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2020/06/27 18:18:57
Subject: Re:40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
BrianDavion wrote: meanwhile you'll never see gulliman, he's not worth 3 CPs when you can get Calgar and have near the same performance
not to mention he grants an additional 2CP as warlord ontop of free detachment vrs G'man giving 3 but costing 3CP or more.
exactly. Gulliman is under these rules crap. why is the master of logistics hurting your logistics by simply being present?
He has been bad since codex 2.0 but that's never been a thing as 2.0 codex is so OP no-one noticed.
I'm just praying GW haven't missed the point with these changes as so far it looks like taking knights with Allies is less CP than actually adding in a in codex LoW.
It also goes against what Stu said about adding a Knight to admech costing 1-2CP.
At this point I really do hope they have added a CP cost to additional codex's.
2020/06/27 19:17:09
Subject: Re:40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
Dark Eldar are not getting an immediate Codex like Necrons so its sadly unlikely till that happens
Given that every DE codex since 5th has added nothing and just torn out a bunch of pages, I can't say the prospect of a new codex would have me particularly hyped even if we were first.
The 3 in one Dark Eldar Codex is an interesting idea with some bad implemtation - if they had been Marines each would have its own Codex
That's the issue, though - there just isn't enough in our subfactions to fill individual codices. Hell, even combined there's barely enough for a single codex.
Not really. It's much more akin to the Dark Angels and how they have Greenwing, Deathwing and Ravenwing. Basically all three should be field-able as a single army without penalty but also have the ability to be taken En mass as their individual branch. What screws the Dark Eldar over currently is being penalized if I want to take a single detachment and play with all the units in my book, heck even with just 2/3 of the book. I think the idea would have been more sound had the army been more fleshed out, but having only a single HQ and troop slot or missing FA/Elite/Heavy in some combo for each just makes it odd. Space marines would actually have been the perfect codex to try something like that with their 75-100 entries or what ever absurdity it has ballooned to. Not that I advocate that.
Yeah, I think if they'd just given us the 3-patrols thing as a bonus rule, but without actually splitting up our army, it would have been fine.
I could be wrong but it seems like the concept was loosely based on the Coterie system 7th edition Corsairs used, where you could split the army into a number of tiny, patrol-like detachments.
However, there were some key differences with regard to how the system was implemented with Corsairs:
- The book wasn't split into different units, so you were free to mix and match.
- They had vastly more units to choose from in general (so you didn't generally end up with the DE situation of "which troop choice should I pick for my Kabal detachment - Kabalite Warriors or Kabalite Warriors?" or "Which Heavy Support should I pick for my Cult detachment? Silly question - there aren't any!").
- They also had vastly more customisation available to individual units, including the option of Jet Packs for every single infantry unit. - They had some very cheap HQs, so you weren't paying a huge tax for fielding several such detachments. The cheapest DEHQ is 50pts base, and until the most recent point changes the others were both 70+pts. Meanwhile, Corsairs had an HQ that was just 35pts.
- The army was themed around a central HQ (the Corsair Prince), who basically had his own special detachment that meant he could buff all the others. Compare that with the Archon - supposedly the overall leader but stuck only being able to buff Kabal units.
It just seemed that GW tried to apply that to DE, without having any clue why it actually worked for Corsairs.
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Argive wrote: GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
2020/06/27 20:05:44
Subject: Re:40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
Oh, look, the stratagem for deep striking a stompa just went up to minimum investment of 11 CP
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
2020/06/27 23:09:50
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
Jidmah wrote: Oh, look, the stratagem for deep striking a stompa just went up to minimum investment of 11 CP
If it's just one Gargant you could take the SHA detachment yeah? It has no restrictions on Titanic as a cost, just that you can only bring one LoW and it costs 3 CP.
PourSpelur wrote: It's fully within the rules for me to look up your Facebook page, find out your dear Mother Gladys is single, take her on a lovely date, and tell you all the details of our hot, sweaty, animal sex during your psychic phase.
I mean, fifty bucks is on the line.
There's no rule that says I can't.
Nope. The specialist detachment can only be used with a Super-Heavy Detachment, which will now cost 6CP if it has a stompa in it.
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
2020/06/27 23:54:33
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
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2020/06/28 00:22:42
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
Jidmah wrote: Nope. The specialist detachment can only be used with a Super-Heavy Detachment, which will now cost 6CP if it has a stompa in it.
I'll be honest, I'm not up and up on the Ork build or anything for DS Gargant.
The tellyporta or whatever it is strat is part of a Specialist Detchament?
Couldn't you, in the new system, just bring a SHA and then put the Gartgant into Strategic reserves now (via strat)? Wouldn't that be mildly better? Probably also wont cost as many CP.
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PourSpelur wrote: It's fully within the rules for me to look up your Facebook page, find out your dear Mother Gladys is single, take her on a lovely date, and tell you all the details of our hot, sweaty, animal sex during your psychic phase.
