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 harlokin wrote:
Is it likely that the Forgeworld vehicles will be in our new codex?

No.

So this weeks seems to be lore preview week. Can we expect the preorder on the 13th?

 Denegaar wrote:
So this weeks seems to be lore preview week. Can we expect the preorder on the 13th?

Sounds like a plan.....the anticipation is painful

As a new DE player, what would the best plan be for running Kabal? I wanna keep stuff simple and keep units coherent in theme, so im sticking to a single sub-faction. I realize that it is super sub-optimal to do so, but that's the restriction I set for myself.

So far I own the following:
Drahzar
An Archon
40 Kabal Warriors
10 Incubi
2 Ur Ghuls
10 Scourges
2 Venoms
3 Raiders

What would be best to flesh out this force further? I realize it's too early to tell how 9th will change the army with the new codex, but is there any serious gaps so far in my list? (I am probably only running 30 of the 40 warriors, I just own 40 for wargear purposes

Hello mate.

You have some nice stuff, and as you said it's difficult to say with any real certainty until our new codex is out.

You might want to consider some Ravagers, as you are a bit lacking in reliable anti-tank. You could field quite a few Blasters, but I find them somewhat inconsistent, and we know they haven't benefitted from the same damage increase as Dark Lances. Scourges at the moment are too fragile to do the job, but that may change.

If you don't mind finecast, I would seriously consider some Mandrakes and maybe a Sslyth.

 harlokin wrote:
Hello mate.

You have some nice stuff, and as you said it's difficult to say with any real certainty until our new codex is out.

You might want to consider some Ravagers, as you are a bit lacking in reliable anti-tank. You could field quite a few Blasters, but I find them somewhat inconsistent, and we know they haven't benefitted from the same damage increase as Dark Lances. Scourges at the moment are too fragile to do the job, but that may change.

If you don't mind finecast, I would seriously consider some Mandrakes and maybe a Sslyth.

I am heavily considering Ssylths, and I LOVE the Raider/Ravager kit, so I seriously do not mind getting 2-3 of them. For scourges I am more so getting them for 1. Painting, 2. Padding out lists since im mono-subfaction and 3. I think they have a place in terms of playing the mission. A deepstriking infantry with high movement and fly could make some serious plays in terms of objective play in later turns, especially with things like deploy scramblers, engage on all fronts or even just some sneaky backfield dunking.

The Raider and the Ravager kit are different, as far as I know.

Being mono-subfaction, mercenaries give you the help you need to make a complete list. In your case, Incubi and Drazhar give you the melee you are short of because of the Kabal.

I use a Reaper now, but probably buying a couple Ravagers if they are as good as they appear to be with 3 Dark Lances.

 Denegaar wrote:
The Raider and the Ravager kit are different, as far as I know.

Being mono-subfaction, mercenaries give you the help you need to make a complete list. In your case, Incubi and Drazhar give you the melee you are short of because of the Kabal.

I use a Reaper now, but probably buying a couple Ravagers if they are as good as they appear to be with 3 Dark Lances.

The ravager kit is the raider kit plus one additional sprue.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/01/there-are-a-million-ways-to-die-in-commorragh-here-are-our-favourites/

 Amishprn86 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/01/there-are-a-million-ways-to-die-in-commorragh-here-are-our-favourites/

Hooray!

So, preorder on the 20th.

I am an old-school DE player. I'm kind of keeping my fingers crossed that there isn't something new and super cool that I can't make fit the 3rd edition feel.

I've started building my first 5 Scourges today and I just realized again that our models are the most awesome.

And they are in so many boxes that they are as cheap as they can get.

 Denegaar wrote:
I've started building my first 5 Scourges today and I just realized again that our models are the most awesome.

And they are in so many boxes that they are as cheap as they can get.

Sooooooooooooooooooo any instruction booklet with those mad lads by any chance?

the_scotsman wrote:

 Denegaar wrote:
I've started building my first 5 Scourges today and I just realized again that our models are the most awesome.

