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I've still yet to see a new edition rumor with any evidence more credible than "it feels like it's time," but if we do get one, I expect the changes to be minor. As far as this release goes, my only issue is I was hoping to take a break from painting when I finish my AoS Tzeentch force. At least Necrons are comparatively easy to paint.

 EnTyme wrote:
I've still yet to see a new edition rumor with any evidence more credible than "it feels like it's time," but if we do get one, I expect the changes to be minor. As far as this release goes, my only issue is I was hoping to take a break from painting when I finish my AoS Tzeentch force. At least Necrons are comparatively easy to paint.

Yeah, I'm not buying it. Everything I've seen and heard has been pure speculation.

Here is something I AM wondering about though. Is this Return of the SK a book of its own, not related to PA? Or is it just the name of a new group of models (or single mode) being released?

Well regardless of of how things shake out with 9th....I'm pumped for The Silent King Model and rules. I pretty much find every other Xenos race corny. Necrons are the only non-imperium army I'd ever consider collecting and I probably will start to on the back of this news.

Yeah, the the thing is is 9e is just a slightly improved version of 8e good ol' gw will demand you buy a whole new rulebook (probably 60$ minimum) plus a new series of codexes.

Not doing it.

 Ouze wrote:
I have modded every single necron vehicle I have done to remove the cockpit. A machine doesn't need another machine in it.

Spoiler:

I have posted the stl for my cockpit cover on Thingiverse if anyone would like to print their own. It's not a perfect fit and will need some greenstuff blending.

Spoiler:

I truly hope any new vehicles remove the inspid cockpits.

I also hope for better flayed ones - great concept with bad models - and for, finally, warriors that do not have the heads attached to the sprue by the cheeks.

Thanks for sharing! I’ve saved this in case I decide to take the plunge on Necrons. I’m waiting to see what the end of the month holds, but at least I know my planes will look super cool!!

Sisters new codex and models came out along faith and fury. Admech is getting a bunch of new models with engine war.
Could be that necrons are doing the same with Pariah?

Maybe, but I honestly doubt it.

Both Sisters and Ad Mech had big previews and a string of previews going on for months. We just got the... third? fourth? preview just for the Ad Mech cavalry today.

If there was a significant Necron release beyond Szeras, I would have expected some of it alongside him in the mid-April preview (Preview 3, the Revenge of Previews) for...whenever that release is going to happen. Or at least hints of it.

I suspect Pariah will match the other PA books and just have an empty character face-off.

Voss wrote:
If there was a significant Necron release beyond Szeras, I would have expected some of it alongside him in the mid-April preview (Preview 3, the Revenge of Previews) for...whenever that release is going to happen. Or at least hints of it.

I suspect Pariah will match the other PA books and just have an empty character face-off.

I think well find out on the 23rd.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Maybe there’s something in the “Tyranids being chased and fleeing something” theory and that’s the SK and whatever he has.

Spikeybits had this bat crazy post up about how the Silent King created the Tyranids. I'm sure the story involves them (they are an extra-galactic race after all) but no, hard no. Necron lore has had enough drama.

MiguelFelstone wrote:

Voss wrote:
If there was a significant Necron release beyond Szeras, I would have expected some of it alongside him in the mid-April preview (Preview 3, the Revenge of Previews) for...whenever that release is going to happen. Or at least hints of it.

I suspect Pariah will match the other PA books and just have an empty character face-off.

I think well find out on the 23rd.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Maybe there’s something in the “Tyranids being chased and fleeing something” theory and that’s the SK and whatever he has.

Spikeybits had this bat crazy post up about how the Silent King created the Tyranids. I'm sure the story involves them (they are an extra-galactic race after all) but no, hard no. Necron lore has had enough drama.

At the very least I hope the Silent King coming back means that they make Triarch stuff worth considering more rules-wise, even moreso if they include new models. Not having a dynasty-trait in return for ignoring morale is pretty lacklustre for the supposed elite/followers of the head honcho.

Also, yeah, ideally they don't involve the Tyranids too much regarding The Silent King and it focuses more on how his return impacts the current active dynasties.

MiguelFelstone wrote:

Voss wrote:
If there was a significant Necron release beyond Szeras, I would have expected some of it alongside him in the mid-April preview (Preview 3, the Revenge of Previews) for...whenever that release is going to happen. Or at least hints of it.

