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 Nostromodamus wrote:
That Calgar comic looks fething terrible

Nah it looks great. Not everything has to be super gritty looking in 40k ya know. Plus from the interviews it looks like the writer and artist are pretty big fans.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
That Calgar comic looks fething terrible

Nah it looks great. Not everything has to be super gritty looking in 40k ya know. Plus from the interviews it looks like the writer and artist are pretty big fans.

Not so much the look, the dialogue is just bland as feth. To each their own, I’m not a big comic fan anyway.

I quite like the artwork...reminds me of Judge Dredd and a little of Nemesis the Warlock.

But yes, that dialogue.

Still, I am tempted to pick up a copy just to see how good/bad it actually it...

You can't really judge from just three pages of dialogue. Let's refrain from immediately calling it gak until people have actually read the full thing.

 Segersgia wrote:
You can't really judge from just three pages of dialogue. Let's refrain from immediately calling it gak until people have actually read the full thing.

This is what they chose to promote it. If this is really what they thought was good to lead the product launch with then damn straight I’m gonna judge it. Personally I would have chosen something more evocative of the setting rather than three pages of talking to a tech priest about logistics.

 Segersgia wrote:
You can't really judge from just three pages of dialogue. Let's refrain from immediately calling it gak until people have actually read the full thing.

I agree with Nostromodamus on this. The point of promo material is to draw people in*. If this is what they're leading with, I'd hate to see what they're not showing.
The art is bland and the dialogue is utter drek. Hilariously stilted sentence fragments. This is not engaging. Even when dressed up with shiny 40k buzzwords.


*its the same thing when people get defensive about bad models and photographs, and how it will 'look different' once in hand. Photography is how models are sold. If the photographs look bad, they're doing it wrong.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
That Calgar comic looks fething terrible

Nah it looks great. Not everything has to be super gritty looking in 40k ya know. Plus from the interviews it looks like the writer and artist are pretty big fans.

Not so much the look, the dialogue is just bland as feth. To each their own, I’m not a big comic fan anyway.

It’s out already?

So the Monolith is 170$.

Why?

Because GW is applying a "USA" surcharge on all the stuff they make?

 Togusa wrote:
So the Monolith is 170$.

Why?

Here's what I've been able to gather from reading the forums. All of these are real arguments - just made by different people.

1 - The monolith got a 2+ save and 4 more wounds so it needed to get a big points increase
2 - The monolith costs so many points so it's obvious it needed to be moved to the LoW slot
3 - The monolith is a LoW so it makes sense that it would cost as much $ as a knight

Oh wow i didn't expect The Void Dragon to have any options at all that's a pleasant suprise

 Togusa wrote:
So the Monolith is 170$.

Why?

Same price as Castellan knight right? I assume it's a kit about the size. It's a lot of cash but I assume it is a pretty large model now.

Voss wrote:

 Segersgia wrote:
You can't really judge from just three pages of dialogue. Let's refrain from immediately calling it gak until people have actually read the full thing.

I agree with Nostromodamus on this. The point of promo material is to draw people in*. If this is what they're leading with, I'd hate to see what they're not showing.
The art is bland and the dialogue is utter drek. Hilariously stilted sentence fragments. This is not engaging. Even when dressed up with shiny 40k buzzwords.


*its the same thing when people get defensive about bad models and photographs, and how it will 'look different' once in hand. Photography is how models are sold. If the photographs look bad, they're doing it wrong.

suppose that depends what you're looking for in the comic. I look at it and I see evidance that the comic's not just gonna be bolter porn

It's A Marvel comic from the 21th is anyone seriously suprised it bloody sucks?

Cryptek of Awesome wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
So the Monolith is 170$.

Why?

Here's what I've been able to gather from reading the forums. All of these are real arguments - just made by different people.

1 - The monolith got a 2+ save and 4 more wounds so it needed to get a big points increase
2 - The monolith costs so many points so it's obvious it needed to be moved to the LoW slot
3 - The monolith is a LoW so it makes sense that it would cost as much $ as a knight

I think the truth is likely the other way round:

1 - GW redesigned the Monolith to be far more detailed and larger
2 - This makes it a large plastic kit with a lot of sprues
3 - This makes it expensive to buy, as much as a Knight
4 - As the kit now costs as much as a knight GW needs to improve its rules to make it seem worth the cost of buying

Tavis75 wrote:

Cryptek of Awesome wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
So the Monolith is 170$.

Why?

Here's what I've been able to gather from reading the forums. All of these are real arguments - just made by different people.

1 - The monolith got a 2+ save and 4 more wounds so it needed to get a big points increase
2 - The monolith costs so many points so it's obvious it needed to be moved to the LoW slot
3 - The monolith is a LoW so it makes sense that it would cost as much $ as a knight

I think the truth is likely the other way round:

1 - GW redesigned the Monolith to be far more detailed and larger
2 - This makes it a large plastic kit with a lot of sprues
3 - This makes it expensive to buy, as much as a Knight
4 - As the kit now costs as much as a knight GW needs to improve its rules to make it seem worth the cost of buying

Not entirely sure they succeeded at that last bit though. I mean it is, somewhat bizarrely, actually good at close combat now (S8 D3 auto hits!) and has a 2+ save but basically nothing else has changed, in exchange for the extra cost of 3CP.

Edit: also, not totally enthralled by the golfball aesthetic either.

Tavis75 wrote:

Cryptek of Awesome wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
So the Monolith is 170$.

Why?

Here's what I've been able to gather from reading the forums. All of these are real arguments - just made by different people.

