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 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Leth wrote:
Good,

Also these chapter tactics copied from the reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/hxmozp/new_sm_codex_coming_in_october_2020_with_updated/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

So, does this not mean BA, DA, SW and DW loose access to all their unique units (e.g. Grey Hunters) until the supplement is released?

Those units are oldmarines and likely going to Legend sooner than later, so I expect that yes, they do.

 kodos wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Leth wrote:
Good,

Also these chapter tactics copied from the reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/hxmozp/new_sm_codex_coming_in_october_2020_with_updated/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

So, does this not mean BA, DA, SW and DW loose access to all their unique units (e.g. Grey Hunters) until the supplement is released?

yes, as the Codex is replaced with a new one they only have what is coming with that until the Supplement is released or GW keeps them via FAQ

Which is another reason they should release all the supplements at the same time as the codex.

Sorry if this have already been asked and or answered but does this meen that DW are finaly geting phobos units?

dogfender wrote:
Definitely a mistake to make the books available in October instead of right now.
People won’t be building armies with defunct books or possibly buying things knowing now that there is a new book months away and things will potentially change.
I understand The pandemic changes things. But they really should have pushed for all this to be launched at once.

I don't recall single edition where even 1 let alone 2 codex was released same time as edition.

Gw doesn't overload 1 week.

Gaen wrote:
Sorry if this have already been asked and or answered but does this meen that DW are finaly geting phobos units?

Maybe?

If I had to guess, they might get access to units but not the ability to field them as part of Kill Teams.

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
So if SM and Necrons aren't coming till October, what's GW doing for the next 2 months? I guess trickling out the new models before their rules release? Or just a lot of AoS?

New elves gets week or two in september. Giants come some time. Some lotr. Actual starter set for 40k.

Dudeface wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
So if SM and Necrons aren't coming till October, what's GW doing for the next 2 months? I guess trickling out the new models before their rules release? Or just a lot of AoS?

NECROMUNDA

Spoiler:

BEASTGRAVE

Spoiler:

Beastgrave release can be done in a week, nexromunda the same probably, there's a warcry warband for 1 week and the gargants to release, so that's 4 weeks worth. They might drop another new starter box for 9th before then which seems sensible.

There’s the rest of the Lumineth too.

Which comes septmember

tneva82 wrote:

dogfender wrote:
Definitely a mistake to make the books available in October instead of right now.
People won’t be building armies with defunct books or possibly buying things knowing now that there is a new book months away and things will potentially change.
I understand The pandemic changes things. But they really should have pushed for all this to be launched at once.

I don't recall single edition where even 1 let alone 2 codex was released same time as edition.

Gw doesn't overload 1 week.

They are also dealing with the effects of the pandemic trashing their release schedule. Maybe originally the plan was Sept, but I'm not giving any company grief ATM for scheduling. They understandingly prioritized the edition itself, but all followup releases too not slipping is a bridge too far

BaconCatBug wrote:

 Leth wrote:
Good,

Also these chapter tactics copied from the reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/hxmozp/new_sm_codex_coming_in_october_2020_with_updated/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

So, does this not mean BA, DA, SW and DW loose access to all their unique units (e.g. Grey Hunters) until the supplement is released?

Depends on what GW provides in the way of a FAQ/Get you by rules. I can imagine they will produce a document telling you which units to continue to use from the old Codex until the Supplement is released.

Plus there are still models we haven’t seen yet. More marines and necrons

 alextroy wrote:

BaconCatBug wrote:

 Leth wrote:
Good,

Also these chapter tactics copied from the reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/hxmozp/new_sm_codex_coming_in_october_2020_with_updated/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

So, does this not mean BA, DA, SW and DW loose access to all their unique units (e.g. Grey Hunters) until the supplement is released?

Depends on what GW provides in the way of a FAQ/Get you by rules. I can imagine they will produce a document telling you which units to continue to use from the old Codex until the Supplement is released.

Maybe the other way around. The FAQ solution may be to keep using the current codex until the supplement releases, but also can use X, Y and Z datasheets from the new Marine codex with a keyword change.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
So if SM and Necrons aren't coming till October, what's GW doing for the next 2 months? I guess trickling out the new models before their rules release? Or just a lot of AoS?

NECROMUNDA

Spoiler:

BEASTGRAVE

Spoiler:

Beastgrave release can be done in a week, nexromunda the same probably, there's a warcry warband for 1 week and the gargants to release, so that's 4 weeks worth. They might drop another new starter box for 9th before then which seems sensible.