I suspect Pariah will match the other PA books and just have an empty character face-off.

I think well find out on the 23rd.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Maybe there’s something in the “Tyranids being chased and fleeing something” theory and that’s the SK and whatever he has.

Spikeybits had this bat crazy post up about how the Silent King created the Tyranids. I'm sure the story involves them (they are an extra-galactic race after all) but no, hard no. Necron lore has had enough drama.

Way back in 3rd edition there was the crazy theory that The Outsider (the crazy C'tan), which fled from the all the goings on left the galaxy and made the Tyranids as the ultimate weapon to spite the other C'tan... however in it's madness it made the Tyranids a bit too powerful and lost control of them. There was also the theory that the Tyranids were made by the last of the Old Ones, as a way to wipe the galaxy clean and start again. Hence why they can blot out the Warp... the Old Ones learnt from that mistake.

Tyranids and Necron have for the fans always been seen as having a deeper connection.

 Aenar wrote:

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 Grimtuff wrote:

 Aenar wrote:

 Moscha wrote:
For a Non-40k-Player: How has 8th edition been around?

2 Years? And again a new edition of the rules???

June 2012: 6th ed
May 2014: 7th ed
June 2017: 8th ed

8th has been around for three years now, and previous editions lasted for a maximum of three years as well.
Even if there were no rumours about a new edition coming this summer (and we had them for some time now), I'd definitely have expected the 9th ed to be released.

Except they didn't...

Rogue Trader 1987-1993. 7 years.
2nd ed. 1993 to 1998. 6 years
3rd ed. 1998 to 2004. 6 years
4th ed. 2004 to 2008. 5 years.
5th ed. 2008 to 2012. 5 years.

6th is the outlier, being such a catastrophic failure GW decided they wanted to double down with the stupid instead of fixing the edition and released 7th barely 2 years later.

It makes little sense to compare older editions with newer ones, as the top management and most of the game designers changed over time.

Then maybe say recent editions rather than previous editions, otherwise you'll get fact-checked - I was going to do so myself, but Grim got here before me.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Aenar wrote:

Spoiler:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Aenar wrote:

 Moscha wrote:
For a Non-40k-Player: How has 8th edition been around?

2 Years? And again a new edition of the rules???

June 2012: 6th ed
May 2014: 7th ed
June 2017: 8th ed

8th has been around for three years now, and previous editions lasted for a maximum of three years as well.
Even if there were no rumours about a new edition coming this summer (and we had them for some time now), I'd definitely have expected the 9th ed to be released.

Except they didn't...

Rogue Trader 1987-1993. 7 years.
2nd ed. 1993 to 1998. 6 years
3rd ed. 1998 to 2004. 6 years
4th ed. 2004 to 2008. 5 years.
5th ed. 2008 to 2012. 5 years.

6th is the outlier, being such a catastrophic failure GW decided they wanted to double down with the stupid instead of fixing the edition and released 7th barely 2 years later.

It makes little sense to compare older editions with newer ones, as the top management and most of the game designers changed over time.

Then maybe say recent editions rather than previous editions, otherwise you'll get fact-checked - I was going to do so myself, but Grim got here before me.

That’s a perfectly valid use of “previous” with a full outlining of examples given. If you’re just going to nitpick without engaging with the actual point being made it’s better to stay clear of the conversation honestly.

changemod wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Aenar wrote:

Spoiler:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Aenar wrote:

 Moscha wrote:
For a Non-40k-Player: How has 8th edition been around?

2 Years? And again a new edition of the rules???

June 2012: 6th ed
May 2014: 7th ed
June 2017: 8th ed

8th has been around for three years now, and previous editions lasted for a maximum of three years as well.
Even if there were no rumours about a new edition coming this summer (and we had them for some time now), I'd definitely have expected the 9th ed to be released.

Except they didn't...

Rogue Trader 1987-1993. 7 years.
2nd ed. 1993 to 1998. 6 years
3rd ed. 1998 to 2004. 6 years
4th ed. 2004 to 2008. 5 years.
5th ed. 2008 to 2012. 5 years.

6th is the outlier, being such a catastrophic failure GW decided they wanted to double down with the stupid instead of fixing the edition and released 7th barely 2 years later.

It makes little sense to compare older editions with newer ones, as the top management and most of the game designers changed over time.

