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 nintura wrote:
seems like chief apothecary is busted bringing back full aggressors.... marines have necron schtick now. All for 105 point'ish

They look Sweet. Heal a full 3 wounds, 6+ FNP aura, revive two models a turn with no CP. That’s tasty.

 nintura wrote:
seems like chief apothecary is busted bringing back full aggressors.... marines have necron schtick now. All for 105 point'ish

IDK about that, so far I haven't seen a game with very good necron armies IMO. The stalkers and doomscythes seem pretty amazing for ranged support. A pair of doom scythes can kill gravis pretty quickly.

The apothecary is really good though.

 AduroT wrote:

 nintura wrote:
seems like chief apothecary is busted bringing back full aggressors.... marines have necron schtick now. All for 105 point'ish

They look Sweet. Heal a full 3 wounds, 6+ FNP aura, revive two models a turn with no CP. That’s tasty.

yeah.... tasty. what a load

 nintura wrote:
seems like chief apothecary is busted bringing back full aggressors.... marines have necron schtick now. All for 105 point'ish

Yeah, the Apoc seems pretty busted.

 Red Corsair wrote:

The worst offender so far in the marine book is duty eternal stock on all dreads... That is just stupid.

having only 1 captain per detachment is also huge. It stops the triple smash fether BS. Or at least makes it very hard to pull.

1 Sadly it's not as the damage output is way too high, it's very necessary, hopefully other codex's get something similar.

2 That actually has a work around in the CM can have a captain in the same detachment, so noy as nerfed as it was made to sound like.

Ice_can wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

The worst offender so far in the marine book is duty eternal stock on all dreads... That is just stupid.

having only 1 captain per detachment is also huge. It stops the triple smash fether BS. Or at least makes it very hard to pull.

1 Sadly it's not as the damage output is way too high, it's very necessary, hopefully other codex's get something similar.

2 That actually has a work around in the CM can have a captain in the same detachment, so noy as nerfed as it was made to sound like.

Im aware of the chapter master, but nobody is paying +40 on top of that guys gear and tossing him in the front lines, remember characters don't gain the rerolls since they are not core so they will whiff more with the hammer.

I also disagree with the dreads needing it. -1 damage is a lazy fix and makes redemptors wave serpents only they also gained range strength and shots on onsloughts as well as min 4 damage on melee attacks. It's stupid, plus they can be repaired lol.

 AduroT wrote:

 nintura wrote:
seems like chief apothecary is busted bringing back full aggressors.... marines have necron schtick now. All for 105 point'ish

They look Sweet. Heal a full 3 wounds, 6+ FNP aura, revive two models a turn with no CP. That’s tasty.

That's wrong, they can only revive through stratagem now. It's 2 heals (with Chief Apothecary) an a revive.

DanielFM wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

 nintura wrote:
seems like chief apothecary is busted bringing back full aggressors.... marines have necron schtick now. All for 105 point'ish

They look Sweet. Heal a full 3 wounds, 6+ FNP aura, revive two models a turn with no CP. That’s tasty.

That's wrong, they can only revive through stratagem now. It's 2 heals (with Chief Apothecary) an a revive.

Ah, yep, you’re right, heal twice, revive once. Also, you can’t heal the same model more than once a turn.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

The worst offender so far in the marine book is duty eternal stock on all dreads... That is just stupid.

having only 1 captain per detachment is also huge. It stops the triple smash fether BS. Or at least makes it very hard to pull.

1 Sadly it's not as the damage output is way too high, it's very necessary, hopefully other codex's get something similar.

2 That actually has a work around in the CM can have a captain in the same detachment, so noy as nerfed as it was made to sound like.

Im aware of the chapter master, but nobody is paying +40 on top of that guys gear and tossing him in the front lines, remember characters don't gain the rerolls since they are not core so they will whiff more with the hammer.

I also disagree with the dreads needing it. -1 damage is a lazy fix and makes redemptors wave serpents only they also gained range strength and shots on onsloughts as well as min 4 damage on melee attacks. It's stupid, plus they can be repaired lol.

