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I am going to preorder from Wayland Games hopefully.
Any one have any idea what time their preorders usually go up?
   
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Of course GW Is choosing to under produce are people really so blind? When a normal unlimited release happens they never run out of pre order stock they can easily produce more indomitus they are choosing not to to create a mad rush and hype and a quick tidy profit. It will not help them in the long run and I hope this really does put people off because it's a disgraceful buisness practice.
   
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No company in the history of the world has ever treated customers as badly as GW. I knew years ago that GW were sabotaging their own Indomitus production so that only royalty would be able to get the boxes. Their conspiracy to make only ten boxes for the entire world will net them billions more than if they'd made as many copies as they could reasonably manufacture/store/distribute....

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 Overread wrote:


There's a difference between local supply limits and regional supply limits. We won't know the latter until tomorrow at 10am local release time for different GW regions. It might be that some stores aren't able to get stock that they want, but that through the general regional distribution the majority of customers do get access to stock at fair prices. It might be scalpers buy it all and we have to contend with that or that GW doesn't have enough. We also have to remember that there will be many buying it JUST for the rulebook and so we have to factor in the aftermarket sale of split sets as well.

So chances are we won't know the regional issues until tomorrow and we won't know the full picture until release.


The fact that GW acts bad towards certain regions or countries is a separate matter. They had been doing stuff like that all 8th, and considering everyone think it is the norm, I expect they did it for ever, or at least long enough for no one to remember them doing otherwise.

All In all I think, and I am no economy major, it is a dick thing to do, to put out rules for a new edition, knowing people play the game all around the world, and send 2 copies per store, in large cities or informing that CA is going to be "delayed". I would get it in some way if the rules were accessible online, but they are not, not even if you subscribe to their up comming app.

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 dan2026 wrote:
I am going to preorder from Wayland Games hopefully.
Any one have any idea what time their preorders usually go up?


10am same as all the other stores when the pre-orders go live.

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 Overread wrote:
 dan2026 wrote:
I am going to preorder from Wayland Games hopefully.
Any one have any idea what time their preorders usually go up?


10am same as all the other stores when the pre-orders go live.
Thanks dude.
   
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tneva82 wrote:
 Nazrak wrote:
Icegoat wrote:
This is an insanely horrific way to treat customers I knew months ago this would sell out we all did yet GW have done nothing to further production of indomitus and are very happy to once again fail 99% of the community for the 1% that does get this box. An absolute disgrace. Their lies about making loads of boxes can clearly be seen now. This will easily net them millions in profit but I hope the long term Ill will this generates finally has an impact and they stop these disgraceful anti consumer practices

Tfw you're having a very normal one over a company that makes toys not having functionally infinite manufacturing capacity.


Except underproducing is gw's choice.


They've had staff back in production less than a month, they need to catch up on historic orders, produce enough of frequent sellers to ensure a reasonable stock, then switch to a new kit. How did you expect them to have a surplus of a new box set with nobody in to make them?
   
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 harlokin wrote:
No company in the history of the world has ever treated customers as badly as GW. I knew years ago that GW were sabotaging their own Indomitus production so that only royalty would be able to get the boxes. Their conspiracy to make only ten boxes for the entire world will net them billions more than if they'd made as many copies as they could reasonably manufacture/store/distribute....


You forgot giving a 2-week lead time on pre-orders instead of 1... you know... so that they could sell those ten copies faster.

I have no idea if supply is going to match demand, but basically... the only way GW loses money is if it cannot match that demand. Short-selling the box to you guys on purpose has no financial benefit to the company.

Can they produce enough to meet the ravenous appetite of the dakka community? I dunno. I doubt saying they have a stock of 100 million copies would be enough to placate some people. But to say there is some nefarious conspiracy to take the box out of your hands and make you pay $500 on ebay... I think this is a bit conspiratorial.