Then maybe say recent editions rather than previous editions, otherwise you'll get fact-checked - I was going to do so myself, but Grim got here before me.

That’s a perfectly valid use of “previous” with a full outlining of examples given. If you’re just going to nitpick without engaging with the actual point being made it’s better to stay clear of the conversation honestly.

But is it really valid when you only include the examples which support your viewpoint? Looking at 6/7/8th edition to form a trend is missing over half the editions of the game - and as soon as you include 5th, the claim of "...and previous editions lasted for a maximum of three years..." breaks down as we run into an edition that ran for four years.

Either way, thinking about it, I'm not sure that talking about a new edition of the game is necessarily in keeping with a discussion of the announcement that there will be an announcement presumably to do with the Silent King on the 23rd...

I don't know why everyone assumes there will be a model for the silent king. There hasn't been any evidence of a model yet. No preview, no glimpse. Could be that his return is just fluff based with no model or rules.

I think it's hilarious that the community whips themselves up into a frenzy about 9th edition, with no compelling evidence. Then everyone will piss and moan if their assumptions are wrong.

Do I hope we get a silent king model? Sure. Do I hope we have a new codex on the way very soon? Absolutely. Have I seen any evidence, beyond broad speculation, of either? No.

I don't mind speculation, but I hate when people assume it to be fact. Then they blame GW for their disappointment.

I'm curious about what a pariah unit might look like now. If I remember right, they used to have a negative, though negligible effect on psykers. Didn't they?

I thought it was interesting that the weapon on the new Szeras model resembles the old pariah weapons slightly. Maybe an indicator? Maybe nothing? I just hope if there are pariahs coming, they have more to offer than an area effect like Szeras has.

Dammit, If 9th edition is coming soon, then it makes no sense for me to get the 8E rules and an 8E codex for Chaos.

 Conservative Heretic wrote:
Dammit, If 9th edition is coming soon, then it makes no sense for me to get the 8E rules and an 8E codex for Chaos.

I guess that depends on how much you use it between now and then. Remember, 9th edition is just a rumor. Considering that PA hasn't even finished releasing, I think there will be AT LEAST 4 or 5 months before 9th could happen. How much would you play between now and then? Is it worth it to you?

Personally, I don't buy any of these 9th edition rumors so I would say buy it, enjoy it. You'll be supporting a company that does something you like.

I could be completely 100% wrong though. Worst case, you didn't get quite as much use out of the rule books. That wouldn't be a huge problem for me, but I don't know your circumstances/situation/perspective.

 Conservative Heretic wrote:
Dammit, If 9th edition is coming soon, then it makes no sense for me to get the 8E rules and an 8E codex for Chaos.

If/when it happens, 9th will be closer to being an 8.5, all the books will be compatible.

punisher357 wrote:
I don't know why everyone assumes there will be a model for the silent king. There hasn't been any evidence of a model yet. No preview, no glimpse. Could be that his return is just fluff based with no model or rules.

Pretty sure they have already said they are giving us a sneak peak at the models rules on the 23rd.

MiguelFelstone wrote:

punisher357 wrote:
I don't know why everyone assumes there will be a model for the silent king. There hasn't been any evidence of a model yet. No preview, no glimpse. Could be that his return is just fluff based with no model or rules.

Pretty sure they have already said they are giving us a sneak peak at the models rules on the 23rd.

No, they dont. No mention of a new model, or new rules.

I thought it was *completely confirmed* that we're getting 9th edition on the 23rd with the Necrons being the new big bad led by the Silent King and getting a full range refresh.

If it's not that, I'm going to get really steamed on internet forums. Talkin' really cheesed off. GW *promised* us.

Maybe the Silent King just returns...some video tapes.

The overdue fees might be a bit much though.

punisher357 wrote:I don't know why everyone assumes there will be a model for the silent king. There hasn't been any evidence of a model yet. No preview, no glimpse. Could be that his return is just fluff based with no model or rules.

I think it's hilarious that the community whips themselves up into a frenzy about 9th edition, with no compelling evidence. Then everyone will piss and moan if their assumptions are wrong.

You could be right. However, the silent king has been back 'in the fluff' for a while. Also, when was the last time GW did a teaser like this for something like a fluff update? They don't even really do things like this for BL novels!

