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Well im surprised the fudged it up so bad..

Ebay looks like a bloodsport.

I'm pretty sure I have a copy through my FLGS. I was going to sit the whole thing out, but it looked like a decent way to get the rulebook and a bunch of Crons if I traded away the Primaris half for some one else's Cron half.

Still not sure if I'm going to do an army, but $130 (box minus eventual rulebook price) for a fat Necron starter seemed like a good time.

 Insectum7 wrote:
Ebay looks like a bloodsport.

I'm pretty sure I have a copy through my FLGS. I was going to sit the whole thing out, but it looked like a decent way to get the rulebook and a bunch of Crons if I traded away the Primaris half for some one else's Cron half.

Still not sure if I'm going to do an army, but $130 (box minus eventual rulebook price) for a fat Necron starter seemed like a good time.

Its a great deal.

Lol i havent looked on ebay yet. I. Going to wait till i get my one physicaly before putting up anything on sale.

 Argive wrote:


Lol i havent looked on ebay yet.

150.00+ increase from most eBay sellers.

Funny to see that on the same day I just paid only 200.00 for mine.

I'm sorry, so many missed out. I was able to drive to my local store and order 3 of them with no issues. DGI, and other retailers had them available in the US well into midday.

I strongly would suggest trying your local stores. So far, many of the stores in a four-hour drive seem to have plenty and have had their allocation increased, based on what my FLGS told me.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
2) They made "the most of any box"

Yeah... how do we know that? I mean, 9th is apparently the most polished edition EVER (y'know, since the last one!), and we were finding the mistakes with the first previews. Are you really going to believe PR spin?

 Daedalus81 wrote:
3) forums and FB have been peddling fear for a week now.

So like Kan you're going to blame the players for all of this? Classy.

Seabass wrote:
I'm sorry, so many missed out. I was able to drive to my local store and order 3 of them with no issues. DGI, and other retailers had them available in the US well into midday.

I strongly would suggest trying your local stores. So far, many of the stores in a four-hour drive seem to have plenty and have had their allocation increased, based on what my FLGS told me.

It's the same around here. GW sold out quickly but a lot of FLGS still have stock right now. I think anyone who really wants a box will be able to get one, but they need to act soon. I got my one box that I am splitting with a friend.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Thing is some scalpers have had preorders up on ebay for nigh on two weeks, no doubt the suckers will have been expecting more boxes than they actually got. Most of their pre order auctions are filled with provisos that the auction is dependent upon getting a supply so hopefully a lot of them have been burned and are now furiously having to offer refunds. Not sure if PayPal or ebay take any cut on that but even if they have not lost some money they will certainly have wasted a lot of time. Small joys and all that.

I had this problem a few months ago during the sisters release. I went on to get the limited novel but it came out same day as the next seige book. So not wanting to miss the seige book I bought it first and the sisters book was gone when I went back. I went to the filthy scalpers to buy one and found one at £80 but it now. Bought it didn’t hear anything for weeks and then got an email saying the seller had a supply problem. In other words he never even had the item! I couldn’t believe it, left him a one star review and he went bonkers pleading with me to change it and then eventually calling me a liar! He even posted a reply to my review saying he had been let down by his supplier and that had caused the issue. I had never used eBay for books before and never will again. If I miss out I miss out. I’m pretty sure many of the eBay scalpers are GW employees. I’ve seen pictures of books taken in stores etc. Can’t be certain but I wouldn’t be surprised if employees get first chance to buy.

 Knockagh wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Thing is some scalpers have had preorders up on ebay for nigh on two weeks, no doubt the suckers will have been expecting more boxes than they actually got. Most of their pre order auctions are filled with provisos that the auction is dependent upon getting a supply so hopefully a lot of them have been burned and are now furiously having to offer refunds. Not sure if PayPal or ebay take any cut on that but even if they have not lost some money they will certainly have wasted a lot of time. Small joys and all that.