There’s the rest of the Lumineth too.

Yep. And there's still stuff from Preview 1, Preview 2 and Preview 3 which we have no release dates for.


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 Ghaz wrote:
The Warhammer 40,000 App is now available on Apple...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/25/warhammer-40000-app-arrives-on-ios/

It’s going to be a game-changer and, as we know, there are more updates already on the way, starting with Battle Forge, an incredible tool that will help you plan your Battle-forged armies. That first update is due to drop in August with more regular updates planned after that to keep making the app a better and better tool for Warhammer 40,000 fans.

Well GW noticed the app wasn't available and yanked the article...

 Crimson wrote:
I don't want to assemble the models until I know what the full options are. (Biker and Assault Primaris sergeants are better to get some melee weapon options in the codex.)

These are the two specific units that are bugging me as well. Since we have "no model = no rule", the new Marine units are limited to exactly what's in the Indomitus box (no 4+ Outrider units, no Power Swords on Assault Intercessor Sergeants, etc.) so whilst it is logical to assume that they'll get expanded options, we just don't know that for certain and it means that we're stuck with what we have for months.

I want to give my Assault Intercessor Sergeant a Power Sword. I want to run a unit of 6 Outriders (just one Sergeant!). This is currently impossible, and that's frustrating. More frustrating with the long wait to get actual rules for these units.

Codices october does seem a little far away but you do have to remember there is still stuff previewed and hinted at in like december/january that hasn't yet seen shelves yet

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I don't want to assemble the models until I know what the full options are. (Biker and Assault Primaris sergeants are better to get some melee weapon options in the codex.)

These are the two specific units that are bugging me as well. Since we have "no model = no rule", the new Marine units are limited to exactly what's in the Indomitus box (no 4+ Outrider units, no Power Swords on Assault Intercessor Sergeants, etc.) so whilst it is logical to assume that they'll get expanded options, we just don't know that for certain and it means that we're stuck with what we have for months.

I want to give my Assault Intercessor Sergeant a Power Sword. I want to run a unit of 6 Outriders (just one Sergeant!). This is currently impossible, and that's frustrating. More frustrating with the long wait to get actual rules for these units.

I do t think any of the Intercessor kits have all the fancy melee weapons either, they’re all out of the various upgrade packs. Like, I sort of Assume the new assault sergeants will get access to that list, but it wouldn’t terribly surprise me if they didn’t. Outriders I dunno, they generate so many bonus attacks it might be crazy to give them access to thunder hammers.

Looks like the Codex releases in October pretty much put the nail in the coffin of any hopes of an "Orktober" this year too.

Though maybe they'll sneak a new Boys boxed set in there given the other previews at the end.

Imagine releasing two "NEW" space marine codexes in less than a year. I'm surprised people are not raging at this. It's scumy to me and I don't even play 40k anymore. Maybe they've gotten people used to constantly needing to buy new $40-$50 books every 2 months to keep up with the meta. Like wtf was even the point of the last codex?

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Imagine releasing two "NEW" space marine codexes in less than a year. I'm surprised people are not raging at this. It's scumy to me and I don't even play 40k anymore. Maybe they've gotten people used to constantly needing to buy new $40-$50 books every 2 months to keep up with the meta. Like wtf was even the point of the last codex?

That's why I've been telling people to not buy their printed material. They're scumbags for their outrageous codex prices.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Imagine releasing two "NEW" space marine codexes in less than a year. I'm surprised people are not raging at this. It's scumy to me and I don't even play 40k anymore. Maybe they've gotten people used to constantly needing to buy new $40-$50 books every 2 months to keep up with the meta. Like wtf was even the point of the last codex?

Space Marine codex was released August 17, 2019. It will have been over a year, not less than, even if the codex comes the first day of October.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
That's why I've been telling people to not buy their printed material. They're scumbags for their outrageous codex prices.

Right there with ya. I'm looking forward to these new books, but I ain't buyin' them. I already feel stupid enough for buying the Marine and Ultramarine datacards, my rationale being that the Marine 'Dex was very new, so the chances of them replacing it would be slim. More the fool me...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
That's why I've been telling people to not buy their printed material. They're scumbags for their outrageous codex prices.

Right there with ya. I'm looking forward to these new books, but I ain't buyin' them. I already feel stupid enough for buying the Marine and Ultramarine datacards, my rationale being that the Marine 'Dex was very new, so the chances of them replacing it would be slim. More the fool me...