1 - The monolith got a 2+ save and 4 more wounds so it needed to get a big points increase
2 - The monolith costs so many points so it's obvious it needed to be moved to the LoW slot
3 - The monolith is a LoW so it makes sense that it would cost as much $ as a knight

I think the truth is likely the other way round:

1 - GW redesigned the Monolith to be far more detailed and larger
2 - This makes it a large plastic kit with a lot of sprues
3 - This makes it expensive to buy, as much as a Knight
4 - As the kit now costs as much as a knight GW needs to improve its rules to make it seem worth the cost of buying

1 - GW redesigned the Monolith to be far more detailed and larger
2 - GW makes it more expensive as its bigger and more detailed
3 - GW thinks they can make it even more expensive if they give it more rules and make it a LOW so they do just that
4 - GW has record profits again

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
That Calgar comic looks fething terrible

Nah it looks great. Not everything has to be super gritty looking in 40k ya know. Plus from the interviews it looks like the writer and artist are pretty big fans.

Pretty sure we knew the artist was a fan the moment he put Tau in Venom, Space Knight without GW's permission.

Having read the comic last night my impression is that its aimed at perhaps young teenagers based on the style of story and language used. It's likely comparable to the kids stories that GW has published already in terms of its target audience.

Which isn't bad, but isn't as good for more adult readers who might prefer a slightly more mature take in terms of the style of language and story presentation.


That and I get the feeling its made more for those who are not familiar with the game; since it includes some short lore pages, but also again tends to use language and styles more befitting a casual to no understanding of the setting as opposed to someone willing to put up with "odd" things because they know its part of the setting.

The comic is okay imo. There are worse comics and there are better ones. However, I know a few people who know nothing about 40k that picked it up and enjoyed it. Which is probably something they're hoping for

Not the greatest comic I’ve ever read, but it wasn’t in any way particular bad. I enjoyed the cultist Marneus squished having two right hands.

Matrindur wrote:

Tavis75 wrote:

Cryptek of Awesome wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
So the Monolith is 170$.

Why?

Here's what I've been able to gather from reading the forums. All of these are real arguments - just made by different people.

1 - The monolith got a 2+ save and 4 more wounds so it needed to get a big points increase
2 - The monolith costs so many points so it's obvious it needed to be moved to the LoW slot
3 - The monolith is a LoW so it makes sense that it would cost as much $ as a knight

I think the truth is likely the other way round:

1 - GW redesigned the Monolith to be far more detailed and larger
2 - This makes it a large plastic kit with a lot of sprues
3 - This makes it expensive to buy, as much as a Knight
4 - As the kit now costs as much as a knight GW needs to improve its rules to make it seem worth the cost of buying

1 - GW redesigned the Monolith to be far more detailed and larger
2 - GW makes it more expensive as its bigger and more detailed
3 - GW thinks they can make it even more expensive if they give it more rules and make it a LOW so they do just that
4 - GW has record profits again

Yeah - I think the real truth is some blend of your two lists. Sales being one of the forces directing design and rules.
I just thought it was amusing that there actually were people on here making arguments like - "Well it's a LoW now so that's why it should cost this many $."
Like what? How are those related?

Cryptek of Awesome wrote:

Matrindur wrote:

Tavis75 wrote:

Cryptek of Awesome wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
So the Monolith is 170$.

Why?

Here's what I've been able to gather from reading the forums. All of these are real arguments - just made by different people.

1 - The monolith got a 2+ save and 4 more wounds so it needed to get a big points increase
2 - The monolith costs so many points so it's obvious it needed to be moved to the LoW slot
3 - The monolith is a LoW so it makes sense that it would cost as much $ as a knight

I think the truth is likely the other way round:

1 - GW redesigned the Monolith to be far more detailed and larger
2 - This makes it a large plastic kit with a lot of sprues
3 - This makes it expensive to buy, as much as a Knight
4 - As the kit now costs as much as a knight GW needs to improve its rules to make it seem worth the cost of buying

1 - GW redesigned the Monolith to be far more detailed and larger
2 - GW makes it more expensive as its bigger and more detailed
3 - GW thinks they can make it even more expensive if they give it more rules and make it a LOW so they do just that
4 - GW has record profits again

Yeah - I think the real truth is some blend of your two lists. Sales being one of the forces directing design and rules.
I just thought it was amusing that there actually were people on here making arguments like - "Well it's a LoW now so that's why it should cost this many $."
Like what? How are those related?

I don't think anyone has said that in those terms? I think I might have said it's larger model with LoW level rules and points as a methodology to justify the price compared to equivalent products. That's very different to "It's in the LoW slot so slap $$$$$$ on it"

Latest codex roadmap...much of this was known but what remains a mystery is what is due in January:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/10/15/warhammer-40000-the-codex-roadmap/

I wonder if the Codex cover all in gold depicting the Imperial Palace might be Custodes.

No real surprises there then - so is the redacted one Dark Angels or Custodes? If the former - why bother

Dark Angels were said to be the first codex of 2021, with a Xenos book following. We'll have to wait and see whether that follows on but the top codex does have quite a few wings.

I'm guessing the two redacted covers are Dark Angels and Chaos Space Marines respectively.

 Mr Morden wrote:
No real surprises there then - so is the redacted one Dark Angels or Custodes? If the former - why bother

They didn't comment, specifically, on it outside of the livestreams that I can think of. That may be why.

Might still seem weird but it at least lets there be some surprise for folks.

 oni wrote:
I'm guessing the two redacted covers are Dark Angels and Chaos Space Marines respectively.

Pretty sure that's the image they used to represent all xenos at one point. So its going to be a xenos book.
Hopefully Eldar, Dark Eldar or Orks. I think they still have a fair bit of their range still in finecast?