I had this problem a few months ago during the sisters release. I went on to get the limited novel but it came out same day as the next seige book. So not wanting to miss the seige book I bought it first and the sisters book was gone when I went back. I went to the filthy scalpers to buy one and found one at £80 but it now. Bought it didn’t hear anything for weeks and then got an email saying the seller had a supply problem. In other words he never even had the item! I couldn’t believe it, left him a one star review and he went bonkers pleading with me to change it and then eventually calling me a liar! He even posted a reply to my review saying he had been let down by his supplier and that had caused the issue. I had never used eBay for books before and never will again. If I miss out I miss out. I’m pretty sure many of the eBay scalpers are GW employees. I’ve seen pictures of books taken in stores etc. Can’t be certain but I wouldn’t be surprised if employees get first chance to buy.

Sadly it happens, years back a local EBgames got cleaned out for it. Every employee was fired over Scalping issues. So i can imagine that someone at a GW somewhere would do it.

Nah.

No more special ordering privileges for GW employees. Havent been for years.

Pics taken in store are either customers grabbing a snap, or a scalper lifting them from a FB type post.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Nah.

No more special ordering privileges for GW employees. Havent been for years.

Pics taken in store are either customers grabbing a snap, or a scalper lifting them from a FB type post.

I dont think those Gav Thorpes and Crudaces had to sit down and refresh the GW site like mad, just to buy their set of Indomitus.

The guys that work at the GW shop in warsaw split the sister boxs, Which was kind of a bad, for people that tried to start SoB. But at other times it is funny to see, them try to sell the IG colonel model on polish trade sites for 450zl(a quarter what an army costs), and people trolling them with questions about how much the foil from the box cost etc.

Don't forget a lot of people won't be second hand selling yet until they've got the item in hand. So in 2 weeks the ebay stock will likely get flooded for a few days (before and after the launch day as some post goes out early) with people selling of their halves that they don't want.

Facebook for them is better right now in securing swaps and trades; and again there will be a spike when it all goes live.

IF GW are doing two shipping waves then, again, that will create two waves of people suddenly trading.

One thing has really become clear to me after yesterday and that is the absolute refusal of some people to support or use independent stockists.

I have two independent FLGS nearby, as well as a GW store. I saw people on facebook gnashing their teeth and tearing their hair out over the site going down or stuff being out of stock, meanwhile both of those two FLGS had Indomitus pre-orders going for like, 3 hours. In fact both of them gauged interest long beforehand by asking how many people/who would be interested in pre-ordering. As far as I know they've easily filled all of their pre-orders and actually are still keeping some in stock for release week because they over-ordered just to be safe.

But no, despite having plenty of chances to put their names down for a box, I've seen about a dozen local players just throw tantrums about not being to pre-order at 10am on the GW site on Saturday.

This is just mainly a vent at how some people don't want to actually support their local independent businesses who have been struggling in the midst of a global pandemic. feth those people. They can buy their gakky Space Marines for £1000 on Ebay for all I care. Hell, I'll be generous and sell my Indomitus Marines to them for £500 cuz I'm a nice guy.

Karol wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Nah.

No more special ordering privileges for GW employees. Havent been for years.

Pics taken in store are either customers grabbing a snap, or a scalper lifting them from a FB type post.

I dont think those Gav Thorpes and Crudaces had to sit down and refresh the GW site like mad, just to buy their set of Indomitus.

The guys that work at the GW shop in warsaw split the sister boxs, Which was kind of a bad, for people that tried to start SoB. But at other times it is funny to see, them try to sell the IG colonel model on polish trade sites for 450zl(a quarter what an army costs), and people trolling them with questions about how much the foil from the box cost etc.

450zl, 107 CHF.
considering pay and consume rates, that's so nuts that i wonder if they 'd have separated the foil or another 50 Zl

Apologies to the OP. I thought he was nuts. He wasn't far off at all.

yukishiro1 wrote:
Whatever you do, don't feed the scalpers. Every time someone feeds a scalper, Slaanesh does unspeakable things to a puppy.

It's a classic GW omnishambles, but the upside is there is a 100% chance they will be making way more of these, because the PR hit would be unbelievable if they didn't. So at worst, you'll have to wait a couple weeks.