I mean, fifty bucks is on the line.
There's no rule that says I can't.
Jidmah wrote: Nope. The specialist detachment can only be used with a Super-Heavy Detachment, which will now cost 6CP if it has a stompa in it.
I'll be honest, I'm not up and up on the Ork build or anything for DS Gargant.
The tellyporta or whatever it is strat is part of a Specialist Detchament?
Couldn't you, in the new system, just bring a SHA and then put the Gartgant into Strategic reserves now (via strat)? Wouldn't that be mildly better? Probably also wont cost as many CP.
Outflanking Stompa is OP.
2020/06/28 03:52:30
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
xeen wrote: Basically a 3 CP tax for me to bring Magnus. But that could be fair depending on how thins shake up. I was expecting this but can’t use WL to mitigate.
Previously -- Magnus plus a battalion got us 8 CP. Now Magnus in reserves leaves us with 6 CP and another 6 over the game. I imagine it could still be favorable since reserves will extend the number of viable turns.
I think the Outriders might come down to the gun they have on the front of that bike. Some have been saying that it looks like it could be something like the Inceptor's Assault Bolters.
2020/06/28 06:10:10
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
ClockworkZion wrote: I think the Outriders might come down to the gun they have on the front of that bike. Some have been saying that it looks like it could be something like the Inceptor's Assault Bolters.
Meh. It's either 3 AP4 AP0 or 2 S4 AP1 plus a heavy bolt pistol.
2020/06/28 06:11:16
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
The faction focus for knights didn't reveal anything that seemed to benefit knights at all. So, in shooting, they got nerfed, cos everyone can see them, but they can't see and shoot units hiding behind oscurring terrain.
Command points wise, it costs 6 CP to bring a detachment of 3 knights.
And thats it. Nothing else was revealed about any rules that have changed for knights, other than that we can put them in strategic reserves, which we can do so for any unit if we want to, so its not like its specific to knights.
2020/06/28 06:14:29
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
They specifically say in the article their refund benefit will be revealed in the Chaos Knight Focus.
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2020/06/28 06:21:16
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
Eldenfirefly wrote: The faction focus for knights didn't reveal anything that seemed to benefit knights at all. So, in shooting, they got nerfed, cos everyone can see them, but they can't see and shoot units hiding behind oscurring terrain.
Command points wise, it costs 6 CP to bring a detachment of 3 knights.
And thats it. Nothing else was revealed about any rules that have changed for knights, other than that we can put them in strategic reserves, which we can do so for any unit if we want to, so its not like its specific to knights.
If you look at the footnotes they mention Knights will have a way to get that CP back, but they aren't showing us until Sunday when the Chaos Knight article goes live.
2020/06/28 06:23:26
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
xeen wrote: Basically a 3 CP tax for me to bring Magnus. But that could be fair depending on how thins shake up. I was expecting this but can’t use WL to mitigate.
Previously -- Magnus plus a battalion got us 8 CP. Now Magnus in reserves leaves us with 6 CP and another 6 over the game. I imagine it could still be favorable since reserves will extend the number of viable turns.
So I just spotted a rumor that has it the Outriders are 6PL, so about 40-45ppm.
Yep, that was my guess.
if that's the case they'll be almost autotake good
How do you figure? They're twice an Intercessor and twice (or more) the cost.
Since when did your intercessors have a 14 inch move a fixed 6 inch advance move and get to shoot as if they remained stationary always because bolter disipline. These lads have a 44 inch threat range on their shooting, a 20 inch charge range reliably.
And freedome to choose chapter tactics to buff this further.
Terrain rules becoming more interactive should also help with the issue bikers had in 8th of not interacting with ruins.
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2020/06/28 06:28:49
Subject: 40k preview, May 23 - 9th edition, new Necrons, Marines
xeen wrote: Basically a 3 CP tax for me to bring Magnus. But that could be fair depending on how thins shake up. I was expecting this but can’t use WL to mitigate.
Previously -- Magnus plus a battalion got us 8 CP. Now Magnus in reserves leaves us with 6 CP and another 6 over the game. I imagine it could still be favorable since reserves will extend the number of viable turns.
So I just spotted a rumor that has it the Outriders are 6PL, so about 40-45ppm.
Yep, that was my guess.
if that's the case they'll be almost autotake good
How do you figure? They're twice an Intercessor and twice (or more) the cost.
Since when did your intercessors have a 14 inch move a fixed 6 inch advance move and get to shoot as if they remained stationary always because bolter disipline. These lads have a 44 inch threat range on their shooting, a 20 inch charge range reliably.
And freedome to choose chapter tactics to buff this further.
Terrain rules becoming more interactive should also help with the issue bikers had in 8th of not interacting with ruins.
At 120+ points for a total of 12 wounds of Marine, even if they can't interact with ruins, they still have plenty of use thanks to their mobility in the new edition based on what GW has shown us about the missions.
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