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So the new flying mortal wound spam boys cost 15ppm and swooping hawks cost 13ppm... nice.

That's a lot to unpack. Winners to me include the Lucius Dogma and Stygies Dogma (neither of which you will really want to leave, although if the opponent has no melee then the Stygies one is slightly less useful), the exploding hits part of one of those Warlord Traits (Cawlstar back anyone?), Katas getting a 5+++ from a Warlord Trait...yep there is quite a bit.

O-m-g. Those admech rules are very good, Kataphron unit with 5+++, ballistarii with+1to wound, stratoraptor with +1 to hit. Hell's yeah.

Dude doesn’t bother to leak other stuff! Come on :(

I wanna see my Daemon stuff.

 ArmchairArbiter wrote:
Dude doesn’t bother to leak other stuff! Come on :(

I wanna see my Daemon stuff.

Check my page on FB in my sig.

I'm back on "all hail our glorious Ad Mech overlords".
This is bonkers.
A clear example of GW going "buff X, buff Y, buff Z" - won't all these buffs compound together - "uh... maybe?"

Bruh. That lord of change stuff is tasty.

It’s a shame he leaked everything other than the Sulphurhounds :(

 Virules wrote:

 ArmchairArbiter wrote:
Dude doesn’t bother to leak other stuff! Come on :(

I wanna see my Daemon stuff.

Check my page on FB in my sig.

So the Infinite Forms of Corruption stuff is nothing new?

Whoah. That's a lot of unit specific strategems. Guess gw's moving even further away from giving units abilities on the actual data sheet. No wonder 9th is expanding everyone's access to cp. If this is the direction they're going armies won't be able to function without it.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
It’s a shame he leaked everything other than the Sulphurhounds :(

Did they...

Sulphurhounds are okay, but I am loving the Raiders. That's the kind of thing I always envisioned Rough Riders bringing to the table rather than "LaNcE!!1!!".

 Brometheus wrote:
Bruh. That lord of change stuff is tasty.

Suddenly the good old 3++ doomchicken is rocking a -1 to hit or 6+ fnp, which has wierd 9th ed style (assumingly) wording.

I'm more worried about the t8 GUO tbh but the greater daemon tables are good, some of the strats are solid (wbb nurglings and instant cast on 9 horrors?!) But they still haven't addressed the core issues of the book imo, just given all units situational buffs.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
It’s a shame he leaked everything other than the Sulphurhounds :(

Did they...

Spoiler:

Sulphurhounds are okay, but I am loving the Raiders. That's the kind of thing I always envisioned Rough Riders bringing to the table rather than "LaNcE!!1!!".

Oh cool. And yeah I think I’m liking the raiders more too after looking at these dudes, though that Flamer nose is pretty sweet and the ability to advance and still shoot it all. But unfortunately I won’t be getting any of this new stuff regardless. I just can’t afford $100AUD for 3 fething models...

So, as it stands, it appears you can use the strat more than once on the same Greater Daemon. Some are also saying that you can pick the same trait more than once as a result (which i think will get faq'd quickly), but if they leave the more than once alone, for 3CP you would end up with all 6 traits....

Dudeface wrote:

 Brometheus wrote:
Bruh. That lord of change stuff is tasty.

Suddenly the good old 3++ doomchicken is rocking a -1 to hit or 6+ fnp, which has wierd 9th ed style (assumingly) wording.

I'm more worried about the t8 GUO tbh but the greater daemon tables are good, some of the strats are solid (wbb nurglings and instant cast on 9 horrors?!) But they still haven't addressed the core issues of the book imo, just given all units situational buffs.

Yeah I won't argue with any of that. I don't play Nurgle and I'd be more than happy to just play pure TS in 9th if they give me more CP for sticking to 1 book. The 7 new TS strats make them immensely better, just gotta have the CP (im not interested in spamming cheap brims to get CP)

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Whoah. That's a lot of unit specific strategems. Guess gw's moving even further away from giving units abilities on the actual data sheet. No wonder 9th is expanding everyone's access to cp. If this is the direction they're going armies won't be able to function without it.

Agree. They should just move to putting these as abilities onto datasheets with CP costs attached to them.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Whoah. That's a lot of unit specific strategems. Guess gw's moving even further away from giving units abilities on the actual data sheet. No wonder 9th is expanding everyone's access to cp. If this is the direction they're going armies won't be able to function without it.

Agree. They should just move to putting these as abilities onto datasheets with CP costs attached to them.

It would certainly make them easier to keep up with as they'd all be right there on the units data sheet instead of on separate pages (or books). Especially a 0cp strategem like the one for the Skorpius Dunerider.