Also, a lot of the measures lately seems to be aimed at getting more sales through their website instead of through the brick-and-mortar supply chain. They make a ton more money that way than they do selling it for half price to your FLGS. I'd be more upset about that push than anything. And it actually makes sense.
   
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 harlokin wrote:
No company in the history of the world has ever treated customers as badly as GW. I knew years ago that GW were sabotaging their own Indomitus production so that only royalty would be able to get the boxes. Their conspiracy to make only ten boxes for the entire world will net them billions more than if they'd made as many copies as they could reasonably manufacture/store/distribute....


Oh that is an big over exegeration. I can give you many example of gigantic gas, electricity supplying companies ,which are all state run meaning they should technicly be pro people, that treat their customers very bad.

For example our electricity company send us a letter, through some private company courier, as post would be too cheap and not generate higher costs, that we have time till 30 june to decide if we want to pay more for electricity or not. the letter came 3 days ago. And yes you can take them to court. They have more money, and will bankrupt you, if you try. But before that, they will cut off your electricty.

Or debt gather companies which legaly stole a guys tractors a few years ago, auctioned it off, and the response of the national board of debt collectors to the family was . Our bad sorry, we ment to go to another guy. If you want your tractor or money back, you can sue the collectors company. Which of course was in Cyprus and disbanded by the time courts started to react.

Comparing to stuff like that. Or belgian companies in congo performing purges among the local populations , GW is a fluffy little bunny.

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Looking at some of the numbers people are talking about here, with stores asking for 250-300 boxes, it's hard to say whether GW or the stores themselves are more at fault. Seems to me that there are some stores that have perhaps placed too high an initial order and then promised those boxes to customers. If they'd have waited until they got confirmation of their allocations they wouldn't be having to break promises to customers.

I'll be the first in line to criticise GW if the pre-orders are a disaster tomorrow and sell out within minutes but I think we need to wait and see how it goes before jumping all over them. If you're really desperate to have a go at GW the app they announced yesterday is a pretty good punching bag.
   
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Karol wrote:
 harlokin wrote:
No company in the history of the world has ever treated customers as badly as GW. I knew years ago that GW were sabotaging their own Indomitus production so that only royalty would be able to get the boxes. Their conspiracy to make only ten boxes for the entire world will net them billions more than if they'd made as many copies as they could reasonably manufacture/store/distribute....


Oh that is an big over exegeration.


I think he's cracking a joke - it is clearly hyperbole for a laugh
   
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 ScarletRose wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
 ScarletRose wrote:
Dicehead just cancelled all reservations for the box set.

Seems like GW really gakked the bed on this one. I doubt I'm going to find any other preorder availability anywhere else.

So I guess they don't get my money for now.


That seems hard to believe they have no allocation. I see no mention of this on twitter or facebook?


I literally just got the email before posting. I'm guessing it went out to those who were on the reservation list already.

I'll copy/paste it into a spoiler because it's long

Spoiler:

INDOMITUS BOXED SET HEAVILY ALLOCATED LAST MINUTE BY GAMES WORKSHOP - ALL RESERVE ORDERS HAVE BEEN CANCELLED. PLEASE READ BELOW.

I am writing to inform you that Games Workshop has reduced EVERY single Game Store’s allocations of Indomitus in the country by drastic numbers including ours at well over 75% of our initial order commitment, putting most of their retail partners in very unpleasant situations this evening.

Last week, we were made to make decisions to spend tens of thousands of dollars (almost $30k in our case) on this release with less than a 24 hour notice, telling us that we had to give our totals by end of day and that we could not reduce those totals, only add to them because we would get what we committed to that day. It is a normal GW practice to put us in these preorder situations but they seldom ever (actually none that I can remember in my last 22 years of business with them) go back on those numbers once we commit.

At that time we reached out to you to offer the reserve list with the confidence that we would have the total that we had been made to commit to. From there, I spent hours and money organizing and preparing for this release that will now be a small fraction of what it could have been for us and for you, our customers.

