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 Graphite wrote:
Regardless of why Solo did/didn't/couldn't do as well as it might have done, and bringing the conversation into a screeching K-turn back to the subject:

I think a TV series, set after Rise of Skywalker, with Billy Dee Williams taking former-stormtrooper-who's-backstory-doesn't-make-much-sense looking for her family and telling her stories of "Back in the old days", with flashbacks to Lando played by Donald Glover, would be awesome.

Allows you to have both "ongoing plot" (BDW) and monster of the week (DG) in the same episode!

Wait. Are you proposing Star Wars: Kung Fu: The Legend Continues?

Dude, I’d watch it!

I've just watched the last episode of the Mandalorian, and I thought it would be interesting to return to the conversation about whether Jedi are well known in the galaxy or not.

This is set roughly 30 years after the jedi purge by Vader/Palpatine. He evidently has a force user with him (The Child) and he was obviously unsure what the child was doing when it saved him numerous times.

Now, the Jedi are mentioned directly and Mando has never, ever heard of them, in fact it has to be described to him that they are witches. This is also roughly 5 years after Luke started rebuilding the Jedi order which you would assume is fairly big news that would be spread via word of mouth from the rebels and further outwards... But no, he's never heard of them... Which is super interesting in itself as he would have been a foundling during the purge/end of it and he was being trained by Mandolorians, who have a chequered history with Jedi at best... Not one person training him mentioned them?

I just think it stands to reason why I'd argue it is fine for Han to not believe in the force when there are people within warrior clans that have never ever heard of Jedi at all.

Honestly that would follow through with it being longer since the purge. That's the real crux of things. Luke rebuilding the Jedi Order being almost unknown makes sense because during the 3 original films most of the Force use actually happens in private.

Luke uses it to aid in destroying the Deathstar; to escape the icecave; to duel with Vader - all those events of Force use are basically undocumented uses where only one or two people ever saw anything happen.

Vader himself in that series isn't jumping or using much force outside of strangulation and he's so much machine one might, from the outside, suppose that the Imperials have choke collars on them.



If the purge was 100 years ago or greater than it all neatly fits into place that the galaxy would have forgotten the Force at large, especially with Imperials having a long span of time to re-educate and drive out their own propaganda. Esp in a technologically advanced civilisation where they can hand wave many things as "illegal technology" and mechanical body enhancements. General Grevous duels with Jedi and he was mostly machine so clearly duelling of that calibre can be emulated by machines (though again it somewhat hits the wall that the newer films display far more competent and mobile robots than the original films)

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Graphite wrote:
Regardless of why Solo did/didn't/couldn't do as well as it might have done, and bringing the conversation into a screeching K-turn back to the subject:

I think a TV series, set after Rise of Skywalker, with Billy Dee Williams taking former-stormtrooper-who's-backstory-doesn't-make-much-sense looking for her family and telling her stories of "Back in the old days", with flashbacks to Lando played by Donald Glover, would be awesome.

Allows you to have both "ongoing plot" (BDW) and monster of the week (DG) in the same episode!

Wait. Are you proposing Star Wars: Kung Fu: The Legend Continues?

I've never heard of it, but from a brief google it appears that yes, I probably am. Possibly with bits of The Gambler.

So it’s Star Wars day and Rise of Skywalker has landed. Just finished, and I enjoyed it. Did Abrams go safe with it? Oh yes. Was the kiss at the end needed? No. Was I completely satisfied? Absolutely.
This one made the new trilogy actually FEEL like a new trilogy while wrapping it all up in a neat bow. Finn got the story that was started in the first one and he and Poe stepped up to be the heroes they stumbled at trying to be in the second. Obviously this was the strongest of the three, and as SW trilogy finales go, I think this one was the best closer. I think it’s actually my third favorite after ANH and ESB. The re-enactment with Han just felt right.
Honestly, this movie closed the Skywalker chapter better than I expected after the fan reviews I saw on here. In the whole movie, the only thing I would have changed was Ben and Rey kissing. A hug, given their time as enemies, would have been a better symbol, I think. He could have faded away in the hug as he died.

 Overread wrote:
Eh since when do games have to copy the films? Most of the SW games take some liberties and even though the Rebels couldn't take on the Imperium toe to toe there's still ample evidence that they conducted a lot of strikes and attacks and full on battles with their forces.

Copy? They don't, I'm not really sure why that's your take away, to be honest. Being vaguely true to the source material isn't about making some derogatory 'copy'

But I'm curious about your 'evidence.' Most of what I've seen suggests they don't actually do that- they do what most of the Rebels wanted to do in Rogue One and avoid space engagements at all costs. They'll take small risks, but bug out rather than fight. That doesn't make for an interesting game.

