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 Latro_ wrote:
I wonder if the new CORE keyword will replace 'ob sec' style rules instead of the troops role.

Why would they?


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 Sasori wrote:
From reddit, snippit from the first codex preview Makes me feel a lot less optimistic than I did earlier about things like MWBD not being affected by this.

Spoiler:

Psychic Powers:

Veil of Time: Unaffected

Might of Heroes: Core or Character

Null Zone: Not applicable

Psychic Scourge: Not applicable

Fury of the Ancients: Not Applicable

Psychic Fortress: Cut off but seems unaffected

Note- The Obscuration Discipline seems to be unchanged on this front, but I can only see 2 powers.

Litanies

Litany of Hate: Core or Character

Litany of Faith: Core or Character

Catechism of Fire: Core or Character

Exhortation of Rage: Core or Character (Note, this is gonna be +1 to wound in melee on 1 unit)

Mantra of Strength: Not Applicable

Recitation of Focus: Core or Character

Canticle of Hate: Core or Character

Warlord Traits

Storm of Fire: Core only

ERJAK wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
I wonder if the new CORE keyword will replace 'ob sec' style rules instead of the troops role.

Why would they?


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Sasori wrote:
From reddit, snippit from the first codex preview Makes me feel a lot less optimistic than I did earlier about things like MWBD not being affected by this.

Spoiler:

Psychic Powers:

Veil of Time: Unaffected

Might of Heroes: Core or Character

Null Zone: Not applicable

Psychic Scourge: Not applicable

Fury of the Ancients: Not Applicable

Psychic Fortress: Cut off but seems unaffected

Note- The Obscuration Discipline seems to be unchanged on this front, but I can only see 2 powers.

Litanies

Litany of Hate: Core or Character

Litany of Faith: Core or Character

Catechism of Fire: Core or Character

Exhortation of Rage: Core or Character (Note, this is gonna be +1 to wound in melee on 1 unit)

Mantra of Strength: Not Applicable

Recitation of Focus: Core or Character

Canticle of Hate: Core or Character

Warlord Traits

Storm of Fire: Core only

ERJAK wrote:
If they hit imagifiers with that and basically every infantry model in the codex isn't core, that could instantly kill off every Valorous heart and Argent shroud list entirely.

If anything Dominions, Retributors and even Celestians are all but guaranteed to be since they're basically battle sisters with a slightly tweaked focus.

More likely though you can probably expect the vehicles and characters not to get it, which will probably undercut the Valorous Heart perhaps just enough to see the other Orders on the table.

Of course, that assumes they're going to apply core retroactively to everybody and not introduce them as new codexes come out, which I don't believe they're doing.

 Captain Joystick wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
If they hit imagifiers with that and basically every infantry model in the codex isn't core, that could instantly kill off every Valorous heart and Argent shroud list entirely.

If anything Dominions, Retributors and even Celestians are all but guaranteed to be since they're basically battle sisters with a slightly tweaked focus.

More likely though you can probably expect the vehicles and characters not to get it, which will probably undercut the Valorous Heart perhaps just enough to see the other Orders on the table.

Of course, that assumes they're going to apply core retroactively to everybody and not introduce them as new codexes come out, which I don't believe they're doing.

Valorous heart never really benefited vehicles that much anyway. It gave a lot of guard lists fits but most army's anti-tank is AP-3 or better. All this would do for VH lists is cause you to switch to Retributors in all cases instead of it being meta dependent. Also, it doesn't assume a FAQ, it assumes that they're not making significant structural changes or meaningful points changes to the codex, which with the SoB book they kind of don't really need to. Everything in the book sort of just works now that they fixed heavy bolters and multimeltas being godawful. The only thing they really need to update is the Sacred Rose and MAYBE OoML order conviction and a handful of relics/warlord traits.

Sidebar: Bloody rose is the more competitive list right now and the only aura they really care about is the priest's. Which would be hilarious if they're stingey with core "Here's a +1 attack aura that works on...nothing that wants to be in melee!"

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Cultists are garbage tho

Because they're overpriced. Which only started because they were deemed 'too good' with Legion traits. But they don't get those anymore. Or a lot of strats.