Whether it be bad management of resources, someone misreading the numbers, "miscommunication" (the likely excuse… err… reason), an inability to meet demand to their retailers (mind you there will be plenty on their own webstore come Saturday) or, just plain old fashioned greed, whatever the reason, once again GW bites the hand that feeds them - their local retail stores - the people who work to promote their products through events, workshops and doing all the work keeping the community involved in their games for them.

With all of that said, I sincerely hate to inform you that DICEHEAD.COM will not have a single copy of Indomitus available to any of our online customers.

I HATE, absolutely HATE, not being able to fulfill a promise to a customer – one of my top business rules is "Never tell a customer you will do something for them and not do it." I wish other companies lived by the same standards, but today, it is what it is and I cannot sell what I do not have.

Please accept my sincere apologies and I hope you are able to find a copy of Indomitus this weekend.

We will have the Chapter Approved books in the webstore but that will be about it for this release as GW has also allocated everything else in this initial release to levels that we cannot offer them online as well either.

Sincerely,
- An extremely disappointed and frustrated Shane and Dicehead Team





Well, that's got me sending a message to the LGS I was planning on ordering one copy from to see how they're doing.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...

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Don't forget a good number of people double order at different stores. So some stores might have a lot of orders on book, but some will not turn up for those orders. They will have got it elsewhere already and will cancel. "free" "intent to buy" registrations are the same. Some people will get to tomorrow and had a bill they have to pay instead or have a rethink and realise that they don't really want it all etc....

Again we won't know the lay of the land until things actually happen.

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Purifying Tempest wrote:
Karol wrote:
 harlokin wrote:
No company in the history of the world has ever treated customers as badly as GW. I knew years ago that GW were sabotaging their own Indomitus production so that only royalty would be able to get the boxes. Their conspiracy to make only ten boxes for the entire world will net them billions more than if they'd made as many copies as they could reasonably manufacture/store/distribute....


Oh that is an big over exegeration.


I think he's cracking a joke - it is clearly hyperbole for a laugh


Oh sorry then. I am the model for a person at not understanding jokes at sarcams. My bad.

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 Nazrak wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 Nazrak wrote:
Icegoat wrote:
This is an insanely horrific way to treat customers I knew months ago this would sell out we all did yet GW have done nothing to further production of indomitus and are very happy to once again fail 99% of the community for the 1% that does get this box. An absolute disgrace. Their lies about making loads of boxes can clearly be seen now. This will easily net them millions in profit but I hope the long term Ill will this generates finally has an impact and they stop these disgraceful anti consumer practices

Tfw you're having a very normal one over a company that makes toys not having functionally infinite manufacturing capacity.


Except underproducing is gw's choice.
Ah, you were in that meeting, were you?


So how come they always sell out and never produce more?

You think they have capability to produce only certain time and after that literally cannot produce more?

Either they literally cannot produce after period or they have certain number they want to produce. First case you are right(so explain how they can only produce certain time), second i am and they have set amount they intend to produce. And if it's set amount they could be producing even 2 months from now to meet the amount.

Since production of box is hardly time limited and they can produce more any time they wish answer is they have decided to produce x. And either that x is less than demand or there won't be no stock issue because even if they can only produce x kit per day it doesn't matter as gw can simply produce it sufficient amount.

But gw doesn't do that with limited edition boxes. Generally because those are more cost effective for players. Gw will rather sell majority as bigger profit margin for them

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Karol wrote:
Purifying Tempest wrote:
Karol wrote:
 harlokin wrote:
No company in the history of the world has ever treated customers as badly as GW. I knew years ago that GW were sabotaging their own Indomitus production so that only royalty would be able to get the boxes. Their conspiracy to make only ten boxes for the entire world will net them billions more than if they'd made as many copies as they could reasonably manufacture/store/distribute....


Oh that is an big over exegeration.


I think he's cracking a joke - it is clearly hyperbole for a laugh


Oh sorry then. I am the model for a person at not understanding jokes at sarcams. My bad.