After 6th’s short run I’m vary wary of spending money on books, and will not buy cards/play aids.

 Nevelon wrote:
After 6th’s short run I’m vary wary of spending money on books, and will not buy cards/play aids.

I decided to take the plunge with cards for 8th (specifically Marines, Ultras, Chaos and Tyranids) because with the former three being so recent I thought they'd be around for a while, and the latter one just because I was playing Tyranids the most in 8th and wanted to have easy reference. I even got the Open War cards as they looked fun.

Never again...

I really think GW would be better off providing their rules for free online, or at least for very close to free. The ridiculous prices they charge do a lot to either push people towards piracy or depress sales of models. And it's not like they even make much money off the books; despite the prices, the profit margins are tiny compared to the miniatures.

Lemondish wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Imagine releasing two "NEW" space marine codexes in less than a year. I'm surprised people are not raging at this. It's scumy to me and I don't even play 40k anymore. Maybe they've gotten people used to constantly needing to buy new $40-$50 books every 2 months to keep up with the meta. Like wtf was even the point of the last codex?

Space Marine codex was released August 17, 2019. It will have been over a year, not less than, even if the codex comes the first day of October.

Ah excuse me, a year and 2 months. Thank you AKctuAlLy guy for correcting me. This makes it ok now.

Doesn't take away from the fact that within 6 months of the codex release, there were multiple leaks of new models that were not present in the marine codex. And they have to balls to just announce a new book WITHIN a year of the last ones release. Lets not get it twisted, if not for a global pandemic, this book would already be on pre-order and 99% of the player base would eat that gak up.

yukishiro1 wrote:
I really think GW would be better off providing their rules for free online, or at least for very close to free. The ridiculous prices they charge do a lot to either push people towards piracy or depress sales of models. And it's not like they even make much money off the books; despite the prices, the profit margins are tiny compared to the miniatures.

The price of books has held me back from buying minis. I’ve got army fragments I’d love to bring up to fighting strength. But how many factions do I want to commit to keeping up to date with the rules? Or things like knights, where to add one to your list not only do you need the expensive mini, but then the expensive book.

I get that it’s an expensive hobby. I don’t mind the money for most of the minis. But books with a mayfly useful life that suck up a disproportionate chunk of my hobby budget rubs me the wrong way.

I don’t get how people do soup lists. They probably spend more money on books then I do in minis for my mono-faction Ultras lists. And it can be invalidated with an edition change, or even a FAQ.

Well, the secret is that many (most?) people don't. They just use battlescribe or all the free resources available online.

GW would be better off admitting expecting people to pay $40 just for the rules for a faction is unrealistic and counterproductive. Their profit margins aren't even good on the books, so even if they only broke even - i.e. if people took the money they were spending on rules and invested it in minis instead - they'd make more money.

yukishiro1 wrote:
Well, the secret is that many (most?) people don't. They just use battlescribe or all the free resources available online.

GW would be better off admitting expecting people to pay $40 just for the rules for a faction is unrealistic and counterproductive. Their profit margins aren't even good on the books, so even if they only broke even - i.e. if people took the money they were spending on rules and invested it in minis instead - they'd make more money.

Well, as much as I agree with that sentiment and have no intention of actually paying money for the shoddy quality rules that are invalidated relatively shortly after release, I am certain that if making the rules free was more profitable they would have done it by now. Somewhere out there is a neck beard with way too much money and an army in every faction and every codex and supplement out there. And there’s thousands of marine players that got ripped off a bunch of times and will continue to get ripped off. Probably confused too as to why the edition changed. They didn’t see a problem with how it worked XD and hundreds of every other faction, if not thousands as well. I do agree that I have no idea how they have people outside the competitive scene (play for a living) still buying these books though.

I dunno, the theory that GW is some super smart organization that knows its market super well has taken a pretty serious hit in the last two weeks. They botched the launch of their flagship box by getting the demand totally wrong, then they released a half-finished app so bad it would have embarrassed a company worth 1/100th what GW is.

I think a lot of our assumptions about GW running some slick research operation have to be serious reconsidered.

yukishiro1 wrote:
I dunno, the theory that GW is some super smart organization that knows its market super well has taken a pretty serious hit in the last two weeks. They botched the launch of their flagship box by getting the demand totally wrong, then they released a half-finished app so bad it would have embarrassed a company worth 1/100th what GW is.

Maybe they are pulling a New Coke? Soon they will release 40k - The App - The Second, and it will be super good! Wait...