Scalpers are the spawn of tzeench not slaneesh

100% there more money to be made so it will come


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 Bosskelot wrote:
One thing has really become clear to me after yesterday and that is the absolute refusal of some people to support or use independent stockists.

I have two independent FLGS nearby, as well as a GW store. I saw people on facebook gnashing their teeth and tearing their hair out over the site going down or stuff being out of stock, meanwhile both of those two FLGS had Indomitus pre-orders going for like, 3 hours. In fact both of them gauged interest long beforehand by asking how many people/who would be interested in pre-ordering. As far as I know they've easily filled all of their pre-orders and actually are still keeping some in stock for release week because they over-ordered just to be safe.

But no, despite having plenty of chances to put their names down for a box, I've seen about a dozen local players just throw tantrums about not being to pre-order at 10am on the GW site on Saturday.

This is just mainly a vent at how some people don't want to actually support their local independent businesses who have been struggling in the midst of a global pandemic. feth those people. They can buy their gakky Space Marines for £1000 on Ebay for all I care. Hell, I'll be generous and sell my Indomitus Marines to them for £500 cuz I'm a nice guy.

Goddamn cultists

I wish I’d looked at independents more, even online. Some of them were selling for a £30 discount. I assumed GW would be first on the shelves and then the rest later

Given Covid I understand people not going down to their FLGS (if they are even currently open) to stand around with a load of other people but the bigger independent stockists had dual problems in that their allocations were smaller than expected and their websites ground to a halt due to traffic around 10am. This was the case with Element, Firestorm and plenty of others. The allocations were so low that many did not offer their 10 to 20% discount on the box. What shocked me most was the anger from a lot of people accusing the stores of profiteering by not offering a discount like they are entitled to it.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Given Covid I understand people not going down to their FLGS (if they are even currently open) to stand around with a load of other people but the bigger independent stockists had dual problems in that their allocations were smaller than expected and their websites ground to a halt due to traffic around 10am. This was the case with Element, Firestorm and plenty of others. The allocations were so low that many did not offer their 10 to 20% discount on the box. What shocked me most was the anger from a lot of people accusing the stores of profiteering by not offering a discount like they are entitled to it.

at the risk of sounding completely incendiary, I would offer that if there is one thing the gaming community is known for, specifically the social gaming industry is known for, it's being incredibly entitled.

Someone said it once, and I believe it to be true: Wizards of the Coast could put a $5.00 bill in every one of the packs they sell and the consumers would bitch about it because it wasn't $10.00.

As so many have noted, I really do think there will be plenty of boxes available. With this second run cooking up (if indeed that's what it is) and the number of independent stockers carrying them, I really do think that if you want one, you will be able to get one. It may not be on the 25th, but you will get one.

I really also don't think that GW could accurately gauge the results of this preorder. I honestly think they probably analyzed and determined they had enough of them. There were a lot of variables that were up against them on this. I would imagine just gauging the impact of a frozen/shut down economy in a global pandemic, and its effect on people buying luxury goods (which, during any economic decline, consumption of non-necessary goods typically decline) would have been an almost impossible variable to account for. Add to that the Warhammer 40,000 is far and away more popular than its ever been before, and you have two very conflicting, very difficult to gauge variables right there. I think when they launched they felt like their ca% was probably in the upper 30's and when it launched they found out that their allocation was wrong and they didn't make anywhere near enough and while their sellthrough was likely 100% their actual market penetration with this product was probably far below expectations. But it's very hard for me to pin that on GW alone.

these are, after all, very interesting times we live in.

Seabass wrote:

I really also don't think that GW could accurately gauge the results of this preorder. I honestly think they probably analyzed and determined they had enough of them .

yeah that is why to wrote in one of the first articles about the box that you need to be fast and ready to pre-order as soon as it goes live to get one because it is a limited offer

GW did accuratly guessed how much they want to sell and made just enough to sell them all within the first minutes of the pre-order, there was no miscalculation or underastimatiuon the demand

I am more thinking about that the managment would consider the marketing a fail because it took them 30 minutes to sell all and not just 5.