No problem, sure no one is going to torch you for misunderstanding a joke... though sometimes around here, I dunno. Just wanted to clarify so more people didn't think he was being serious. It is pretty obvious to me, but I guess there is some room there for misinterpretation.

Now, back to grabbing pitchforks and torches... we got a GW-burning to attend!
   
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Purifying Tempest wrote:
 harlokin wrote:
No company in the history of the world has ever treated customers as badly as GW. I knew years ago that GW were sabotaging their own Indomitus production so that only royalty would be able to get the boxes. Their conspiracy to make only ten boxes for the entire world will net them billions more than if they'd made as many copies as they could reasonably manufacture/store/distribute....


You forgot giving a 2-week lead time on pre-orders instead of 1... you know... so that they could sell those ten copies faster.

I have no idea if supply is going to match demand, but basically... the only way GW loses money is if it cannot match that demand. Short-selling the box to you guys on purpose has no financial benefit to the company.

Can they produce enough to meet the ravenous appetite of the dakka community? I dunno. I doubt saying they have a stock of 100 million copies would be enough to placate some people. But to say there is some nefarious conspiracy to take the box out of your hands and make you pay $500 on ebay... I think this is a bit conspiratorial.

Also, a lot of the measures lately seems to be aimed at getting more sales through their website instead of through the brick-and-mortar supply chain. They make a ton more money that way than they do selling it for half price to your FLGS. I'd be more upset about that push than anything. And it actually makes sense.


They could. Maybe not on release day but they could always produce more if they wished. They don't.

As for why? Notice how many models that box has? You can bet you don't get rulebook plus those for even close to 125 pounds...

Gw shortsell discount boxes to sell most of stuff for bigger profit margin.

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tneva82 wrote:
Purifying Tempest wrote:
 harlokin wrote:
No company in the history of the world has ever treated customers as badly as GW. I knew years ago that GW were sabotaging their own Indomitus production so that only royalty would be able to get the boxes. Their conspiracy to make only ten boxes for the entire world will net them billions more than if they'd made as many copies as they could reasonably manufacture/store/distribute....


You forgot giving a 2-week lead time on pre-orders instead of 1... you know... so that they could sell those ten copies faster.

I have no idea if supply is going to match demand, but basically... the only way GW loses money is if it cannot match that demand. Short-selling the box to you guys on purpose has no financial benefit to the company.

Can they produce enough to meet the ravenous appetite of the dakka community? I dunno. I doubt saying they have a stock of 100 million copies would be enough to placate some people. But to say there is some nefarious conspiracy to take the box out of your hands and make you pay $500 on ebay... I think this is a bit conspiratorial.

Also, a lot of the measures lately seems to be aimed at getting more sales through their website instead of through the brick-and-mortar supply chain. They make a ton more money that way than they do selling it for half price to your FLGS. I'd be more upset about that push than anything. And it actually makes sense.


They could. Maybe not on release day but they could always produce more if they wished. They don't.

As for why? Notice how many models that box has? You can bet you don't get rulebook plus those for even close to 125 pounds...

Gw shortsell discount boxes to sell most of stuff for bigger profit margin.


Which is probably why they want to keep it out of the hands of local stores. If they're selling it for $200 to us, they're selling it for $100 to the stores. Their profits are probably in the garbage, if they're not upside down, for the set and they're more likely trying to drive commerce to their website where they can sell the full box for $200.

I don't think this is about selling 10 boxes at a premium, I think this is about selling a million units from their commerce site instead of at 50% off to distributors.
   
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tneva82 wrote:


So how come they always sell out and never produce more?

You think they have capability to produce only certain time and after that literally cannot produce more?

Either they literally cannot produce after period or they have certain number they want to produce. First case you are right(so explain how they can only produce certain time), second i am and they have set amount they intend to produce. And if it's set amount they could be producing even 2 months from now to meet the amount.