If they get repriced as the 'guardsmen with even fewer benefits, options and support' they actually are, they don't have to be bad.

And since there are fluff reasons to not consider them core (in a chaos marine list, if lotd happen, obviously they'll be core there), it solves a lot of issues with worrying about the extra cost because they might possibly benefit from buffs that aren't aimed at them.

 Captain Joystick wrote:


Of course, that assumes they're going to apply core retroactively to everybody and not introduce them as new codexes come out, which I don't believe they're doing.

Gw said they roll these out with codexes. No reason to think that's not the case

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/18/battlezone-pariah-the-story-so-far/

"Whether you’re a fan of Crusade or just enjoy reading all about the ever-evolving background of Warhammer 40,000, make sure you pre-order your copy next weekend. On that note, check back with us in a few days to learn more about Beyond the Veil in our Sunday Preview!"

So the crusade expansion Beyond the Veil will be up for preorder next weekend so maybe we will get the four ETB models with it?

Matrindur wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/18/battlezone-pariah-the-story-so-far/

"Whether you’re a fan of Crusade or just enjoy reading all about the ever-evolving background of Warhammer 40,000, make sure you pre-order your copy next weekend. On that note, check back with us in a few days to learn more about Beyond the Veil in our Sunday Preview!"

So the crusade expansion Beyond the Veil will be up for preorder next weekend so maybe we will get the four ETB models with it?

Yeah, this seems like a fine time to release the Lokhust and Doomstalker kits.

Sisters of Silence in the Pariah zone?

"It's not that bad. I'm not saying I'd like to build a summer home here, but the lack of chaotic monstrosities is actually quite lovely."

Crons are gonna turn the Sisters of Silence into the new updated Pariahs.

 jspyd3rx wrote:
Crons are gonna turn the Sisters of Silence into the new updated Pariahs.

You know, I would like that.

Cryptek of Awesome wrote:

Sisters of Silence in the Pariah zone?

It's just reused art. Nothing to see here.

We have a general AoS release thread, but still none for 40K so... here'll have to do!

Up for pre-order this weekend:

Crusade book

"This is the first narrative Mission Pack for Crusade, and it includes 24 exciting missions for you to play at four different game sizes (six for each). It contains extra Agendas, Battle Traits, Relics, and Battle Scars, as well as all-new rules for Afflictions and Theatre of War rules for the Pariah Nexus, making it perfect for theming your games in this strange and deadly region of space."

Tactical Deployment

"Along with 18 brand-new missions for all sizes of game,* the Mission Pack includes extensive rules for playing Tactical Deployment games, focusing on Tactical Terrain. Now, you bring your own terrain to the battle and, depending on the type, it will have specific rules."

Tactical Datasheet Cards (oh God...)

"This set of cards includes narrative and matched play terrain rules for a range of Manufactorum pieces. It also features rules for three different Battlezones. Whatever kind of player you are, you’ll want to grab these cards to take your terrain to the next level."

Battlezone: Manufactorum – Vertigus

"Along with 24 individual pieces of terrain, the kit also includes two double-sided game boards for you to play on, making it perfect for Combat Patrol- and Incursion-sized games."

Battlezone: Manufactorum – Sub-cloister and Storage Fane + Battlezone: Manufactorum – Sanctum Administratus

"The Sub-cloister and Storage Fane were originally in the Warhammer 40,000 Command Edition box, and are now available separately for the first time, giving you additional flexibility when it comes to building your battlefield. The Sanctum Administratus is based on the Sector Imperialis Manufactorum, but contains additional sprues, meaning you can construct an incredible three-storey ruin."

Battlezone: Manufactorum - Munitorum Armoured Containers + Battlezone: Manufactorum – Conservators

"Finally, we have some old favourites being reboxed. The Munitorum Armoured Containers have always been popular (they finished 7th in 2016’s model of the year poll!), while the terrain in the Battlezone: Manufactorum – Conservators kit has been seen in countless dioramas."

Wonder where the Servo-Hauler's crane sprue went. I do hope the Armoured Containers didn't get a shiny new price to go along with their box. The Sanctum Administratus just looks like the current Manufactorum with an extra sprue. And then there are those cards...