I watched Rise of Skywalker again last night, first time re-watching and I must say, I don't think it was as bad as I thought it was when I first viewed it. It's still a bit wonky, and suffers from the major cock ups made in this trilogy in general, but yeah, it's okay.

I actually thought the redemption of Kylo wasn't as ridiculous as I believed it to be when I first watched it. The conflict was always there with Kylo, it's why I sort of like the character but the change felt too sudden on my first viewing, it felt like less of a steep slope on the re-watch.

The kiss was ridiculous, totally unneeded.

However the one thing that has bugged me all of the trilogy and I still don't sort of get it, is Finn. I don't understand that character, the need for it, the intentions of the characters actions etc etc. He's just too much of a teenager and impulsive... I really think they would have been better off with just Poe, or if Finn is there he needs to be a bit more ruthless and direct.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
So it’s Star Wars day and Rise of Skywalker has landed. Just finished, and I enjoyed it. Did Abrams go safe with it? Oh yes. Was the kiss at the end needed? No. Was I completely satisfied? Absolutely.
This one made the new trilogy actually FEEL like a new trilogy while wrapping it all up in a neat bow. Finn got the story that was started in the first one and he and Poe stepped up to be the heroes they stumbled at trying to be in the second. Obviously this was the strongest of the three, and as SW trilogy finales go, I think this one was the best closer. I think it’s actually my third favorite after ANH and ESB. The re-enactment with Han just felt right.
Honestly, this movie closed the Skywalker chapter better than I expected after the fan reviews I saw on here. In the whole movie, the only thing I would have changed was Ben and Rey kissing. A hug, given their time as enemies, would have been a better symbol, I think. He could have faded away in the hug as he died.

Kiss did feel a bit odd. Not quite a chaste kiss of thanks, but thankfully not a tongue sandwich.

However, I did watch Cinema Wins’ video on YouTube last night. They suggested that being a Force Diad, there’s more to Rey and Ben’s link than us mortals can quite understand. I can accept that as head canon.

Only thing I’d have liked more of is the Free People’s Fleet. Seeing it assemble was amazing in the cinema. Not exactly ‘Thanos’ face dropping’ amazing from End Game, but stirring all the same. Knowing from that point on there’s gonna be a decent scrap.

And...we do get a pretty decent scrap. Particularly pleasing to see Wedge back (almost typed Biggs, now that would’ve been a good trick!). But I’d just like to have seen more.

My favourite bit though? Palpatine is still a liability when using Force Lightning. I mean, he was trying to get Rey to kill him, seemingly so his spirit could possess her body. Being a Dark Side ritual, and from his words, that seemed to depend on the killing coming from anger.

When he does fall? She’s just reflecting back his own energy, which consumes him, neatly echoing what Mace Windu started all those years ago.

There are also lots of little callbacks pointed out which I feel like I clocked, but didn’t process. Kylo Ren has a distinctly Han Solo side to him, such as turning to his troops and raising a finger to silence them, just as Han did to Threepio in ESB. Another is when Ben is about to take down the Knights of Ren, and just does this little shrug. That’s coming from his Dad if anywhere.

Anyways, back to the topic!


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The finale of Clone Wars.

Nothing but applause from me. There’s so much to enjoy there, despite the fact we know who survives.

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 Overread wrote:
Eh since when do games have to copy the films? Most of the SW games take some liberties and even though the Rebels couldn't take on the Imperium toe to toe there's still ample evidence that they conducted a lot of strikes and attacks and full on battles with their forces.

Copy? They don't, I'm not really sure why that's your take away, to be honest. Being vaguely true to the source material isn't about making some derogatory 'copy'

But I'm curious about your 'evidence.' Most of what I've seen suggests they don't actually do that- they do what most of the Rebels wanted to do in Rogue One and avoid space engagements at all costs. They'll take small risks, but bug out rather than fight. That doesn't make for an interesting game.

I'm thinking of strategy games like Empire at War and Battlegrouns. Both basically have the armies fighting toe to toe. Heck Battlegrounds with its expansion has every army in the entire original and prequel series fighting it out, even the Gungans get a full army you can fight against the forces of the Imperium.

Oh my the ending to The Clone Wars was fantastic.

12 episodes, right? Then I’m on the last one. Haven’t spoiled anything for myself. But I don’t mind the “filler” episodes for Ahsoka. She needed to relearn what it meant to be a proper Jedi. It was afresh journey of discovery, and she needed to reevaluate and see things from a fresh perspective. She came a long way from “Sky-guy”. I know obviously she survives, she’s in Rebels. Same with Maul. Her partner at the start of this episode though...I don’t think will be so lucky.

Nearing the end of the first season of Resistance.

Whilst I can see why others aren’t especially keen, it’s not as bad as I’d feared.

There are definitely moments (Neku is deeply irritating, and Katz is oddly incompetent for a member of the New Republic Navy - like zero disicipline), and they’re definitely distracting.

