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 Kanluwen wrote:
"This is too expensive" is something that is effectively an opinion, seeing as people will value things differently.

I hold zero interest in these boxes as they aren't things I like for my Raven Guard. Just like if a Combat Patrol set comes out for AdMech and it's Electropriests and Kataphron with a Techpriest--I'll have no interest. Things that don't interest me have zero value.

Ok, if nothing matters to you except your army, just stop posting on any other subject.

If you have no interest, prove it by not arguing with people who actually do care about things that affect them and/or people other than them.

It doesn't revolve around you and you don't care. We get it.

Voss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
"This is too expensive" is something that is effectively an opinion, seeing as people will value things differently.

I hold zero interest in these boxes as they aren't things I like for my Raven Guard. Just like if a Combat Patrol set comes out for AdMech and it's Electropriests and Kataphron with a Techpriest--I'll have no interest. Things that don't interest me have zero value.

Ok, if nothing matters to you except your army, just stop posting on any other subject.

If you have no interest, prove it by not arguing with people who actually do care about things that affect them and/or people other than them.

I'm not abiding by any rules that nobody else has to. Given the amount of time people spend whining about GW on here, in GW threads--I think you should start there before throwing rocks my way...and I seem to do a fairly good job of not spending time in chunks of the forum at large that hold no interest to me. And threads for that matter.


But anyways:
I posted the price breakdowns. People don't like the prices. That's between them and GW. You'll notice I didn't actually defend or say anything about the prices, beyond what the breakdowns were and that the savings seem to be roughly similar. Some folks chose to interpret that as a defense? That's for them to get over.

 Kanluwen wrote:
"This is too expensive" is something that is effectively an opinion

Of course it's an opinion. My point was that everyone "gets it." You may not agree in this particular instance. But the sentiment that "this costs too much, especially compared to before" is universally comprehensible by anyone who understands the concept of money.

Your breakdown was flawed because going from, say, a discount box that is $50 for what normally costs $100, to something that is $100 for what normally costs $150, is not offering comparable value, just because in both cases you're getting a $50 "discount," any more than saying $50 off the purchase price of a $20,000 car is equivalent to saving $50 off a radio that costs $90. Hence my comment about the old "buy more and save!" scam. This is a classic example of that. The value being offered by these boxes has been substantially downgraded.

 Super Ready wrote:
Y'know, price concerns aside - it's actually refreshing that a new model hasn't invalidated the old one on the basis of size alone. Everyone that already had a Monolith will have absolutely no issues continuing to use it.

Yep. Size being about same is good. If for nothing else less MFA claims with people using older models which would be easier to hide.

Price and LOW status is another thing. But size wise if new one would dwarf old one we would have inevitable complains about people using their old models. "You must buy the new one! That's MFA!"

Try hard pretend tournaments are causing so much trouble.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Anyone care to explain this?

Greed.

Nothing I need from it so I wont be buying it.

Still a decent value for the people who want them over retail prices

 Leth wrote:
Nothing I need from it so I wont be buying it.

Still a decent value for the people who want them over retail prices

It's okay if you know what you are getting yourself into, but this price point will not help get new players into the fold or get people to impulse buy. By adding another character to the DW box they've also stunted any chance of rebuys of the box so you effectively got a large army box that someone new to the army might buy, but will also not result in multiple buy-ins. This is also a box that is going to take up a lot of shelf space so this box kinda hits all the negatives on all fronts. The SW box fares slightly better as you're only getting one repeat character and that character can now be converted rather effectively into an Assault Intecessor.

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Leth wrote:
Nothing I need from it so I wont be buying it.

Still a decent value for the people who want them over retail prices

It's okay if you know what you are getting yourself into, but this price point will not help get new players into the fold or get people to impulse buy. By adding another character to the DW box they've also stunted any chance of rebuys of the box so you effectively got a large army box that someone new to the army might buy, but will also not result in multiple buy-ins. This is also a box that is going to take up a lot of shelf space so this box kinda hits all the negatives on all fronts. The SW box fares slightly better as you're only getting one repeat character and that character can now be converted rather effectively into an Assault Intecessor.

Less multibuys discount boxes is what GW wants. 1 box per player is what they want to sell.

tneva82 wrote:
Less multibuys discount boxes is what GW wants. 1 box per player is what they want to sell.

That would be all fine and great if a single box would actually help you get your army off the ground. I can easily see that being the case for Death Guard or Custodes, but not for guard, orks or nids.

It's no surprise that everyone is starting with marines when other armies require so much more money to start.

They're experimenting on the new "acceptable" price for their new wave of Start Collecting!. Oh maybe it'd be called "Stop collecting!" for some.

 Jidmah wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Less multibuys discount boxes is what GW wants. 1 box per player is what they want to sell.

That would be all fine and great if a single box would actually help you get your army off the ground. I can easily see that being the case for Death Guard or Custodes, but not for guard, orks or nids.

It's no surprise that everyone is starting with marines when other armies require so much more money to start.

indeed the pts / $£EUROCHF in starters is really in favour of elites and not the more "substantial" factions...
Then there are also boxes that are.. limited in their capacity to make an army of said faction... f.e. the CSM starter has for fluff players a rate of up to 2/5 or even 3/5 options in the box that are for some subfactions not wanted... because of the daemonkin theme. (not to mention the extremely arbitrary equipement options on the csm ...