So my local GW manager confirmed to me today that assault intercessor kits are gonna be 100% with tactical intercessors so we'll be able to mix and match freely from those kits. not a suprise but good to know. In his words "I'm looking forward to having rifle intercessors who are running"

They said the legs'd work with regular Intercessors on the stream.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They said the legs'd work with regular Intercessors on the stream.

explains it, I didn't catch the stream. still it's nice. now if we can only get GW to produce some additional intercessor kits we might be able to produce more varity in our squads and poses

BrianDavion wrote:
explains it, I didn't catch the stream. still it's nice. now if we can only get GW to produce some additional intercessor kits we might be able to produce more varity in our squads and poses

Be careful what you wish for. An Intercessor kit with all the available Sergeant options sounds like a good idea, but won't once you realise that it jumps a price bracket or two to include them, even if the Marines themselves don't change at all.

Of the new releases? Liking the single Container and Hauler configuration.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Of the new releases? Liking the single Container and Hauler configuration.

Worries me that the crane is gone.

It’s a mix/match new set so far as I can see?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s a mix/match new set so far as I can see?

So is the current Necromunda Dark Uprising box, and the pipes in that are no longer available. I'm worried the same fate will befall the crane.

Battlezone: Manufactorum – Sub-cloister and Storage Fane – £35

Battlezone: Manufactorum – Sanctum Administratus – £50

Battlezone: Manufactorum – Vertigus – £90

Battlezone: Manufactorum – Munitorum Armoured Containers – £32.5 (Which is actually less than the current £35 with the same content)

Battlezone: Manufactorum – Conservators – £25

Chapter Approved Mission Pack – Tactical Deployment – £25

Crusade Mission Pack – Beyond the Veil – £25

Battlezone: Manufactorum – Terrain Datasheet Cards – £15

Feeling pretty happy with that. A couple of weeks ago I came very close to buying two of the new battlefield expansion sets + containers for £109. Now Vertigus plus the reboxed containers give me most of the same stuff for £92.

Anyone else wondering what the hell happened to the extra easy build kits?

Dudeface wrote:
Anyone else wondering what the hell happened to the extra easy build kits?

At this point I assume they'll be the wave to drop alongside the Codexes.

Does anyone else think that we'll get an ophydian lord model since we have a destroyer and a skropekh destroyer lord?

OOH, it would seem to follow the pattern we've seen.

OTOH, do we need another HQ? (Hint: Hell no!)

Still, given the differences in deployment and speed between ophydians and skorpekhs, a skorpekh lord can't deploy as these do or keep up with them, so if they have a buff leader they'd need one of their own.

Matrindur wrote:
Battlezone: Manufactorum – Vertigus – £90

Well I was going to get two...

It's the same price as the AdMech starter box, or $250. That's not cheap.

I was looking at the Sanctum Administratus, and cant really tell what added sprues there are. Looks like still 2 mechanicus style walls and at least one floor. maybe a second floor sprue vs the manufactorum?

At least Vertigus contains the command edition terrain plus a second set of pipes, what looks like a new pair of corner building ruins, and the comm array.

I was hoping for the ETB kits to be part of this release, especially with the focus on the pariah veil.

Probably just the crusade pack and one set of vertigus will do for me. Save money for the actual codex releases.

Dudeface wrote:
Anyone else wondering what the hell happened to the extra easy build kits?

Not sure. They had just hinted at them again, so I thought they might be coming. But I guess its october for everything, then.

I assumed last week's lull was to ramp up plastic production (either upcoming or stuff that's still out of stock- it seems silly to launch codexes with large chunks of the necron and even SM range 'temporality out of stock').

We did know some of this terrain was coming, and at least one of the booklets.

Voss wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Anyone else wondering what the hell happened to the extra easy build kits?

Not sure. They had just hinted at them again, so I thought they might be coming. But I guess its october for everything, then.

I assumed last week's lull was to ramp up plastic production (either upcoming or stuff that's still out of stock- it seems silly to launch codexes with large chunks of the necron and even SM range 'temporality out of stock').

We did know some of this terrain was coming, and at least one of the booklets.

They planned this lull long time ago. Not in　response to any out of stock issues.