How distracting? Think Jar Jar’s incessant pratting about for the sake of pratting about.

But pushing past that, it does have some decent offerings.

I’ve got a better appreciation of the dynamic between The First Order and Resistance. And the ships of “The Aces” are a decent hark back to “Uglies” of the old EU.

That a lot of the ships and tech we see are recycled and salvaged from the detritus of both the Clone War and Galactic Civil War helps tie the eras together. I mean, that’s a lot of hardware lying around, no?

And overall, I’m always up for seeing how the little people live.

Imperfect, with some frustratingly simple to fix flaws (seriously, ditch Neku, he serves absolutely no purpose than to irritate) but quite far from awful.

Season 2 isn’t on D+ in the U.K. yet, but I understand it was an improvement?

101 Easter Eggs in The Mandalorian. Or... 101 reasons Dave Filoni needs to be involved in future movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rENp4kwryEk

This video is pretty cool. And the narrator doesn’t have a whiny condescending voice, which is pretty good going for YouTube!

Various things I knew already, some corrections to my knowledge, and some I didn’t previously know at all.

This is I think a solid explanation of why the TV offerings feel much tighter than most of the movies (all the movies). Little references and callbacks and explanations here and there all help the setting feel cohesive.

They also serve as encouragement for us to watch or rewatch the other stuff, for little throwaway lines we might’ve missed which now foreshadow future events.

Best of all? It demonstrates Dave Filoni’s skill at bringing stuff out of Legends and back to Canon, without anything feeling forced or contrived.

This is Star Wars at its best. Think back to the OT, and there were lots of at the time of throwaway references which helped paint the Galaxy as a larger place.

Sent to the spice mines of Kessel, smashed into who knows what!
Those Bounty Hunters we ran into on Ord Mantell
Years ago you served my Father during the Clone Wars
That little manoeuvre at the battle of Tanab.

Simple plot devices at the time, some of which have really grown into their own thing.

That’s what we need. More and more and more of that. Hooks and breadcrumbs. With the odd Lovely Plot Burger as a reward. Because that’s what makes the setting live and breathe. Mention it, explain it later if it proves of interest.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
101 Easter Eggs in The Mandalorian. Or... 101 reasons Dave Filoni needs to be involved in future movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rENp4kwryEk

This video is pretty cool. And the narrator doesn’t have a whiny condescending voice, which is pretty good going for YouTube!

Various things I knew already, some corrections to my knowledge, and some I didn’t previously know at all.

This is I think a solid explanation of why the TV offerings feel much tighter than most of the movies (all the movies). Little references and callbacks and explanations here and there all help the setting feel cohesive.

They also serve as encouragement for us to watch or rewatch the other stuff, for little throwaway lines we might’ve missed which now foreshadow future events.

Best of all? It demonstrates Dave Filoni’s skill at bringing stuff out of Legends and back to Canon, without anything feeling forced or contrived.

This is Star Wars at its best. Think back to the OT, and there were lots of at the time of throwaway references which helped paint the Galaxy as a larger place.

Sent to the spice mines of Kessel, smashed into who knows what!
Those Bounty Hunters we ran into on Ord Mantell
Years ago you served my Father during the Clone Wars
That little manoeuvre at the battle of Tanab.

Simple plot devices at the time, some of which have really grown into their own thing.

That’s what we need. More and more and more of that. Hooks and breadcrumbs. With the odd Lovely Plot Burger as a reward. Because that’s what makes the setting live and breathe. Mention it, explain it later if it proves of interest.

Cool, thanks for the link!

And absolutely, Dave Filoni should have been in charge from the very beginning. Imagine how different things might have been...

I mean, he managed to make look dangerous and menacing. This is a small but significant detail to me.

I’m not even meaning a movie based on specific, historical events.

Just little call backs here and there in the background. We don’t necessarily need ‘Rishi Maze, a Star Wars Story’. Just the odd reference here and there. Get those mentions in, link it altogether.

As stated, I like the sequels, but on reflection they really only referred to the other movies. Sure, Rise of Skywalker features more ships than we can shake a stick at - but needed just a bit more. Get those narrative stitches nice and seamless.

Solo actually does this pretty well, especially now we have S7 of Clone Wars, and more on Crimson Dawn. Gimme a follow up on that, and I’ll be a happy chappy.

What about a series following Qi’ra, starting from the end of Solo?

That could be a cool way to explore the Underworld more.

With Maul running things, he’s not of the most interest overall. But perhaps a Charlie’s Angels type affair, where Qi’ra issues the orders, and we get to follow the criminals themselves?

Now you’re talking! Yes that sounds good to me. I actually imagined Maul issuing the orders and Qi’ra, although a boss, is still closer to the action. But plenty of opportunity to explore the criminal underworld in the age of the empire.