There is no second run people have latched onto something that is totally untrue. Why people are now back pedalling and saying oh there will be a second run and oh dont worry there will be buts to buy on ebay I just dont understand. Are you so blinded to see that GW has totally betrayed its customers on this one. The lies about we have made loads the holding back of stock for their own website it's a massive disgrace. And fools are still lapping it up and making excuses for them. Crazy.

Icegoat wrote:
There is no second run people have latched onto something that is totally untrue. Why people are now back pedalling and saying oh there will be a second run and oh dont worry there will be buts to buy on ebay I just dont understand. Are you so blinded to see that GW has totally betrayed its customers on this one. The lies about we have made loads the holding back of stock for their own website it's a massive disgrace. And fools are still lapping it up and making excuses for them. Crazy.

At the end of the day, it doesnt really matter though does it? People can and will do what they like, the overly emotive language you use is worthy of a B movie scene.

Icegoat wrote:
There is no second run people have latched onto something that is totally untrue.

there are shops who already take pre-orders for a second run shipped on August, so something must be there, if it is really another production run or just somehting that is already on stock but meant to be shipped later or the real 2-player starter set is something we don't know yet

and GW is constantly lying to the costumer, but people just don't care, because GW is still seen as the friendly garage-company start-up that must be forgiven because they don't have figured it out yet

Far as I can tell the "second run" is simply GW producing the single print run in two batches. Likely as a result of Corona meaning that they have to split packing for Indomitus with the rest of the model range. Remembering that they lost several months of production and packing in the warehouse and then had a massive shortfall of stock after reopening coupled to reduced staff working in the warehouse.

So this second wave is likely supposed to be front loaded for this week, but was put back to make room so that GW could keep the rest of the model lines in stock on their website, as best they can.

 Overread wrote:

UndeadD wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Tokhuah wrote:
If people purchase a large number of regularly priced boxes of the new Necron sprue when it eventually comes out it will.reinforce GWs strategic decision and they will continue to do this type of release.

You mean like they've been doing for at least 3 or more years.

They've had this as normal practice for that long? When I was a kid back in 4th edition things seemed simpler. If this is a common GW practice I might need to look for a different hobby.

I wouldn't be that dramatic.

GW has for a good few years now been doing limited edition discount boxes to launch new models. They are limited in quantity and are used to help promote typically two armies getting a few new models. Sometimes its just one model, sometimes its more. They are short term discount deals. However the models that are new which go into them do go on general retail sale. So you don't miss out. Age of Sigmar did have some odd issues where a few boxes took a year (which is the current longest timeline and quite abnormal) to get to retail release. However in general the turn-around time is much shorter. I would expect several of the kits in Indomitus (if not all) to appear very quickly for individual sale. Things like warriors for the Necrons are bread-and-butter core units that they need.

Think of it like a short term sale period; sales don't last forever and they are a right pain if you miss them. However they are neat way to drum up interest. Plus you don't miss out because you can buy the models later. The nly thing you miss is the discount price.


Furthermore I should note that duel boxes mean that people end up with spare halves; so you can hit up ebay and facebook and forums to find people willing and eager to swap/sell their half that they don't want. Right now on FB there are quite a few sets swapping hands - you might pay £50 (rare at best) to £70 (high end but still considered fair price) for one "half" of the models. Prices can go higher but that's "normally" scalpers or the inexperienced overpricing.

