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 Nevelon wrote:

 Coolyo294 wrote:

Insularum wrote:

 Coolyo294 wrote:
So for the relic terminators, did tartaros and cataphractii armor get flattened into one generic terminator profile or did they retain their unique characteristics?

They are one generic unit now, with standard terminator profile, tartaros is not fast, cataphractii is not slow or more durable. They can be equiped with any combo of stuff from the plastic GW kits, no FW 30k options and still no tele homer though. I think cataphractii captain is gone too although not 100% on that.

Looks like reaper cannon is now ap2 and claws are +1 attack each, not just for a pair. Looks like the only really advantage these have other generic terminators is mixing claws and guns, or putting a x2 str weapon on the sarge.

Aw, that stings I have 15 cataphractii I like to run that got a lot of mileage out of their 4++ save.

I’ve got mixed feelings on the relic terminators.

You know what is funny? Plasma and volkite blasters are legal on cataphractii now, even though the bit doesn't exist in the entirety of FW and GW ranges. Consistency, what's that? Storm shields and thunder hammers are illegal, though, despite FW making the bits and GW trying hard to blanderize 'relic' terminators with regular ones. Go figure, again.

On a side note, necron warriors sold separately faster than I expected. Place your bets, will GW sell them at insanely (for them) low price, or will they get usual pricetag and GW sells exactly zero of them because for a pittance more you can grab starter box with double the model count?

 Irbis wrote:
On a side note, necron warriors sold separately faster than I expected. Place your bets, will GW sell them at insanely (for them) low price, or will they get usual pricetag and GW sells exactly zero of them because for a pittance more you can grab starter box with double the model count?

The old kit has been off the webstore for probably close to a month now, so not really a surprise and I wouldn't expect them to retail for less than £25 ($40 US).

 nintura wrote:
Interesting of note, new Veil of Darkness let's you use it during the move phase, and not just the end of movement phase. Not sure if that actually changes anything or not.

Huh, kind of intreasting. It doesn't say anything about being unable to move after you use it.

EDIT: So, you can't move after you use it due to the advanced rules.

That being said, you can pull units out of engamgent range now and odn't count as falling back so you can still shoot with them.

GW has to sell them on their own even if right now they won't sell all that much because they are a core unit and beginners who might not want to deal with ebay; or who don't know about it. Will want to get the core warriors for their army.

Plus the cheap supply will run out given time so might as well have them on the books. Chances are they'll be selling the kit for a long while now.

Plus any time in the future Necrons get a big marketing push chances are warriors won't be being updated. So yep plenty of time to profit from sales.



I'm more surprised we didn't see a like release for Marines at the same time.

Huh. The McFarlane action figures are going up for pre-order for a single week, despite the fact that they were available for months on Amazon before all of the orders were cancelled last week.
How does GW manage such consistency..?

 Sasori wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Interesting of note, new Veil of Darkness let's you use it during the move phase, and not just the end of movement phase. Not sure if that actually changes anything or not.

Huh, kind of intreasting. It doesn't say anything about being unable to move after you use it.

Doesn't need to. Already covered in Rare Rules for Repositioned and Replacement Units.

 alextroy wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Interesting of note, new Veil of Darkness let's you use it during the move phase, and not just the end of movement phase. Not sure if that actually changes anything or not.

Huh, kind of intreasting. It doesn't say anything about being unable to move after you use it.

Doesn't need to. Already covered in Rare Rules for Repositioned and Replacement Units.

Yeah, I edited my post. still useful for pulling a unit out of combat and being able to shoot.

Edit: read the article. I'm guessing $35 for the warriors and destroyers.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Huh. The McFarlane action figures are going up for pre-order for a single week, despite the fact that they were available for months on Amazon before all of the orders were cancelled last week.
How does GW manage such consistency..?

...something tells me that has more to do with Amazon's expectations of McFarlane not being met. Remember, GW aren't actually producing them, they've licensed McFarlane to do it - which means they probably won't be handling distribution to third party sellers like Amazon either.