Remind me, whatever happened to Cad Bane in the end? Could he be in it?

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Now you’re talking! Yes that sounds good to me. I actually imagined Maul issuing the orders and Qi’ra, although a boss, is still closer to the action. But plenty of opportunity to explore the criminal underworld in the age of the empire.

Remind me, whatever happened to Cad Bane in the end? Could he be in it?

Unfortunately, given the shorter episode count of Clone Wars S7, they weren't able to include the incomplete episode that followed Boba and Cad Bane's final duel where Bane dies and Boba's helmet get it's trademark scorch mark courtesy of Bane's blaster. So I'm not sure if it's canon given that it was never officially released, so it's possible they could re-introduce him in a limited capacity or have him die in this follow-up instead.

Something like that would be great. He deserves a good send off on account of being (imo) a really cool character; Star Wars’s answer to Lee Van Cleef.

Also, had a discussion today; think Disney will make anything set in the Old Republic era or even earlier? And if so, could this be a chance to play around with the concepts of the franchise? Or is that sacrilege?

Solar sails...no shields...bullet weapons?! Too much?

Well, there was mention they were exploring it, but that was before they announced the Republic cross-media thing. So who knows.

Also, I’d be surprised if they were simply ignoring it wholesale. Whilst not something I’m familiar with, it’s certainly a popular era, no doubt about that.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Something like that would be great. He deserves a good send off on account of being (imo) a really cool character; Star Wars’s answer to Lee Van Cleef.

Also, had a discussion today; think Disney will make anything set in the Old Republic era or even earlier? And if so, could this be a chance to play around with the concepts of the franchise? Or is that sacrilege?

Solar sails...no shields...bullet weapons?! Too much?

I honestly dont know what they have not.
Alot of recent Star Wars is built around fan pandering. That is why the Mandolorian exists and why Maul and Ahsoka are going to be in it. Why Gideon has you know what at the end.
Disney Star Wars is built around fan pandering.
And fans love TOR more than they love Leia in a Metal Bikini.

Wait, isn’t Mandalorian AFTER RotJ? Maul dies in canon during season 3 of Rebels, on Tatooine. Before Obi Wan meets up w/Luke in SW (ANH).

Edit: I just finished Rebels, and i was happy/surprised to find out Ahsoka could easily show up in Mandalorian. Also very happy to see that Rex, of all the clones, survived and helped at Endor. I knew the Ghost had been digitally added into newest printings of the movie (read that somewhere, hadn’t noticed for myself), but glad to see Rex survived intact from Order 66 and everything that came after. Show started off childish (like Clone Wars movie), but really grew into itself. Enjoyed it thoroughly.

I might have jumped the gun thereor something.
I remember hearing about maul in the Mandalorian or something.
Looking it up, its just the actor posting a tweet saying "This is the way" and posting the sith icon and speculation ran wild.

I’m watching rogue one right now. I think I see what you mean; it’s nearly an hour in and it’s only just starting to get ‘to the point’. But I can forgive this, because once it picks up it really picks up.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

However the one thing that has bugged me all of the trilogy and I still don't sort of get it, is Finn. I don't understand that character, the need for it, the intentions of the characters actions etc etc. He's just too much of a teenager and impulsive... I really think they would have been better off with just Poe, or if Finn is there he needs to be a bit more ruthless and direct.

Poe wasn't supposed to survive the TIE crash at the beginning of Ep7, but when they realized how good Oscar Isaac was, they wrote him back in.

I think Colin Trevorrow's script has potential to use the character significantly better than what we got. Finn was basically going to lead a populist uprising on Coruscant which would have given a lot of room to take his "afraid to fight" arc to a place where he finds the need to stand against tyranny.

Finns character would have been better in a TV show.
Him being a former child soldier/brain washed trying to break free would have suited more in The Mandolorian.
Not the more child friendly sequel trilogy where they cant get into that idea

My biggest thing is the Kylo Ren/Rey getting together, I hate toxic relationships getting together like that
Kylo is a toxic man child who didnt deserve to get redeemed.

Actually, there is something else that bugs me in the new trilogy, and it bugs me a lot, just as much as weaponising hyperspace jumps.

The apparition abilities, Luke being able to fight at a great distance away, teleporting lightsabers to each other etc etc. It’s too out there and powerful, and unless it was used in the EU somewhere before, it was made up for the new movies. If it was such a viable technique, Jedi and Sith would not need to spend time travelling to planets... It was just a ‘duh, this would be cool’ thinking that’s just ruins the established law. Really annoying.

Except Force Users are of varying power and ability, depending upon their connection to The Force.

Luke was super powerful. This much is known. He also spent longer learning from the Jedi Texts, and not a Master. So it’s entirely possible he was able to develop powers previously forgotten or become mythical to the Jedi Order.