Since production of box is hardly time limited and they can produce more any time they wish answer is they have decided to produce x. And either that x is less than demand or there won't be no stock issue because even if they can only produce x kit per day it doesn't matter as gw can simply produce it sufficient amount.

But gw doesn't do that with limited edition boxes. Generally because those are more cost effective for players. Gw will rather sell majority as bigger profit margin for them


Because GW doesn't have unlimited production capacity? As it stands, GW runs their production machines 24/7. When would you like them to interrupt their producing of the thousands of SKUs to send to stores and sell themselves to reprint a bunch of the new starter? Its a cost benefit analysis. If they re-ran the starter after it sold out, people would complain they couldn't get their Primaris Lieutenant or their floaty grav tank thingy because its out of stock.

Indomitus probably will sell out quickly - between direct sales and any stores that are open trying to get the maximum number they can, you can bet they'll be gone. Keep in mind that some of those stores (and people) will buy multiples to resell on ebay, its not just scalpers, but stores who will re-sell at inflated prices as well.

GW was supposed to have expanded their warehouses, which I took to mean their production capacity, but I also guess that Covid has delayed the impact of those moves. Nothing is running on all cylinders at the moment.

Would you rather GW didn't roll out Indomitus and 9th edition until all the dust has settled? That's the other option.

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They don't have unlimited production capacity but have years to produce. You don't need unlimited amount produced in day when you can produce 3 years if there's demand. But instead they choose to produce less than demand to sell kits at higher profit.


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Many people getting more than one box will be selling 2/3rds of the content - ergo one half of the army and a rulebook. There will also be a good number selling both sets of models and just getting the book.

UK side I'd wager we'll see models at £60 for a set so at those kind of prices the rulebook is basically free and I doubt you'd have any trouble selling the Marine nor Necron parts on. So its a very "safe" way that iwll inflate store sales, but will be soaked up with increased ebay/facebook/forum supply.


Heck I'm toying with the idea of getting two sets - swap one marine half for necrons and then sell the other marine and rulebook giving me 3 sets of necron content. At the same time I'm putting back into the pool a rulebook and a set of marines for others to pick up.

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GW made so few of these boxes that they only have enough for everyone to buy 3 each.


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tneva82 wrote:
They don't have unlimited production capacity but have years to produce. You don't need unlimited amount produced in day when you can produce 3 years if there's demand. But instead they choose to produce less than demand to sell kits at higher profit.



Whilst it might take a year or two to make a model from design to plastic you're vastly overestimating the amount of time GW is going to sit in products in storage. Why would they spend 3 years producing stock for something? That's an insane volume of stock not to mention a vast amount of warehouse space they'd have to set aside.

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tneva82 wrote:
They don't have unlimited production capacity but have years to produce. You don't need unlimited amount produced in day when you can produce 3 years if there's demand. But instead they choose to produce less than demand to sell kits at higher profit.



You realise the various parts of this box haven't existed for anything close to 3 years, right? We know from playtester's comments they were still working on finalising the rulebook around December/January and who knows when they decided exactly what the contents of the box was going to be in terms of models. Thinking they had 3 years to produce this is delusional in the extreme.
   
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Models, from what people said in interviews often exist a lot sooner then rules. But lets say they even started to do their boxs 12 months ago, and some of the time got lost because of corona. It still makes no sense from GW perspective to over produce, any unit that does not sell is a double lose, triple if it has to be stored. So it is better for GW to, according to their sells analytics, under produce and always sell everything or almost everything.
The rarity aspect is just a bonus here. The real meat of the thing is that the company doesn't lose money on stuff that doesn't sell. So even if they do something like the double eldar box, the loses are managable or just pushed on to the stores.

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Lets also remember that far as we know no model TYPE from the set is unique to this set. There might be some that are unique in specific sculpt as push fit (eg if you compare the 4 leg walker for the Necrons the version with the reanimation beams in the box has very different legs to the version with the cannon on its back); but in general no model type is unique to the set.

