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For those with the codex (I am going without it for a bit, buying the next 6 codex's in bulk with a "next purchase" discount card). The max unit size for a Bladeguard Veteran squad is 3, right? Also, what is the max unit size of the ATV?

 cuda1179 wrote:
For those with the codex (I am going without it for a bit, buying the next 6 codex's in bulk with a "next purchase" discount card). The max unit size for a Bladeguard Veteran squad is 3, right? Also, what is the max unit size of the ATV?

Max unit size of BGV is actually 6 the Invader ATV (I'm just gonna shorter it to iATV as I try to make that a thing) is 3

Yeah, it was the Outriders who stayed at units of 3 because they didn't get a separate kit.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah, it was the Outriders who stayed at units of 3 because they didn't get a separate kit.

poor white scars.

Now we have a window to look at release cadence, I think we can safely say that the marine kits will be spread over the course of the supplements now, so a smattering of 2-4 marine kits every month.

Do outriders get the ravenwing keyword now?

 Jidmah wrote:
Do outriders get the ravenwing keyword now?

Yes. Outriders, ATVs, the new Primaris Biker-Chaplain, the new Storm Speeders, etc..

All the the Ravenwing Keyword. Ravenwing-Options literally doubled, lol.

Thanks.

But, if I'm understanding this correctly, you can now use the stratagem to deep strike Deathwing units on top of ATVs because they are bikes, right?

What a time to be a DA player

I think anyone bandwagoning with Dark Angels thanks to their get-you-by Index is going to be in for a rude shock come their actual supplement.

Eh, I'm just happy for the DA players who actually get to fiddle with their signature wings instead of having to play a greenwing castle hugging Azrael to have a chance of winning.

 Jidmah wrote:
Eh, I'm just happy for the DA players who actually get to fiddle with their signature wings instead of having to play a greenwing castle hugging Azrael to have a chance of winning.

Aye.. This.

The overtuning atm can be easily lowered back down but the less marine castles the better.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think anyone bandwagoning with Dark Angels thanks to their get-you-by Index is going to be in for a rude shock come their actual supplement.

I think anybody expecting marines to get nerfed are in for rude shock. Main codex already wasn't actually nerf but rather improvement. Just what is best changed but overall power curve went UP.

tneva82 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think anyone bandwagoning with Dark Angels thanks to their get-you-by Index is going to be in for a rude shock come their actual supplement.

I think anybody expecting marines to get nerfed are in for rude shock. Main codex already wasn't actually nerf but rather improvement. Just what is best changed but overall power curve went UP.

Not convinced, whats the reasoning?

Yeah, Dark Angels can use the Deathwing Deepstrike off the ATVs and/or the Primaris Biker Chaplain.

Normally, I'd assume the index rules would be identical to the printed supplement, but GW did change things like the Judiciar, Eradicators, etc.. (and not just unit size, also Necron stuff) between Indomitus and the Marines Codex (which surely was already printed by the time Indomitus hit the shelves), so I wouldn't be surprised to see things change from Index to Codex supplement again (and possibly an FAQ to make the ATV ineligible for the Apothecary / possibly a vehicle).

Does anyone have any guesses(or rumor sources with info) about what the xenos codex coming in January might be? Is there any info hinting at what the other January release will be?

There is some art shown in the little preview picture, but I don't know if that is really any indication of the codex subject matter or not.

It’s generic Xenos art from the rulebook. I’d hope Orks seeing as Ghaz is still not available by himself and Ragnar may be released alongside the Wolves Codex.

The other “redacted” book for that month shows Dark Angel Chapter iconography so I really hope my Angels aren’t waiting too long for their supplement.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
It’s generic Xenos art from the rulebook. I’d hope Orks seeing as Ghaz is still not available by himself and Ragnar may be released alongside the Wolves Codex.

The other “redacted” book for that month shows Dark Angel Chapter iconography so I really hope my Angels aren’t waiting too long for their supplement.

They already confirmed dark angels for January don't worry.

It could be any Xenos race except Necrons. There's also rumour that it could be a "new" Xenos race or an expansion of a theme (eg Tau xenos allied forces). That said its really impossible to tell right now, its just a generic Xenos symbol that's only been seen before in the current big rule book.