Anyone else notice that there is no data cards with the preorder of the books?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/05/24/sunday-preview-new40k-and-pre-orders-are-back/

If you order either the collector’s edition or the standard hardback, we’ll even throw in a pair of datasheet cards for Syll’Esske, the Vengeful Allegiance and Shalaxi Helbane!

I'm starting to think that the leaks are all GW employes, and this is a clever tactic to promote the book, but most importantly... the new kits.

I mean look around. Outside of the leaks on reddit there's nothing else. I guess they couldnt give the usual early copies due to the pandemic, so they're doing it by themselves.

strigops wrote:
I'm starting to think that the leaks are all GW employes, and this is a clever tactic to promote the book, but most importantly... the new kits.

I mean look around. Outside of the leaks on reddit there's nothing else. I guess they couldnt give the usual early copies due to the pandemic, so they're doing it by themselves.

Well gw has long been leaking stuff(especially blurry pictures) so wouldn't surprise

Got a link to that Reddit please? I can't find it (I've never used Reddit before lol)

strigops wrote:
I'm starting to think that the leaks are all GW employes, and this is a clever tactic to promote the book, but most importantly... the new kits.

I mean look around. Outside of the leaks on reddit there's nothing else. I guess they couldnt give the usual early copies due to the pandemic, so they're doing it by themselves.

Most of it is coming from independent game stores, seemingly. One guy got not only Engine War and the new Skitarii Start Collecting--they also got Pteraxii.

GW shops don't usually get their stock until the Wednesday of the week of the release at the earliest, but usually on Thursdays(so if they were open, it wouldn't be until June 3rd or 4th).
Independents get their stuff in weird allotments depending on if it's from a 3rd party distributor or GW trade.

$100 for the Archaeopter feels a little too steep.

I was expecting it to come in at $70 to $80.

Bit bummed that aomeone clearly has the book to leak but hasn't even shown so much as a hint of the knights stuff.

Though those admech points are cheap, strategums being units specific is odd especially as one is 0CP like that has to be a first isnt it?

And yeah that demon stuff sadly looks like it either needs an FAQ or the pregame strategums are going to be limited by core rules in 9th by the look of it.

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/oiXGYJV

Chaos knight pages

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Whoah. That's a lot of unit specific strategems. Guess gw's moving even further away from giving units abilities on the actual data sheet. No wonder 9th is expanding everyone's access to cp. If this is the direction they're going armies won't be able to function without it.

Looks like a decent tactic to stop people spamming units with some loophople OP treat GW didnt think of (because GW still design rules thinking people build old FoC based on variation to take all comers and the occasional cool centerpiece unit as izing on the cake).
Actually a pretty good mechanic to try to make the game more fun rather than spam competetive.(spampetetive?)

 Fayric wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Whoah. That's a lot of unit specific strategems. Guess gw's moving even further away from giving units abilities on the actual data sheet. No wonder 9th is expanding everyone's access to cp. If this is the direction they're going armies won't be able to function without it.

Looks like a decent tactic to stop people spamming units with some loophople OP treat GW didnt think of (because GW still design rules thinking people build old FoC based on variation to take all comers and the occasional cool centerpiece unit as izing on the cake).
Actually a pretty good mechanic to try to make the game more fun rather than spam competetive.(spampetetive?)

Agreed. It makes for a nice balance of multiple units for redundancy but at the same time potentially diminishing returns rather than minmaxxing.

A warning to any fellow Chaos Daemon players who are excited about this release:

- Adds Exalted upgrade to give Greater Daemons a long-needed boost, except it costs 1 CP to pick only 1 upgrade and you can never pick the same upgrade more than once in matched play (and can't give it to named characters).
- Adds 12 new relics, except you can only ever have 1 of them in the army, it's only for an Exalted Greater Daemon, and only if your warlord is of the same Chaos god.
- Adds new stratagems, but almost all of them are terrible.
- Does not add any new army-wide rules, still only loci (which force your whole detachment to be mono-God).
- No new datasheets except those already released elsewhere previously.

In other words, same old lazy third-rate treatment from the GW Design Studio that Chaos Daemon players have been used to for all of 8th Ed.

I guess we can't all be Space Marines.

I want to say you're potentially wrong but seeing that the Chaos Knight stuff is pretty darn tame you're probably correct.

Poor chaos players. I feel somewhat insulated from the disappointing daemons rules since I also play Eldar. But all my chaos friends are pretty salty right now.

Space marines are getting their revenge for being so awful throughout the first half of 8E.