If you fail to get a copy of it or the rules the only thing you lose out on is the release date (when you get it) and the price saving. The actual models will be on general retail sale with GW making new stock of them on a rolling nature - ergo replacing when they run out as best they can. So if you miss out all you're really missing out on is discount price not the actual ability to buy adn field those models in your armies.

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 Overread wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
They don't have unlimited production capacity but have years to produce. You don't need unlimited amount produced in day when you can produce 3 years if there's demand. But instead they choose to produce less than demand to sell kits at higher profit.



Whilst it might take a year or two to make a model from design to plastic you're vastly overestimating the amount of time GW is going to sit in products in storage. Why would they spend 3 years producing stock for something? That's an insane volume of stock not to mention a vast amount of warehouse space they'd have to set aside.


Ummm who is sayikg anything about spending 3 years building stock? I'm talking about producing after launch date. You know what they normally do? Il tf they didn't you could no longer buy sisters of battle anymore.

Come launch day they sell out. They could easily produce more. Or do you claim they throw files and moulds away? Only thing stopping production is gw themselves. And why? Same reason they always do this with discount boxes. If they met demand would cripple sales of full price kits.


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tneva82 wrote:
They don't have unlimited production capacity but have years to produce. You don't need unlimited amount produced in day when you can produce 3 years if there's demand. But instead they choose to produce less than demand to sell kits at higher profit.



You realise the various parts of this box haven't existed for anything close to 3 years, right? We know from playtester's comments they were still working on finalising the rulebook around December/January and who knows when they decided exactly what the contents of the box was going to be in terms of models. Thinking they had 3 years to produce this is delusional in the extreme.


Right. Gw throws files etc away so for next 3 years until 10th edition they never ever can produce more even if they wanted.

You realize how silly that sounds?

Only reason stopping gw from producing more next 3 years(starting now) is gw itself. They CHOSE to produce certain amount and no more period. Gw could use next 3 years producing as demand is. But choose not. Because it's discount box and want to sell assault intercessors, skorpik lords etc at full price as well.

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tneva82 wrote:
They don't have unlimited production capacity but have years to produce. You don't need unlimited amount produced in day when you can produce 3 years if there's demand. But instead they choose to produce less than demand to sell kits at higher profit.



You know what they normally do? Il tf they didn't you could no longer buy sisters of battle anymore.


This isn't how production or manufacturing works, GW doesn't produce *anything* continuously for 3 years, even the kits that aren't limited are produced in batch runs over a relatively short period of time and then rotated out to a different product. This is why periodically a box of intercessors or hellblasters or whatever will be seemingly sold out everywhere from time to time. GW pumps out say 100,000 boxes of those Sisters of Battle and might not produce another box for another 2-3 years before they get back to them.

But lets say they even started to do their boxs 12 months ago, and some of the time got lost because of corona.


This is being generous, in all likelihood the boxes didn't even exist 6 months ago, let alone 12. GW doesn't have a very large warehousing capacity, they aren't sitting on product for months (let alone years). They are printing x many copies in as short of a time period as possible and shipping it out the door the day after they finish, and then moving on to the next product. Almost every new release you buy on day 1 was probably only produced about 8-12 weeks before it showed up in your stores.

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Something may be afoot? Strictly an anecdote for now.

Goblin Gaming on Facebook wrote: INDOMITUS PREORDER NOTICE: Please note that we will be selling the new preorder in two waves. The first wave of 300 copies will be shipping for release on the 25th of July.

There will be a second chance to order if you miss out on these, and a SECOND WAVE preorder will be available to those who missed out on the first ones. This preorder will not ship until LATE AUGUST.

We will limit ALL CUSTOMERS to one copy each if you attempt to order more your order will be cancelled.

Sorry for any confusion this causes, we are trying to work with Games Workshop to meet this extraordinary demand.


Could very well be GW are gearing up for a further print run? As I said, anecdotal for now. But felt it worth drawing to attention.

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