol alright. Except it can shoot like an assault weapon, and you can fire other weapons during a turn you use your "pistol". It ignores two of the three parts of being a pistol.
For practical purpose it's an assault weapon that can fire in close combat like pistol do ^^.


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the_scotsman wrote:
"Hey, so how are we going to make this new flying infantry unit with an anti-light infantry weapon distinct from swooping hawks?"

"Uhhh I dunno, probably let's just make them exactly the same but 1 extra shot because new kit lolololol."

Every new weapon introduced has a better profile than the classic equivalent. It can be slightly better or OMFG-IT-MAKES-NO-SENSE better like with the Kellermorph pistols compared to bolt pistols or the reaper chaincannon for CSM havocs compared to the heavy bolter.
It's pretty annoying.
And then GW layer special rules upon special rules on the classic weapons (usually on the user rather than the gun itself) to make it worthwhile.

So, who wants to bet that the rule the Sulphurhound gets to use its bad breath after it advances still doesn't work if we set BCB on the RAW?

the_scotsman wrote:
"Hey, so how are we going to make this new flying infantry unit with an anti-light infantry weapon distinct from swooping hawks?"

"Uhhh I dunno, probably let's just make them exactly the same but 1 extra shot because new kit lolololol."

Flamer pteraxi and the fire breathing doglads seem extremely stronk.

It leaves me feeling like they're going to be Hawks but better which is awful.

Goes well with the variations on 'flamers, but better' the other units seem to be packing.

And some designer's revolver fetish. Wonder if it was the same person behind the GSC Kellermorph.


Still, though, the carbine is pushing the 'more attacks' design problem of 8th edition a little too hard. Another weapon that makes me want to replace the endless dice rolls with damage tables to save time.

pm713 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
"Hey, so how are we going to make this new flying infantry unit with an anti-light infantry weapon distinct from swooping hawks?"

"Uhhh I dunno, probably let's just make them exactly the same but 1 extra shot because new kit lolololol."

Flamer pteraxi and the fire breathing doglads seem extremely stronk.

It leaves me feeling like they're going to be Hawks but better which is awful.

I feel like you guys are forgetting the fact that Hawks can drop grenades and cause MW (and strats to buff this), which is what makes them unique in comparison to this unit and equals the playing field. Also we have no idea what the price is, maybe that gun is 1pt more expensive for the extra shot who knows!!!!

I know they want to get the ad mech stuff out there because that's the model selling point... but not a single word for what's happening with Daemons so far has gotten annoying.

I want to know what kind of stuff we're getting! :(

More than likely: a couple pages of relics, traits, strats. Remember there has to be room for all the Ad Mech data sheets, relics, traits strats and separate pages of relics, traits, strats for Knights and Spiky Knights. And the rule sections of the PA books are tiny in the first place. So that doesn't leave much.

ArmchairArbiter wrote:I know they want to get the ad mech stuff out there because that's the model selling point... but not a single word for what's happening with Daemons so far has gotten annoying.

SAME.

Voss wrote:More than likely: a couple pages of relics, traits, strats.

I'm here for it! Our codex is super anemic as it is.

 Boss Salvage wrote:

ArmchairArbiter wrote:I know they want to get the ad mech stuff out there because that's the model selling point... but not a single word for what's happening with Daemons so far has gotten annoying.

SAME.

Voss wrote:More than likely: a couple pages of relics, traits, strats.

I'm here for it! Our codex is super anemic as it is.

Same, even small things like reworking the loci a little to better fit the current game, add some rules for mixed god detachments maybe, 2-3 strats and relics per god and boom, sorted.

EldarExarch wrote:

pm713 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
"Hey, so how are we going to make this new flying infantry unit with an anti-light infantry weapon distinct from swooping hawks?"

"Uhhh I dunno, probably let's just make them exactly the same but 1 extra shot because new kit lolololol."

Flamer pteraxi and the fire breathing doglads seem extremely stronk.

It leaves me feeling like they're going to be Hawks but better which is awful.

I feel like you guys are forgetting the fact that Hawks can drop grenades and cause MW (and strats to buff this), which is what makes them unique in comparison to this unit and equals the playing field. Also we have no idea what the price is, maybe that gun is 1pt more expensive for the extra shot who knows!!!!

Oh yay I have a lame and boring 1 in 6 rule.

Honestly, I'm being a bit irrational with it because even if the gun costs more I'll be annoyed because it's silly that that the big gun is outright better than the highly advanced laser weaponry.