 Overread wrote:
GW has to sell them on their own even if right now they won't sell all that much because they are a core unit and beginners who might not want to deal with ebay; or who don't know about it. Will want to get the core warriors for their army.

Plus the cheap supply will run out given time so might as well have them on the books. Chances are they'll be selling the kit for a long while now.

Plus any time in the future Necrons get a big marketing push chances are warriors won't be being updated. So yep plenty of time to profit from sales.



I'm more surprised we didn't see a like release for Marines at the same time.

Except for outriders, the marine units from Indomitus are full multi-part kits. Even though the only options for Assault Intercessors and bladeguard are sergeant weapons (which is two pistols for the bladeguard).

So slightly more production than stuffing the EtB sprues in a box.

[And I still suspect outriders will get a real box next year with DA]

Voss wrote:

 Overread wrote:
GW has to sell them on their own even if right now they won't sell all that much because they are a core unit and beginners who might not want to deal with ebay; or who don't know about it. Will want to get the core warriors for their army.

Plus the cheap supply will run out given time so might as well have them on the books. Chances are they'll be selling the kit for a long while now.

Plus any time in the future Necrons get a big marketing push chances are warriors won't be being updated. So yep plenty of time to profit from sales.



I'm more surprised we didn't see a like release for Marines at the same time.

Except for outriders, the marine units from Indomitus are full multi-part kits. Even though the only options for Assault Intercessors and bladeguard are sergeant weapons (which is two pistols for the bladeguard).

So slightly more production than stuffing the EtB sprues in a box.

[And I still suspect outriders will get a real box next year with DA]

Not really. The only difference is the number of sprue that go into each box. Which basically means one or two sprue difference most likely. Multipart models; duel builds; easy to build etc.... They are all cast in the same machine and spat out at the same rate. So it wouldn't be any more complicated, at this stage, for GW to produce and box them up.

 Overread wrote:
GW has to sell them on their own even if right now they won't sell all that much because they are a core unit and beginners who might not want to deal with ebay; or who don't know about it. Will want to get the core warriors for their army.

Beginners would presumably want to grab the starter box, that thing GW tries to flog to any newcomer who wants to get into the hobby. Seeing the box has two troops and two HQs for slightly more than usual cost of troop choice box (and beginners really want that extra character for their necron army plus can always sell marine half to lower the cost even more) I don't see warriors selling all that well on their own, unless GW tries double sprue discount like MWJ said...

What a waste of an opportunity for Outriders. Blade Guard and Eradicators got new kit options, but nothing for them...

9 Outriders only, White scars not happy.

I wonder if the rules of combi-weapon rules have changed again or whether GW has just messed up the points. At least for the Sternguard combi-weapons seem to cost five points, whereas several of the special weapons alone seem to cost ten points which really doesn't make much sense if combi-weapon is basically a bolter + a fully-functioning special weapon....

(I'm building primaris-bodied Sternguard and trying to decide how to equip them.)

 Overread wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Overread wrote:
GW has to sell them on their own even if right now they won't sell all that much because they are a core unit and beginners who might not want to deal with ebay; or who don't know about it. Will want to get the core warriors for their army.

Plus the cheap supply will run out given time so might as well have them on the books. Chances are they'll be selling the kit for a long while now.

Plus any time in the future Necrons get a big marketing push chances are warriors won't be being updated. So yep plenty of time to profit from sales.



I'm more surprised we didn't see a like release for Marines at the same time.

Except for outriders, the marine units from Indomitus are full multi-part kits. Even though the only options for Assault Intercessors and bladeguard are sergeant weapons (which is two pistols for the bladeguard).

So slightly more production than stuffing the EtB sprues in a box.

[And I still suspect outriders will get a real box next year with DA]

Not really. The only difference is the number of sprue that go into each box. Which basically means one or two sprue difference most likely. Multipart models; duel builds; easy to build etc.... They are all cast in the same machine and spat out at the same rate. So it wouldn't be any more complicated, at this stage, for GW to produce and box them up.