I would laugh my ass off if its Codex: Gretchin.

SamusDrake wrote:
I would laugh my ass off if its Codex: Gretchin.

I would be fine with a Grot Rebel codex, actually. Might be fun.

We have seen previews of both orks and dark eldar. It's pretty unlikely that it's not one of those.

Dudeface wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think anyone bandwagoning with Dark Angels thanks to their get-you-by Index is going to be in for a rude shock come their actual supplement.

I think anybody expecting marines to get nerfed are in for rude shock. Main codex already wasn't actually nerf but rather improvement. Just what is best changed but overall power curve went UP.

Not convinced, whats the reasoning?

We are talking about marines aka gw cashcow. People thought 9e codex would nerf them. Instead power went up. Who　still thinks gw now starts putting nerfs　to next marine books?

Gw has went all speed full with marine favouritism. You need to deliberately turn blind eye pretty hard to miss it.

But sure. Keep on telling yourself marine nerfs　incoming. People said same thing about 9e core rules. When that didn'' pan out it was "codex will fix it". Well guess　gw thought marines underperformed since codex upped power curve...

So we're certain that the Monolith is $170, correct?

B/C I went to my FLGS to preorder it and was told that it was $200.

My first thought was that they must be mistaken and that surely GW isn't that stupid.

My second thought was that the new Giant costs $190...

Do we have a 100% confirmed price for the Monolith?

Most codex/battletomes for a new edition are not nerfed but powered up because they now work with new mechanics which makes them more powerful then previous edition versions. That's almost universal if you compare previous to current codex.

What varies is if the codex is broken or balanced within the new edition rather than comparing back and forward.





Also I'd note that whilst marines are a cash-cow for GW; GW's balancing is almost at random. Sometimes Marines are on top sometimes they are not. Lots of other armies have been brokenly powerful at various stages despite not being "GWs Cash Cow". If anything GW's somewhat random balancing means that they've never really had a clear pattern in what becomes overpowered.

Marines were mid to low tier most of 7th until Battle Company formations and the same with 6th, with their only strong play being Grav cents with Loth/Tigurius. The battle company still didn’t make marines the top of the pile even with free razorbacks for everyone - that one went for our pointy eared and hatted army.

In Fifth they were overshadowed by Crons, GK, and Guard, With only BA razorspam lists being close.

Marines being #1 is relatively new in GW land.

tneva82 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think anyone bandwagoning with Dark Angels thanks to their get-you-by Index is going to be in for a rude shock come their actual supplement.

I think anybody expecting marines to get nerfed are in for rude shock. Main codex already wasn't actually nerf but rather improvement. Just what is best changed but overall power curve went UP.

Not convinced, whats the reasoning?

We are talking about marines aka gw cashcow. People thought 9e codex would nerf them. Instead power went up. Who　still thinks gw now starts putting nerfs　to next marine books?

Gw has went all speed full with marine favouritism. You need to deliberately turn blind eye pretty hard to miss it.

But sure. Keep on telling yourself marine nerfs　incoming. People said same thing about 9e core rules. When that didn'' pan out it was "codex will fix it". Well guess　gw thought marines underperformed since codex upped power curve...

That's not what I asked, I'm wanting to know how you think the new book is better than the last one please. To me it seems the same or maybe sightly lower overall.

Does GW consider Demons to be a "xenos" faction or are they chaos? Im wondering if they would make that differentiation at a high level when talking about what codexes are next.

Edit: Answered my own question by looking at the GW website

Demons are chaos as they come from the realm of chaos. Xenos are Xenos and are alien but from the material world.

Daemons are kind of the xenos chaos, where the Chaos Space Marines are the marine chaos.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Marines were mid to low tier most of 7th until Battle Company formations and the same with 6th, with their only strong play being Grav cents with Loth/Tigurius. The battle company still didn’t make marines the top of the pile even with free razorbacks for everyone - that one went for our pointy eared and hatted army.

In Fifth they were overshadowed by Crons, GK, and Guard, With only BA razorspam lists being close.

Marines being #1 is relatively new in GW land.

Space Wolves were a top army in 5th, but yeah, Codex Vanilla marines have rarely been that strong through 40k lifetime.