It is worth noting that the Skystalkers seem to have grenades of some kind, and they are actually modeled on there rather than the Ruststalkers who never had them modeled.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It is worth noting that the Skystalkers seem to have grenades of some kind, and they are actually modeled on there rather than the Ruststalkers who never had them modeled.

No.. the Ruststalkers have the grenades modeled

 0XFallen wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It is worth noting that the Skystalkers seem to have grenades of some kind, and they are actually modeled on there rather than the Ruststalkers who never had them modeled.

No. the Ruststalkers have the grenades modeled.

They had the pouches that you could put on them, but GW no longer shows them on the showcase models...and it was never explicitly stated that those were the grenades. It made sense that they were meant to be(the instructions have them paired with Chordclaws and Transonic Razors), but since they're kept on the models despite no grenades existing it just means they're pouches.


Also worth noting that the product listing for the Sicarians has been changed on the US webstore. Infiltrators are no longer listed at all. There's also some items that now have specific years next to them that I don't recall having had before.
Those items are:
2017
Belisarius Cawl
Knight Crusader
Start Collecting! Skitarii
Ironstrider Ballistarius
Sydonian Dragoon
Skitarii Rangers
Skitarii Vanguard
Sicarians(Ruststalkers are the only ones listed, and they specifically have the page saying "Sicarians" in the URL for them)
Kastelan Robots
Kataphron Destroyers
Kataphron Breachers
Codex Adeptus Mechanicus and Datacards

2019
Skorpius Disintegrator
Skorpius Dunerider
Skorpius Disintegrator Spearhead Detachment

Well you show a picture of once with a pair of blades, GW doesnt seem to have a picture for the chord claw variant, the Princeps always has the claw but doesnt have room for the grenades.

Like I said, GW has never outright said the pouches are meant to be the grenades. I'd certainly agree with you that they more than likely were--but in the end they just became a cool piece that I've seen most people throw onto the models no matter what.

 ArmchairArbiter wrote:
I know they want to get the ad mech stuff out there because that's the model selling point... but not a single word for what's happening with Daemons so far has gotten annoying.

I want to know what kind of stuff we're getting! :(

Same here.

Just label the book "more admech stuff!" if that is all the book is about!

I like the actual idea of the Flechette Carbine, but without knowing how much the models are we already have Vanguard for basic anti-horde duty. HOWEVER, the Flamer + Claws might be of some value against the armies that have the -1 to hit or cover bonus outside 12". That's anti-meta in of itself, albeit mostly against Infantry.

Daemons need way more of a boost than admech do.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I like the actual idea of the Flechette Carbine, but without knowing how much the models are we already have Vanguard for basic anti-horde duty. HOWEVER, the Flamer + Claws might be of some value against the armies that have the -1 to hit or cover bonus outside 12". That's anti-meta in of itself, albeit mostly against Infantry.

They also give Ad Mech greater speed. Add in the transport, cavalry things and flyers? Looks like Ad-Mech are changing up their army style from foot sloggers.

Interest to see how that pans out.

 dan2026 wrote:
Daemons need way more of a boost than admech do.

Agreed. But they won't get much boost. Imperium must be stronger than anything else.

 p5freak wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
Daemons need way more of a boost than admech do.

Agreed. But they won't get much boost. Imperium must be stronger than anything else.

Well for most of 8th that wasnt the case, only Guard was good at the beginning, space marines, deathwatch, grey knights and Admech were bad to really bad. There is a good reason why admech is called Guard 2.0 now because all of their stuff was so nerfed in 8th edition that had to reduce the points cost of 90% of the units to 1/4

Flyer article.

That flyer is going to have so many issues if later editions ever put firing arcs back in the game. Particularly the Stratoraptor- fixed forward flamery-things and a rear mounted main gun


Wait.. Why does the lascannon have a drum magazine?

Each is equipped with nano-carbon fibre-weave in the wings, making them as fast as they are agile. Let’s take a closer look at these magnificent flying machines.

... Yep. It isn't the engines that make them go faster, its the material composition of the wings. Wonder what would happen if you painted the wings red as well?

Because.

If you want a hundred percent fluff answer, I don't think there is one outside of "it's made as a more artistic element by more skilled artisans" compared to the mass-produced box shaped batteries.

Well, it kinda is.

Come on, show us the rules!

 Kanluwen wrote:
Because.

If you want a hundred percent fluff answer, I don't think there is one outside of "it's made as a more artistic element by more skilled artisans" compared to the mass-produced box shaped batteries.

I was thinking more a mistake, and they glued a stubber bit on for the preview model, but no, the stubber has belt fed ammo out of box (which itself seems dubious for an aircraft, especially for a weapon completely out of reach of the crew)