'One or two sprues difference' is changing production time by a third or half again (or double, I'm not sure how you're counting sprues). That's pretty big. And these have been in production for quite a bit longer (I doubt they stopped once the indomitus boxes were done, especially since they are also in the starters). Fewer sprues in more machines and a longer run makes a big difference in production.

It isn't just a matter of each kit being done in one machine for a week and the production run is done.

There's no fething way that the assault intercessors in the various starters count as full multi-part kits, and we've already seen what the actual multi-kits look like for assault Intercessors, Eradicators, and Bladeguard.

 Irbis wrote:

You know what is funny? Plasma and volkite blasters are legal on cataphractii now, even though the bit doesn't exist in the entirety of FW and GW ranges.

Lernean Terminators get you Volkite on Cataphractii and the Cataphractii Special Weapon set has a Plasma Blaster.

Dudeface wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 nintura wrote:
This right here is what annoys me... marines get the exact same relic but better.... theirs gives +1 T, +1 W, AND an automatic 2+ save. But for any other race? No.

The marine relic is for the chapter master upgrade only though, so its not an entirely fair comparison.

It absolutely IS a fair comparison because the Weave has restrictions too.

Infantry. Not a massive restriction really compared to "1 specific 1 per army hq you must spend 40 points extra to access".

You skipped the Noble Infantry part. Compare that to a Chapter Master that can be doing anything.

JWBS wrote:
There's no fething way that the assault intercessors in the various starters count as full multi-part kits, and we've already seen what the actual multi-kits look like for assault Intercessors, Eradicators, and Bladeguard.

Correct on both. Its an entirely separate production run, and almost certainly more sprues per box.

The EtB warriors and skorpekhs are much easier to slot in alongside the giants, because they've been churning out those things for months for Indomitus and the starters.

 Sasori wrote:

 alextroy wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Interesting of note, new Veil of Darkness let's you use it during the move phase, and not just the end of movement phase. Not sure if that actually changes anything or not.

Huh, kind of intreasting. It doesn't say anything about being unable to move after you use it.

Doesn't need to. Already covered in Rare Rules for Repositioned and Replacement Units.

Yeah, I edited my post. still useful for pulling a unit out of combat and being able to shoot.

That's been big use for it for edition or two in edition of 3 pointing with no real own melee threats that was sometimes only way to deal with some　units

Less of a crutch now


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 Irbis wrote:

 Overread wrote:
GW has to sell them on their own even if right now they won't sell all that much because they are a core unit and beginners who might not want to deal with ebay; or who don't know about it. Will want to get the core warriors for their army.

Beginners would presumably want to grab the starter box, that thing GW tries to flog to any newcomer who wants to get into the hobby. Seeing the box has two troops and two HQs for slightly more than usual cost of troop choice box (and beginners really want that extra character for their necron army plus can always sell marine half to lower the cost even more) I don't see warriors selling all that well on their own, unless GW tries double sprue discount like MWJ said...

How many starter sets you expect beginner to buy? 2? 3?

Voss wrote:

JWBS wrote:
There's no fething way that the assault intercessors in the various starters count as full multi-part kits, and we've already seen what the actual multi-kits look like for assault Intercessors, Eradicators, and Bladeguard.

Correct on both. Its an entirely separate production run, and almost certainly more sprues per box.

The EtB warriors and skorpekhs are much easier to slot in alongside the giants, because they've been churning out those things for months for Indomitus and the starters.

Yeah, I am curious how long this release is going to be spaced out. We've got 6 more kits for the Necrons to come and a ton more for SM. Looks like we may have at least two more weeks of release at a minimum.

How many starter sets you expect beginner to buy? 2? 3?

Often a recruit to start and then an elite or command to expand from there.

 Sasori wrote:

Voss wrote:

JWBS wrote:
There's no fething way that the assault intercessors in the various starters count as full multi-part kits, and we've already seen what the actual multi-kits look like for assault Intercessors, Eradicators, and Bladeguard.

Correct on both. Its an entirely separate production run, and almost certainly more sprues per box.

The EtB warriors and skorpekhs are much easier to slot in alongside the giants, because they've been churning out those things for months for Indomitus and the starters.