I can't see GW wanting to sell a 9th age until people can - you know - play games. Right now even GW stores can't play games the world over - even in regions that have relaxed some lockdown measures.

It's hard to push the sales of a rules system for a tabletop game if you can't actually meet up and play with that rules system.

punisher357 wrote:
I don't know why everyone assumes there will be a model for the silent king. There hasn't been any evidence of a model yet. No preview, no glimpse. Could be that his return is just fluff based with no model or rules.

I think it's hilarious that the community whips themselves up into a frenzy about 9th edition, with no compelling evidence. Then everyone will piss and moan if their assumptions are wrong.

Do I hope we get a silent king model? Sure. Do I hope we have a new codex on the way very soon? Absolutely. Have I seen any evidence, beyond broad speculation, of either? No.

I don't mind speculation, but I hate when people assume it to be fact. Then they blame GW for their disappointment.

I'm curious about what a pariah unit might look like now. If I remember right, they used to have a negative, though negligible effect on psykers. Didn't they?

I thought it was interesting that the weapon on the new Szeras model resembles the old pariah weapons slightly. Maybe an indicator? Maybe nothing? I just hope if there are pariahs coming, they have more to offer than an area effect like Szeras has.

Evidence isn't the same thing as proof. We do have evidence he's getting a model. It's the video dropped by the miniatures company telling us a figure already returned in the lore is coming back.

Necron Warriors look fine to me. Put them on 32mm bases and paint the rods, and they are perfectly good. Samey poses are fine because they are more or less mindless peons who just go where their Overlord wills them to go.



Now, rules-wise they are pretty useless, there is no real reason to take them as Tesla Immortals are better in every way.

Necrons need better rules, not better models, except possibly for Flayed Ones, who need both.

A nice alternate Lord sculpt would be nice though, even if they are fairly easy to kitbash out of Lychguard. So yeah, let's have another Space Marine Lieutenant instead.

 Conservative Heretic wrote:
Dammit, If 9th edition is coming soon, then it makes no sense for me to get the 8E rules and an 8E codex for Chaos.

people have been predicting 9th edition since 8th edition launched.

 Oguhmek wrote:
Necron Warriors look fine to me. Put them on 32mm bases and paint the rods, and they are perfectly good. Samey poses are fine because they are more or less mindless peons who just go where their Overlord wills them to go.



Now, rules-wise they are pretty useless, there is no real reason to take them as Tesla Immortals are better in every way.

Necrons need better rules, not better models, except possibly for Flayed Ones, who need both.

A nice alternate Lord sculpt would be nice though, even if they are fairly easy to kitbash out of Lychguard. So yeah, let's have another Space Marine Lieutenant instead.

Something I always wonder is when people make statements and say "No reason to ever take these, X is better by all accounts." Why? Does every game have to be between min/max armies with the game being decided by the alpha strike or the end of turn two by tabling?

Most of the best games of 8th i have played have been using the so-called "trash units" people always complain about. When I stopped fighting other min/max players and found the people who just want to throw their models on the table, 8th Ed 40K is a completely different game. Me thinks it's the min/max mindset that hurts the game, not the rules as written. Try it out sometime, get a friend, build a "for fun" list with no stratagem in mind. It's light years better.

Also, nice looking Necrons. I really like the colors you have. Superb job.

Except you don't need rules period if you're saying to just throw models on the table.

 Togusa wrote:
Something I always wonder is when people make statements and say "No reason to ever take these, X is better by all accounts." Why? Does every game have to be between min/max armies with the game being decided by the alpha strike or the end of turn two by tabling?

No, but when you're playing the worst faction in the game from a table top point of view you need every advantage you can get, and running sub-par units in a faction that was already sub-par to begin with is handicapping yourself even further.

 Oguhmek wrote:
Necron Warriors look fine to me. Put them on 32mm bases and paint the rods, and they are perfectly good. Samey poses are fine because they are more or less mindless peons who just go where their Overlord wills them to go.



Now, rules-wise they are pretty useless, there is no real reason to take them as Tesla Immortals are better in every way.

Necrons need better rules, not better models, except possibly for Flayed Ones, who need both.

A nice alternate Lord sculpt would be nice though, even if they are fairly easy to kitbash out of Lychguard. So yeah, let's have another Space Marine Lieutenant instead.

If Necrons are getting new models as part of a new edition launch, they're getting a new codex too.