How else would you suggest they fix the damage inflation they have rammed into the game with these codex's meaning you have way more firepower, ti the point that all gladiouses are apparently unplayable (marine player's assesment) predators didn't survive even before this damager per point increase.
It also does help tone down the take autocannons shoot everything = profit.

Unfortunately it does sadly highlight that despite GW's marking BS 9th edition with an 8th edition codex won't work, and certainly wound be competitive for a lot of factions.

Ice_can wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

The worst offender so far in the marine book is duty eternal stock on all dreads... That is just stupid.

having only 1 captain per detachment is also huge. It stops the triple smash fether BS. Or at least makes it very hard to pull.

1 Sadly it's not as the damage output is way too high, it's very necessary, hopefully other codex's get something similar.

2 That actually has a work around in the CM can have a captain in the same detachment, so noy as nerfed as it was made to sound like.

Im aware of the chapter master, but nobody is paying +40 on top of that guys gear and tossing him in the front lines, remember characters don't gain the rerolls since they are not core so they will whiff more with the hammer.

I also disagree with the dreads needing it. -1 damage is a lazy fix and makes redemptors wave serpents only they also gained range strength and shots on onsloughts as well as min 4 damage on melee attacks. It's stupid, plus they can be repaired lol.

How else would you suggest they fix the damage inflation they have rammed into the game with these codex's meaning you have way more firepower, ti the point that all gladiouses are apparently unplayable (marine player's assesment) predators didn't survive even before this damager per point increase.
It also does help tone down the take autocannons shoot everything = profit.

Unfortunately it does sadly highlight that despite GW's marking BS 9th edition with an 8th edition codex won't work, and certainly wound be competitive for a lot of factions.

By not making weapons as powerful lol.

Instead in typical GW fashion they give the redemptor, for example, a d3+3 damage CCW and they increase the fire rate, strength and range of it's guns. So expect other amries guns to get that much worse because of stupid rules like duty eternal.

 Red Corsair wrote:

By not making weapons as powerful lol.

Instead in typical GW fashion they give the redemptor, for example, a d3+3 damage CCW and they increase the fire rate, strength and range of it's guns. So expect other amries guns to get that much worse because of stupid rules like duty eternal.

You think it's bad playing marines, try playing one of the other armies that are no doubt going to be stuck with non functional, uncompetitive codex for atleast the next year.

This really isnt a soft tidy up that GW marketing pedalled, this is a new design paradigm that isnt backwords compatable for codex's.

What is unclear to me how the successors interact with unit restrictions and bespoke options. Like for example if I make a homebrew chapter with custom chapter tactics and declare that they are Dark Angels successor, can that chapter take units the DA are prohibited from taking? Or can they take the DA specific loadout on the primaris captain?

 Crimson wrote:
What is unclear to me how the successors interact with unit restrictions and bespoke options. Like for example if I make a homebrew chapter with custom chapter tactics and declare that they are Dark Angels successor, can that chapter take units the DA are prohibited from taking? Or can they take the DA specific loadout on the primaris captain?

The restriction list specifically states that Successors are affected by the same restrictions. Both Dark Angels and Space Wolves say "(or any of their Successor Chapters)".

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
What is unclear to me how the successors interact with unit restrictions and bespoke options. Like for example if I make a homebrew chapter with custom chapter tactics and declare that they are Dark Angels successor, can that chapter take units the DA are prohibited from taking? Or can they take the DA specific loadout on the primaris captain?

The restriction list specifically states that Successors are affected by the same restrictions.

Makes sense. But can they take the chapter specific gear options of their parent? At least DA and SW have such.

Tiny question on the Necron codex:

Am I right that about half of the Background pages are not in the book? The Glossary only has about 37 pages compared to the 68 of previous edition.