Yeah, I am curious how long this release is going to be spaced out. We've got 6 more kits for the Necrons to come and a ton more for SM. Looks like we may have at least two more weeks of release at a minimum.

It wouldn't surprise me if we come to the end of the month and still have several kits go to.
Necrons still have both the Monolith and Void dragon - two big expensive kits. Plus it wouldn't surprise me if we see a Reanimator kit on its own as well or otherwise a "Getting Started" set that uses that sprue with the other models as its foundation

I’m assuming every weekend in October is more Marines and Necrons.

Did grav devs go up in points? I know they lost the strat but wondering if they’re still a viable option if I don’t wanna spam eradicators

 Overread wrote:

Spoiler:

 Sasori wrote:

Voss wrote:

JWBS wrote:
There's no fething way that the assault intercessors in the various starters count as full multi-part kits, and we've already seen what the actual multi-kits look like for assault Intercessors, Eradicators, and Bladeguard.

Correct on both. Its an entirely separate production run, and almost certainly more sprues per box.

The EtB warriors and skorpekhs are much easier to slot in alongside the giants, because they've been churning out those things for months for Indomitus and the starters.

Yeah, I am curious how long this release is going to be spaced out. We've got 6 more kits for the Necrons to come and a ton more for SM. Looks like we may have at least two more weeks of release at a minimum.

It wouldn't surprise me if we come to the end of the month and still have several kits go to.
Necrons still have both the Monolith and Void dragon - two big expensive kits. Plus it wouldn't surprise me if we see a Reanimator kit on its own as well or otherwise a "Getting Started" set that uses that sprue with the other models as its foundation

Along with the Monolith and Void Dragon, Necrons still have the new Overlord, Royal Warden, Skorpekh Lord, Psychomancer, Chronomancer, Plasmancer, Canoptek Reanimator, Cryptothralls, Ophydian Destroyers and the Convergence of Dominion all potentially awaiting release (a few models from Indomitus may not see a separate release for a while). That would definitely fill the releases for the rest of October and into November.

 Overread wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

Voss wrote:

JWBS wrote:
There's no fething way that the assault intercessors in the various starters count as full multi-part kits, and we've already seen what the actual multi-kits look like for assault Intercessors, Eradicators, and Bladeguard.

Correct on both. Its an entirely separate production run, and almost certainly more sprues per box.

The EtB warriors and skorpekhs are much easier to slot in alongside the giants, because they've been churning out those things for months for Indomitus and the starters.

Yeah, I am curious how long this release is going to be spaced out. We've got 6 more kits for the Necrons to come and a ton more for SM. Looks like we may have at least two more weeks of release at a minimum.

It wouldn't surprise me if we come to the end of the month and still have several kits go to.
Necrons still have both the Monolith and Void dragon - two big expensive kits. Plus it wouldn't surprise me if we see a Reanimator kit on its own as well or otherwise a "Getting Started" set that uses that sprue with the other models as its foundation

I only returned to the hobby a couple of years ago and had been away since before the Get Started sets were a thing, so I could be wrong, but I noticed that the GSC starter took ages to release, long after the full line was otherwise available, so I wouldn't bet we'll see and new Necron or Primaris starters this year (though I do seem to remember the Vanguard Primaris box wasn't too long after their initial release, so maybe wrong about that).

 Crimson wrote:
I wonder if the rules of combi-weapon rules have changed again or whether GW has just messed up the points. At least for the Sternguard combi-weapons seem to cost five points, whereas several of the special weapons alone seem to cost ten points which really doesn't make much sense if combi-weapon is basically a bolter + a fully-functioning special weapon....

(I'm building primaris-bodied Sternguard and trying to decide how to equip them.)

*Looks at newly converted combi-plasma Chosen* Oh !!

Stern guard already have special bolters that are replaced by the combos, that's why they are cheaper

 Billagio wrote:
Did grav devs go up in points? I know they lost the strat but wondering if they’re still a viable option if I don’t wanna spam eradicators

They went up 3 points per model, due to the extra wound, but that's about it.