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So the Imperial Armour Compendium is listed as "New From Forge World". Does that mean it'll only be available from fw? So even though the main studio rules team wrote it, it still won't be available at gw stores and flgs?

 Kanluwen wrote:

My personal fixation with Raven Guard is because they missed a ridiculously easy opportunity to bump up Reiver sales, given that they also held back the Infiltrator/Incursor kits last year to release with Imperial Fists of all things.

HEY! They use bolt weapons and that's our bread and butter...yeah...it was bullcrap.

Honestly, like I said earlier, I would like to see unique units for all of the Chapters based around a particular unit. Perhaps give Imperial Fists Aggressors can get the ability to advance without penalty back (or the double shoot when stationary ability, but that is unlikely). The maybe White Scars can have a special Outrider unit. I don't know. I would like to see this applied to everyone.

I've seen the Hexmark today at two different LGS so no issues there. I ain't grabbing one anytime soon though since it sucks in the game.

So, are the new Combat Patrols permanent additions to the range? If that's the case, I'm pumped up. I can never get enough Wolves.

 Kanluwen wrote:
If it makes you feel any better, I'm all ranted out now about the Phobos thing. It's just extremely irritating that they talk and talk and talk it up in the Raven Guard book and now Space Wolves get the first 'named' Space Wolf unit? It's like the first named Harlequin unit being a Sisters of Battle unit--bizarre.

...why is it bizarre for Space Wolves to get the first named Space Wolf unit, again?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
The problem with Wolf Scouts is they really weren't elite units. They simply changed how their Infiltrate worked and they got some Special Weapons. They didn't have Vet stats for Pete's sake.

They may not have had Veteran stats, but at the various points Scouts had sub-marine (not submarine, though that would be amusing) stat lines, Wolf Scouts did at least have the same stat line as full Marines.

 CMLR wrote:
So, are the new Combat Patrols permanent additions to the range? If that's the case, I'm pumped up. I can never get enough Wolves.

I believe someone on the previous page had a screenshot from GW Facebook indicating this would be the case, as a replacement for the current Start Collecting boxes.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
So the Imperial Armour Compendium is listed as "New From Forge World". Does that mean it'll only be available from fw? So even though the main studio rules team wrote it, it still won't be available at gw stores and flgs?

Yes.

... but GW and FW are the same thing!

 Jidmah wrote:
... but GW and FW are the same thing!

Well at least this was written by the gw rules team, so good or bad, it should finally shut up all of that "Gw didn't write these rules" crap. Hope they show us some previews.

Hey folks, just went through a load of alerts generated in this thread and I would kindly ask one and all to stay on topic and to be excellent to one another, because rule #1 is not optional.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
... but GW and FW are the same thing!

Well at least this was written by the gw rules team, so good or bad, it should finally shut up all of that "Gw didn't write these rules" crap. Hope they show us some previews.

And if fw had written them...well they would have been told of weapon changes likely when book　was already printed and done. Gw studio doesn't share info to fw

Any news on the prices of the new Combat Patrol boxes?

 Eldarsif wrote:
Any news on the prices of the new Combat Patrol boxes?

110€
Im glad i joined GW in the good faith age of reboxing stormcast to lower and 65€ SC! Because this past two years has been insane

New Deathwatch Combat Patrol £85
Intercessors £35
Aggressors £30
Apothecary £22.50
Lieutenant £20
2x Upgrade Sprues? £18 (Maybe a new upgrade sprue as there isn't a "Primaris" upgrade pack and there are only 2 Terminator/Aggressor shoulder pads on the old one)
Total £125.5
Savings £40.5

Old Deathwatch SC: £60
Artemis £17.50
2 Kill Teams £50
Venerable Dreadnaught £35
Upgrade Sprue £9
Total £111.50
Savings £51.50

New Space Wolves Combat Patrol £85
Invictor £37.50
Intercessors £35
1/2 Reivers £17.50
SW Battle Leader £20? (Expect him to be the same as other Lieutenants)
2x Upgrade Sprues £18 (the Reivers only got transfers as far as I can see)
Total £128
Savings £43

Old Primaris SW SC £60
Intercessors £35
Aggressors £30
SW Battle Leader £20? (Expect him to be the same as other Lieutenants)
2x Upgrade Sprues £18
Total £103
Savings £43

So the Deathwatch have a new savings of 32% to the old one of 46%
and Space Wolves have a new savings of 33.5% to the old one of 41%


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Also the Hounds of Morkai costs 35€ but 5 Reivers and an upgrade sprue only costs 31€ so maybe there is more to this kit than we know

85 for Combat Patrol is rather steep even if there are savings. Feels like it would be prudent to buy the old Start Collectings while they last. Was kinda hoping Combat Patrol would stick around the 60-65 pound mark.

They're really pushing what's affordable in a starting box aren't they?

I was considering the DW one because it's got some great units in there and there's the potential to flog the upgrade sprues but I am not feeling the price.

Any word on fw book cost? I presume 50e or so

I'm not quite sure about GW's thinking here.

They appear to be offering a smaller size game to allow people to get started cheaper into the hobby - ergo the Combat Patrol. At the same time they are then increasing the Getting Started packs to £85 which is a big cost. Instead of the old £50 or the grumbled £60 brackets they are pushing for £85.