So C'tan have the character keyword and with their max 3 wounds per phase rule, ouch. Those things won't be going to down anything short of Gulliman or Ghaz. I can see one in every list even at 350pts a pop.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
What is unclear to me how the successors interact with unit restrictions and bespoke options. Like for example if I make a homebrew chapter with custom chapter tactics and declare that they are Dark Angels successor, can that chapter take units the DA are prohibited from taking? Or can they take the DA specific loadout on the primaris captain?

The restriction list specifically states that Successors are affected by the same restrictions. Both Dark Angels and Space Wolves say "(or any of their Successor Chapters)".

Which is stupid. If you dont want Sternguard in your Dark Angels successor, JUST DON'T TAKE THEM.

 buddha wrote:
So C'tan have the character keyword and with their max 3 wounds per phase rule, ouch. Those things won't be going to down anything short of Gulliman or Ghaz. I can see one in every list even at 350pts a pop.

they can be targeted. they do not benefit from look out sir either. or at least it seems that way from the game today.

 McMagnus Mindbullets wrote:
Aggressors will still definitely find a place in some armies. They'll still be good in sallies+IF.

Just far less of an auto-include (as most of the book is turning into, overly better balanced choices)

edit- most

Why would you ever run them in a IF list now? They are terrible at STR 4 and no AP. Maybe Salamanders, it no one will actually run the. Now if they want to be competitive. It only are they slower but their firepower was literally cut by 50%. They were nerfed harder than any unit in the both Codexes.

For anyone who is interested, I've compiled the points changes for the 9th edition Necron codex in an excel spreadsheet here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11CfDHTAnK2JxFJIu2eXWuNep8MzUkUxh/view?usp=sharing

Please let me know if you have trouble accessing the link.

Quick reference: green highlight means a point decrease, red highlight a point increase, yellow highlight means the points stayed the same.

 nintura wrote:

 buddha wrote:
So C'tan have the character keyword and with their max 3 wounds per phase rule, ouch. Those things won't be going to down anything short of Gulliman or Ghaz. I can see one in every list even at 350pts a pop.

they can be targeted. they do not benefit from look out sir either. or at least it seems that way from the game today.

Yup - they confirmed that in the MWG codex breakdown - under the enslaved star god rule they don't benefit from look out sir rule.

 nintura wrote:

 buddha wrote:
So C'tan have the character keyword and with their max 3 wounds per phase rule, ouch. Those things won't be going to down anything short of Gulliman or Ghaz. I can see one in every list even at 350pts a pop.

they can be targeted. they do not benefit from look out sir either. or at least it seems that way from the game today.

.

Looking at the book I can't see a restriction they don't benefit from LoS. If anyone can point to it I'd be very appreciative.

 buddha wrote:

 nintura wrote:

 buddha wrote:
So C'tan have the character keyword and with their max 3 wounds per phase rule, ouch. Those things won't be going to down anything short of Gulliman or Ghaz. I can see one in every list even at 350pts a pop.

they can be targeted. they do not benefit from look out sir either. or at least it seems that way from the game today.

.

Looking at the book I can't see a restriction they don't benefit from LoS. If anyone can point to it I'd be very appreciative.

it's in their datasheets, enslaved star god.

It's in their data sheet, nevermind

Seems fair. Ctan seem nasty now

Do we know how much Heavy Intercessors are yet?

Did outrider sgts pick up close combat options, and can you take more than 3 in a unit?

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Did outrider sgts pick up close combat options, and can you take more than 3 in a unit?

No, and no.

I might have missed someone posting it, but here you can find all the marine points: https://imgur.com/a/SdF2q43

That is NOT readable at all.


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 Billagio wrote:
Do we know how much Heavy Intercessors are yet?

I think it was listed at 28. No melee options for the Sergeant which is disappointing.

Yeah it is. Just click on the pic and it zoooooooooms in.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Which is stupid. If you dont want Sternguard in your Dark Angels successor, JUST DON'T TAKE THEM.

Sternguard are in power armour. Dark Angel 1st Company is the Deathwing, and they're 100% Terminator armour...

... unless you buy the shiny new Primaris kits! They can be Deathwing as well.

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