Necron and Space Marine Codex and upcoming releases discussion

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**Galas**

Just for reference Dark Imperium was 125€. And this boxes are 110€.

**kodos**

JWBS wrote:
So these CP boxes are going to vary wildly in value, depending on your perspective. I agree that the DW box isn't good at all with those two characters totalling £42 retail, and also notice that there aren't any substantive complaints about the SW box, which doesn't surprise me as it seems decent, so there is still hope that future products in this line will offer good value.

for the SW Box we need more details about the rules, as if the Walker sucks in a SW army it less of a value with a model you would never use

**Platuan4th**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
Anyway, think they'll do any previews for the rules in the Compendium this week? Just giving Dreadclaws and the Kharibdis the loyalist drop pod rules would probably have csm players clamoring for the book.
Maybe they'll give us a big downloadable "Legends" document for all the things that didn't make the cut.

That would be nice. Especially if they fixed some of the R&H stuff in it.

Knowing GW, we get one, but it'll be PL only like last time.

**kurhanik**

Wow those prices are crazy. I couldn't find anything 85 pounds on the site, but 80 pounds = 130$, so we are looking at 140$ probably. It wouldn't be too big a deal if these were complementary "Next Step" bundles for after a Start Collecting set, but to replace it? That is too steep for my taste, and seems like a lot to buy in for the hobby.

**tneva82**

JWBS wrote:
So these CP boxes are going to vary wildly in value, depending on your perspective. I agree that the DW box isn't good at all with those two characters totalling £42 retail, and also notice that there aren't any substantive complaints about the SW box, which doesn't surprise me as it seems decent, so there is still hope that future products in this line will offer good value.

It's a shame though that the upgrade sprues are part of the savings. It means, for example, that if you wanted to buy the SW box for the Reivers and the Warsuit, but you don't actually play SW, you have to find a buyer for the upgrade sprues to realise full value, or just chuck them in the bits box and potentially never use them.

OTOH apoc is the current hot cheese so anybody who doesn't have one wants one. For 1 purchase it's good enough(though mostly directed for existing players. For new players steep starting price). Less so for multiples but unsurprisingly GW doesn't like when you can get too much with discount boxes. Expect lot less flesh eater court and beastclaw raider thing where you pretty much need to only buy start collecting boxes

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Bit peeved at the Heavy Destroyer kit.

I’ve assembled two so far, following the instructions, yet the neck brace bits just aren’t lining up properly.

**bullyboy**

I'm all set with my marine lists currently, so GW prices are not a high priority, but......and it's a big but, if they redo the Eldar line and we're looking at current banshee prices, my pockets will need to be deep!
Shame for others though, I think I must have bought 3 Deathwatch SC sets.

**ImAGeek**

kurhanik wrote:
Wow those prices are crazy. I couldn't find anything 85 pounds on the site, but 80 pounds = 130$, so we are looking at 140$ probably. It wouldn't be too big a deal if these were complementary "Next Step" bundles for after a Start Collecting set, but to replace it? That is too steep for my taste, and seems like a lot to buy in for the hobby.

The Keeper of Secrets is £85, so whatever that is in dollars.

**tneva82**

ImAGeek wrote:
kurhanik wrote:
Wow those prices are crazy. I couldn't find anything 85 pounds on the site, but 80 pounds = 130$, so we are looking at 140$ probably. It wouldn't be too big a deal if these were complementary "Next Step" bundles for after a Start Collecting set, but to replace it? That is too steep for my taste, and seems like a lot to buy in for the hobby.

The Keeper of Secrets is £85, so whatever that is in dollars.

140 to spot. Good estimate by kurhanik

**Kanluwen**

Inside Imperial Armour Compendium article up on Warhammer Community.

Big takeaways:

We’ll be taking a closer look at the forces of Krieg later in the week, but it’s not just these stoic warriors that are featured in the book though, there are also datasheets for some of the Space Marines Chapters of Renown – Red Scorpions, Minotaurs, Blood Ravens, Astral Claws, and Carcharodons. This means that you’ll be able to field such legendary warriors as Carab Culln the Risen and Asterion Moloc in your games of Warhammer 40,000.

* If a unit exists but doesn’t have a datasheet in this book, don’t worry! It will be getting a Warhammer Legends datasheet so that you can continue to use it in your games.

Also, the table of contents is not insignificant...

Spoiler:

**Redemption**

And still no 40k rules for all the cool AdMech units.

**Billagio**

Kanluwen wrote:
Inside Imperial Armour Compendium article up on Warhammer Community.

Big takeaways:

We’ll be taking a closer look at the forces of Krieg later in the week, but it’s not just these stoic warriors that are featured in the book though, there are also datasheets for some of the Space Marines Chapters of Renown – Red Scorpions, Minotaurs, Blood Ravens, Astral Claws, and Carcharodons. This means that you’ll be able to field such legendary warriors as Carab Culln the Risen and Asterion Moloc in your games of Warhammer 40,000.

* If a unit exists but doesn’t have a datasheet in this book, don’t worry! It will be getting a Warhammer Legends datasheet so that you can continue to use it in your games.

Also, the table of contents is not insignificant...

Spoiler:

I wonder if theres any significance to the Leviathan losing "Relic" other than not having to pay the unit tax

**H.B.M.C.**

RIP Repressor.

Can't wait for the Legends document. If we see flamer-type weapons at Range 8" in that document then we'll finally know how much GW cares about FW units.

**tneva82**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
RIP Repressor.

And chinork. Then again this was known december already.

**Kanluwen**

Billagio wrote:

I wonder if theres any significance to the Leviathan losing "Relic" other than not having to pay the unit tax

There's only one unit with "Relic" listed in front of it, and that's the Contemptor...it's more likely to be a keyword now.