And they are in so many boxes that they are as cheap as they can get.

Sooooooooooooooooooo any instruction booklet with those mad lads by any chance?

As I recall they are pretty straightforward......could be wrong.

Nonetheless, they are lovely scupts that really deserve better rules.

Nah, I wish.

Is it public already? I don't think I've seen the booklet of the Scourges already.

 Denegaar wrote:
Nah, I wish.

Is it public already? I don't think I've seen the booklet of the Scourges already.

Nope, not yet. I just can't imagine that they will be as underwhelming in 9th...... the buff to Shredders is good for them if nothing else.

And the low cost.

A little tweak to their statlines and a way to buff Poison... and 60 points for a deepstriking unit that flies and shoots 15 poison darts could be good.

27th for the book drop? Well at the very least I should have my army almost entirely painted by then!

Scourges will probably just get “Ignore movement penalties for moving and firing heavy weapons”.

If they keep Ghostplate Armour a thing, they might have a 3+ save, which isn’t terrible if you deep strike them into cover.

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
Scourges will probably just get “Ignore movement penalties for moving and firing heavy weapons”.

If they keep Ghostplate Armour a thing, they might have a 3+ save, which isn’t terrible if you deep strike them into cover.

I think it is worth noting that a while back I heard a super-salty rumor that Eldar were going to have a rule that was an answer to the marines' various suites of rules with bolter discipline atsknf etc, which would be

"if any unit moves, it is -1 to hit and infantry ignore the penalty to moving and firing heavy weapons

If any unit doesn't move, it gains +1 to hit rolls."

I can't help but feel like GW really likes moving whatever is the worst weapon atm and making it the best weapon, and whatever is the best weapon leaving it the same so it's no longer the best weapon. and Kabalites have been spamming blasters and nothing else for eeeeeeeeeeeeever...we know blasters are staying the same, shredders are seeing a buff, but SC's are moving to Heavy...maybe everything IS going to ignore the move and shoot heavy penalty? And maybe Power from Pain is going to be ported over and become our "Doctrines-Equivalent" rule instead of our baseline everyone gets it rule?

How many Incubi for an all kabal list would be good? Got 10, and can get 10 more.is 20 a solid amount or too many?

I always play 5-10 in my lists, but I play an alliance of agony and have enough melee.

Ten, with Drazhar, should kill whatever you need them to kill, though.

How should I transport draz with them? 10 in a raider, then 9 kabalites and draz in another?

And since im running mostly ranged would 20 be fine then?

Well, IMO, depending on how do you want to use them.

If you send Drazhar with them, you can put 9 + Draz in a Raider. Kabalites and Drazhar don't want to go in the same boat, as they want to be in different places during the game.

You can put Drazhar + other HQs into a Venom and the 10 Incubi in the Raider. Maybe this is the most common sense, as 9 Incubi and Drazhar into a boat makes it a huge problem for the enemy... and normally people is going to focus it hard.

Do we want to make a new thread when the new book comes out?

I always run Drazhar and 9 Incubi in a raider. It’s definitely a huge target in an army of multiple, small, semi-annoying targets.

The key is to hide it behind some line of sight blocking terrain until the right time to deploy them. You can’t blow your load too early. They need to hit their intended target at the right time.

Don’t anticipate that they will live after they destroy their target. Think of them more as a guided missile, seek and destroy.

The big thing with DE is to not rely specifically on any one thing, because everything in the army does too easily to be reliable.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Do we want to make a new thread when the new book comes out?

Probably for the best given the amount of change it will bring

I haven't played my Dark Eldar since 5th Edition. Didn't Raiders used to have a deep strike ability? If they brought that back, and let passengers disembark on the same turn (drop pod style), would that help at all?

Theres a strat that still allows raiders to deep strike, but you count as moving so you can’t disembark after the fact.

There’s also a strat to deep strike infantry via webway portal.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Do we want to make a new thread when the new book comes out?

I think it would be a nice idea, fresh start for our 9th