All true BUT there is a massive difference. This is the new edition. It is the core of the whole business. It is the one product that every single 40K player needs and wants. By launching this first, instead of with a proper roll out, they have split their own fanbase and led to some getting it and some not. Let's be honest how many will have just shrugged their shoulders and thought "oh well I'll just get the BRB for now and see what happens". Some but a great many are thinking "f*** you GW I want in on the ground floor, on release day. It's the new edition, the thing that literally let's me play the damn game. Why should I have to wait weeks for some substandard set when you promised me everyone could have this?" This is a community in which a lot of people REALLY care, it is central to their lives. This is a complete and utter d*** move. If they had either a) released it as part of the full release so you could either have the standard set or, if you were lucky, pick up the special edition or b) produced enough to fulfil their clear promise of their being enough for everyone I wouldn't care. With a) you might not get the limited minis but you would get your starter set or with b) everyone is happy. This is a complete and utter disaster. They are launching their flagship, core product with only a minority or at best maybe half their fans having the set at release. When is the next chance to get any kind of starter? Apparently August. If I'm a diehard, it's my life 40K player, then I'm absolutely raging "why the hell can't I have a starter set on release???" By doing it this way they have de facto made Indomitus the starter set. Everyone wants one because it is the 9th edition of their favourite game. And naturally they want it on release, plus they were promised they could have it. So make them wait months then? Why on earth would you do that? These are people who simply won't be satisfied with the BRB, they want the plastic crack. If you don't release the starter til Christmas or whenever then your fanbase is now split between those who got their crack and those who didn't. Those with get on and play, those without seeth resentfully. I bet a lot simply won't play because they feel so p***ed off and why would you want to play against someone who will gloat and rub your nose in it that they got the great new minis with the great rules and you didn't? They could buy the BRB alone but this is 40K and we do starter sets, with big discounts and lovely new figs in them. If I can't get that then buying the BRB is just being fobbed off. I honestly don't know if they think they'd achieved b, if so then their market research is back to the awful place it was.

It is not just one army or some side campaign launching here, it is the new edition. No sane business launches something so core to their whole profitability in a way that instantly alienates and enrages a whole large chunk of their fanbase. Do they really want the interweb lit up with huge numbers complaining while watching eBay fill up with gloating scalpers preying so hideously on their loyal customers who are being effectively mocked and tempted to pay way way over the odds for something they were told repeatedly would be available to everyone.

It's a monumental car crash and I honestly think they have caused themselves enormous harm, at the very least they've wrecked the launch of their new flagship with acrimony, anger and resentment. Plus changed it from a big bang, we're all in it, excitement into a haves and have nots, some with the rules, some without, etc. I get why they do it for non core releases but this is a disaster pure and simple. They need to move really, really quickly to reassure the fans that they can have this and they can have it within a reasonable time frame, like days. Any more delay and division and it is going to hit them very, very hard.


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 Bosskelot wrote:
One thing has really become clear to me after yesterday and that is the absolute refusal of some people to support or use independent stockists.

I have two independent FLGS nearby, as well as a GW store. I saw people on facebook gnashing their teeth and tearing their hair out over the site going down or stuff being out of stock, meanwhile both of those two FLGS had Indomitus pre-orders going for like, 3 hours. In fact both of them gauged interest long beforehand by asking how many people/who would be interested in pre-ordering. As far as I know they've easily filled all of their pre-orders and actually are still keeping some in stock for release week because they over-ordered just to be safe.

But no, despite having plenty of chances to put their names down for a box, I've seen about a dozen local players just throw tantrums about not being to pre-order at 10am on the GW site on Saturday.

This is just mainly a vent at how some people don't want to actually support their local independent businesses who have been struggling in the midst of a global pandemic. feth those people. They can buy their gakky Space Marines for £1000 on Ebay for all I care. Hell, I'll be generous and sell my Indomitus Marines to them for £500 cuz I'm a nice guy.

I waited patiently for my local FLGS to put their preorder up, because I ALWAYS use them and I thought I had a good relationship with them. They put up everything but the box and I thought "Oh no they've not got an allocation or maybe they took preorders instore??" then they did put the box up, with no discount. No warning in advance that they would not honour their commitment on the damn banner on their website which they always, always apply. Nothing. Plus they delayed long enough (just a few minutes) to be sure that their loyal customers had no chance to quickly switch to another local seller who did discount as normal. They basically put a gun to their customers' heads and said "take it or leave it". If that is the sort of disgusting, sharp practice my local supposedly trustworthy, friendly store is sinking to then frankly they can get far lost. I put one in the basket and then thought "no f____ you I'm not being treated like this" and walked away. I didn't get my box, but even if I have ordered with them there is zero guarantee I'd get it, they may well have ended up short on stock. I would have gone elsewhere or used GW for security of supply. Might be just one bad example but really and honestly. I quickly checked all the other local stores and all sold out completely. So I missed out thanks to my own shop, the one I had spent a huge amount of money in and been totally loyal to trying to scalp me. I don't think I'll ever buy their again. I worked out that they probably made a few thousand with that d*** move, perhaps £5k but I spend well over £1k EVERY year there so they have now lost out on a loyal customer.