**Gadzilla666**

Billagio wrote:
I wonder if theres any significance to the Leviathan losing "Relic" other than not having to pay the unit tax

Nothing has "relic" in its name. No hellforged either, interesting. It looks like csm are getting Sicaran Punishers too. Nice.

Edit: Whoops! Missed the Relic Contemptor.

**Ragnar69**

Billagio wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Inside Imperial Armour Compendium article up on Warhammer Community.

Big takeaways:

We’ll be taking a closer look at the forces of Krieg later in the week, but it’s not just these stoic warriors that are featured in the book though, there are also datasheets for some of the Space Marines Chapters of Renown – Red Scorpions, Minotaurs, Blood Ravens, Astral Claws, and Carcharodons. This means that you’ll be able to field such legendary warriors as Carab Culln the Risen and Asterion Moloc in your games of Warhammer 40,000.

* If a unit exists but doesn’t have a datasheet in this book, don’t worry! It will be getting a Warhammer Legends datasheet so that you can continue to use it in your games.

Also, the table of contents is not insignificant...

Spoiler:

I wonder if theres any significance to the Leviathan losing "Relic" other than not having to pay the unit tax

Probably dropping to WS/BS 3+

**Kanluwen**

Combat Patrols article

For a long time, the Start Collecting! boxes have been a great way to begin a Warhammer 40,000 army or to add to an existing one. Now, as new codexes and codex supplements come out, they will start to be replaced with Combat Patrol boxes instead. The Combat Patrol kits are an entire army in a box. As the name implies, each one contains a complete Combat Patrol-sized force of 25 Power or 500 points. That makes them perfect for getting started with the smaller-sized games of Warhammer 40,000, which are full of fast-paced action and a great way to learn the rules for your new army.

Combat Patrol sets are also ideal as a base for building a larger army. So, once you’ve played a few games at Combat Patrol level, you can easily expand to an Incursion-sized force and beyond. If you like to play a rapid mobility game, add some extra Fast Attack options to your force. Prefer to unleash devastating firepower? You can pick up Heavy Support units and blast your enemies into oblivion! Here’s a couple of ideas of how to upgrade the Deathwatch and Space Wolves Combat Patrols into deadly Incursion-sized armies.

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Gadzilla666 wrote:
Billagio wrote:
I wonder if theres any significance to the Leviathan losing "Relic" other than not having to pay the unit tax

Nothing has "relic" in its name. No hellforged either, interesting. It looks like csm are getting Sicaran Punishers too. Nice.

Edit: Whoops! Missed the Relic Contemptor.

I'm definitely thinking that it's going to be a keyword function then.

**H.B.M.C.**

"The Start Collecting! range offers too much of a discount. Now we have more expensive boxes with slightly more product in them. Enjoy."

The best pat about the Deathwatch box is that it has no Deathwatch minis in there. No special character, no boxed mixed Kill Team, and no DW Veterans. Just Primaris Marines.

**Wha-Mu-077**

Matrindur wrote:
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Also the Hounds of Morkai costs 35€ but 5 Reivers and an upgrade sprue only costs 31€ so maybe there is more to this kit than we know

Or Geedubs wants to suck more money out of people and hopes nobody notices.

**Slayer-Fan123**

RIP Lias and Narvaez

**Crimson**

H.B.M.C. wrote:

The best pat about the Deathwatch box is that it has no Deathwatch minis in there. No special character, no boxed mixed Kill Team, and no DW Veterans. Just Primaris Marines.

That indeed is the best part. Every model is usable and the box is not saddled with old and ugly models. (Granted, the DW are the best of the minimarines, but they're still misshapen compared to the primaris.)

**Kanluwen**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
RIP Lias and Narvaez

As much as I loved Lias, I'm fine with him being gone.

**Gadzilla666**

Kanluwen wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
Billagio wrote:
I wonder if theres any significance to the Leviathan losing "Relic" other than not having to pay the unit tax

Nothing has "relic" in its name. No hellforged either, interesting. It looks like csm are getting Sicaran Punishers too. Nice.

Edit: Whoops! Missed the Relic Contemptor.

I'm definitely thinking that it's going to be a keyword function then.

Yeah, and I'm definitely thinking Machine Malifica is going to be DOA. Making it a keyword would make it similar to how "Relics" and "Infernal Relics" worked in 7th though. I think any keywords on the non-loyalists datasheets will be interesting, they could give us hints to how other codexes could work.

**Kanluwen**

Matrindur wrote:

Also the Hounds of Morkai costs 35€ but 5 Reivers and an upgrade sprue only costs 31€ so maybe there is more to this kit than we know

For context, the "Combat Squad" boxes they did for Hellblasters, Reivers, and Intercessors were not "half" of the price of a regular box. It was a little over--because the $60 sets are a permanent fixture while the Combat Squads were a splash release.

**GaroRobe**

Is there even a point in buying the Hounds of Morkai? Just buy a reiver box. The set itself has several heads with mohawks, and even the bald heads could pass for space wolves. Since they're not going to get special shoulder pads, that's not an issue either. Plus, I'd imagine any space wolf player, whether they have primaris or firstborn, would have plenty of bits to decorate the marines.

**Dryaktylus**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
RIP Repressor.

And... RIP Gorgon?

**Overread**

Hasn't the Gorgon been leapfrogging on and off being sold by FW?

**robbienw**

The Combat Patrol boxes appear to be stuffed full of initial release primaris stuff that GW over produced and nobody wants to buy anymore

**Dysartes**

Is the GK Land Raider Banisher new? I don't remember seeing it before.