The two policies seem totally at odds to each other. I can understand it at pitching them to people already in GW's hobby bubble because then they are just starting a second army or third or whatever so a higher sticker price shouldn't be a barrier. But for new people with 0 models it seems rather daft to be pushing the starting price for the hobby up.


Esp when you consider that GW tools are not cheap. That £50 getting started set easily ends up over £100 once you add codex, paints. clippers and such. So pushing that price another £25 higher seems odd. I could get behind it if they slashed their accessory prices (I consider £21 for a pair of clippers to be nuts).

It does seem that GW is slipping back into some rather less than desirable old habits even when they are trying to offer discount on bundled goods.

Yet at the same time the new Warcy sets are far cheaper and aimed at exactly the same market segment of new gamers.

They made a bigger box with worse savings when It should had been the contrary. And the deathwatch one has 2 overpriced primaris characters inflating the price

The truth is,no Matter because they are gonna sell this like hotcakes, but asking a new player 2 years ago for 65€ to start playing was something. But to ask basically the double now? GW has started full greeddy Mode again. A shame.

The new price means you won't be buying them unless you intend to fully commit to the army. I liked to buy the SC as they often had good units for a nice price that you could impulse buy. The new CP boxes are too expensive for potential impulse buys in my opinion.

With the new pricing we've been seeing I am dreading to see the price on the Christmas Battleforce boxes.

I'll say this though. If the new Start Collecting Deathguard will be 85 pounds and only contain what was in the Dark Imperium box they will be charging more for that part of Death Guard than they did in the entire run of Dark Imperium. For 85 pounds CP DG better have the full kits.


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 Galas wrote:
They made a bigger box with worse savings when It should had been the contrary. And the deathwatch one has 2 overpriced primaris characters inflating the price

The truth is,no Matter because they are gonna sell this like hotcakes, but asking a new player 2 years ago for 65€ to start playing was something. But to ask basically the double now? GW has started full greeddy Mode again. A shame.

I agree. The worst part is that with the new boxes, especially DW, you won't have much reason to buy more than one as all the savings are caught up in those characters you rarely, if ever, need duplicates of.

I’m almost impressed with how much of my personal Games Workshop good will they’ve managed to erode in the space of a few weeks.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I’m almost impressed with how much of my personal Games Workshop good will they’ve managed to erode in the space of a few weeks.

Same here if I am to be honest. I've been currently eyeing Star Wars Legion due to the price increases at GW.

Well gamers are to blame for buying into nuGW hype. There was never nuGW. Just same one except more adept at smoke screens

it wasn't like people stated from the beggining nu gw = old GW + PR department.

tneva82 wrote:
Well gamers are to blame for buying into nuGW hype. There was never nuGW. Just same one except more adept at smoke screens

Well it was still having a tangible effect on prices, so it wasn’t exactly just smoke screens. Game starters that were great value, start collecting sets etc. Between £120 not-even-that-big giants, a %25 price increase for a Warcry starter with less contents and now swapping start collecting sets for these with a ~£25 price increase, even the good deals aren’t fthat good anymore.

85 pounds.. is honestly a little cheaper then what I expected TBH.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm kinda livid right now in that frigging Space Wolves are getting a Phobos specialty unit before frigging Raven Guard do.

Poor Raven Guards . They have so few options! Barely any datasheet to choose from. Real sad.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
GW can't even be bothered to make a new upgrade sprue lmao

Ahah GW can't event be bothered to remake the, what, one year old kit for marines!
*look at eldar aspect warriors*
Not redoing that upgrade sprue is so low effort really!

 Eldarsif wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I’m almost impressed with how much of my personal Games Workshop good will they’ve managed to erode in the space of a few weeks.

Same here if I am to be honest. I've been currently eyeing Star Wars Legion due to the price increases at GW.

I am surprised to say that this has happened to me too. I know GW's pricing is generally par for the course, but they've been shocking recently. Especially after picking up the deal that was Indomitus, I was looking forward to more of the same but the new prices are a shocker.

Back to eBay I go for a while I think.

 Eldarsif wrote:

Same here if I am to be honest. I've been currently eyeing Star Wars Legion due to the price increases at GW.

me too but selling second hand is tricky at the moment, hence why I am looking more into Warpath again as well for using the existing 40k collection instead of starting something new

So these CP boxes are going to vary wildly in value, depending on your perspective. I agree that the DW box isn't good at all with those two characters totalling £42 retail, and also notice that there aren't any substantive complaints about the SW box, which doesn't surprise me as it seems decent, so there is still hope that future products in this line will offer good value.

It's a shame though that the upgrade sprues are part of the savings. It means, for example, that if you wanted to buy the SW box for the Reivers and the Warsuit, but you don't actually play SW, you have to find a buyer for the upgrade sprues to realise full value, or just chuck them in the bits box and potentially never use them.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

My personal fixation with Raven Guard is because they missed a ridiculously easy opportunity to bump up Reiver sales, given that they also held back the Infiltrator/Incursor kits last year to release with Imperial Fists of all things.

HEY! They use bolt weapons and that's our bread and butter...yeah...it was bullcrap.

Honestly, like I said earlier, I would like to see unique units for all of the Chapters based around a particular unit. Perhaps give Imperial Fists Aggressors can get the ability to advance without penalty back (or the double shoot when stationary ability, but that is unlikely). The maybe White Scars can have a special Outrider unit. I don't know. I would like to see this applied to everyone.

Mmmmm. I want a special Salamanders unit of Eradicators with some new buff.