Isengard wrote:

All true BUT there is a massive difference. This is the new edition. It is the core of the whole business. It is the one product that every single 40K player needs and wants.

The boxed set only has Necrons and Space Marines in it. Tyranid, Sisters of Battle, Ork, Eldar, Dark Eldar etc.... anyone who isn't playing those two armies doesn't need Indomitus. Unless their only interest is the basically free rulebook, at which point the models they get will likely be sold on secondhand for the market that does want them.

GW also put the regular rulebook and the chapter approved up for sale as well on the same day. So anyone that doesn't want to buy secondhand or buy Indomitus just to split it for the book can just get the books directly right now from GW or their local store. Sure Marines are a major market for GW, but they aren't the entire market. Plus, yet again, this is only a discount boxed set its not the only things being released for 9th edition.


As for your local not discounting you further ontop of the discount Indomitus already offers, honestly that just sounds like sour grapes from you. Especially considering even major 3rd party retailers have lowered or removed their GW discount. Stores lost out on months of sales and suffered supply issues and such. Maybe you kept buying warhammer from your local during the lockdown ,but you can bet casual walk-in purchases went down and things like opportunistic sales of card game packs and tournament card boxes (Eg booster draft) all went down and are likely going to remain down for a considerable period of time until stores can do gaming again. Heck considering how many stores rely heavily on card games they are likely really suffering; esp when Wizards is pushing more and more for their new online option.

Got mine pre-ordered from my not quite local indie, only really wanted the book, might hold onto the Marines and sell/swap Necrons locally

Only concern is getting cast out of the insufferable gw-haters club, good job its only imaginary

 Overread wrote:
Far as I can tell the "second run" is simply GW producing the single print run in two batches. Likely as a result of Corona meaning that they have to split packing for Indomitus with the rest of the model range. Remembering that they lost several months of production and packing in the warehouse and then had a massive shortfall of stock after reopening coupled to reduced staff working in the warehouse.

So this second wave is likely supposed to be front loaded for this week, but was put back to make room so that GW could keep the rest of the model lines in stock on their website, as best they can.

So much this. People really under estimate the lead times on products and an unexpected production halt (especially of months) will really throw a spanner in the works.

 kodos wrote:

Icegoat wrote:
There is no second run people have latched onto something that is totally untrue.

there are shops who already take pre-orders for a second run shipped on August, so something must be there, if it is really another production run or just somehting that is already on stock but meant to be shipped later or the real 2-player starter set is something we don't know yet

and GW is constantly lying to the costumer, but people just don't care, because GW is still seen as the friendly garage-company start-up that must be forgiven because they don't have figured it out yet

Do you even really understand what you're saying here? GW is considered a friendly garage startup?

Just, no.

I have never seen a game do so well by a community, that by all standards I can imagine, is objectively hated by the (at least mostly) vocal community on the internet?

Just, no. It's ok if you're upset you didn't get what you wanted (or maybe you did, I don't know) but pretending that people are looking favorably upon GW is clearly bereft of any observation of the community reaction to this.

Isengard wrote:
This is the new edition. It is the core of the whole business. It is the one product that every single 40K player needs and wants.

Just to reiterrate what has been said by others....This is not "the new edition". I play Drukhari, my interest in this box set was exactly zero, and while I am in the minority, I am not alone in this. 9th edition launches when the books are available to buy separately.

It was obviously going to happen once it was revealed the box would be so cheap.

Personally think GW could have easily charged £200, maybe even £250. Or whatever double is in your respective currency - and they'd have still got through the stock (although, perhaps not in half an hour.)

But then we'd have had threads about how GW was ripping off people who for some reason have been playing this expensive hobby for years and years, but their plastic addiction means they can't afford to eat.