Less multibuys discount boxes is what GW wants. 1 box per player is what they want to sell.

If these boxes were Direct Order only I'd agree with that assessment, but as big boxes that are going to take a lot of retail space they are atrocious. The old SC have a decent turnover in my FLGS, but these new ones are going to be a harder sell and people are not going to rebuy them, which means the FLGS will probably not want to order them to keep in stock.

That is also the problem people need to realize. Not only are the new boxes customer adverse, but they are also retail adverse.

you know GW makes more money per box if they sell it online and not via 3rd party stores
so a more expensive box that is more often sold via their own network gives more profit and GW can still claim that it is a lot cheaper than buying the stuff without the box

regarding the difference of the SW SC Box and DW CP Box, the argument will be that the DW Upgrade Sprue is double the SW sprue and therefore you still save a lot

 Galas wrote:
The new is much cooler. Not double the price cooler but...

I don't like the new fractured (?) design of Necron vehicles as I prefer the clean and closed surface that keeps its mysterious interiors hidden and does not show it off for everyone and were a good hit might go thru and kill it from the insight

it is part of the flair of Necrons that you cannot see anything

found on reddit

Was expecting it to look bigger?

Still getting one, in due course.

Good it's not bigger. Means players can use their old ones without TFG try hard wannabe "competive" players complaining about modeling for advantage.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Less multibuys discount boxes is what GW wants. 1 box per player is what they want to sell.

That would be all fine and great if a single box would actually help you get your army off the ground. I can easily see that being the case for Death Guard or Custodes, but not for guard, orks or nids.

It's no surprise that everyone is starting with marines when other armies require so much more money to start.

indeed the pts / $£EUROCHF in starters is really in favour of elites and not the more "substantial" factions...
Then there are also boxes that are.. limited in their capacity to make an army of said faction... f.e. the CSM starter has for fluff players a rate of up to 2/5 or even 3/5 options in the box that are for some subfactions not wanted... because of the daemonkin theme. (not to mention the extremely arbitrary equipement options on the csm ...

in starters? the points per dollars favor elite armies PERIOD.

A Guard player is proably buying twice as many Minis as Space Marines, just to equal points cost.

BrianDavion wrote:

A Guard player is proably buying twice as many Minis as Space Marines, just to equal points cost.

hence why boxes with fixed point costs are a good thing in general, yet other manufacturer price their stuff according to models needed in general and don't sell 10 models boxes at the same price no matter if you need 20 or 60

 kodos wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

A Guard player is proably buying twice as many Minis as Space Marines, just to equal points cost.

hence why boxes with fixed point costs are a good thing in general, yet other manufacturer price their stuff according to models needed in general and don't sell 10 models boxes at the same price no matter if you need 20 or 60

That still doesn't work when one army can get a usable unit from a single box, while others need three to four boxes of models to make a useful unit.

if those 4 boxes together cost the same, yes it works

GW just stopped doing it a long time ago, for the main reason that the numer of models for a working units changes over each edition and it is cheaper for them to make one box than adjust it with each new edition and army book

How would you price a box of lootas/burnas (3 required to make a unit of either) compared to a box of aggressors?

He's already said he would price by points. So if Lootas cost 100pts for 3 models and Aggressors cost 200pts for 3 models, the Lootas would be half the price of the Aggressors.
/Edit - If I read him right (might not be)

JWBS wrote:
He's already said he would price by points. So if Lootas cost 100pts for 3 models and Aggressors cost 200pts for 3 models, the Lootas would be half the price of the Aggressors.
/Edit - If I read him right (might not be)

exactly, price it by Powerlevel to be more in line with GW as points change more often, but overall this should solve some problems

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:


found on reddit

That's a really useful comparison. The new monolith is really detailed, but I like the charm of the old one!

It's lootas/burnas though, burnas are half the points of lootas.

In addition, an aggressor is 40 points, a loota 20. So, if aggressors remain at $50 points, a box of lootas would go to $83.33, or $250 for a single unit.

No matter how you cut it, points/PL are not a decent metric to make price units.

 Jidmah wrote:
It's lootas/burnas though, burnas are half the points of lootas.

In addition, an aggressor is 40 points, a loota 20. So, if aggressors remain at $50 points, a box of lootas would go to $83.33, or $250 for a single unit.

No matter how you cut it, points/PL are not a decent metric to make price units.

See , i rekon the pricing is not only also an issue in regards to price overall but also in regards to which factions are getting played and more importantly why GW has such issues with piracy, well beyond obvious service problems....

Man looking at the old monolith next to the new makes the old one look like a player made cardboard version lol.
I was expecting the new one to be much bigger but I’m pleasantly surprised that it’s the same size. Definitely getting me one whenever they decide to show up in Aus.

 Jidmah wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Less multibuys discount boxes is what GW wants. 1 box per player is what they want to sell.

That would be all fine and great if a single box would actually help you get your army off the ground. I can easily see that being the case for Death Guard or Custodes, but not for guard, orks or nids.

It's no surprise that everyone is starting with marines when other armies require so much more money to start.

Well maybe (but probably not) these boxes will reverse that trend. What do you even put in the guard box to get to a combat patrol (500ish points?) 2 tanks, 20 infantry and 2 characters? That box would be a steal at the new price point. Of course I personally don't think that will be the case knowing GW but we will have to wait and see.

That would be a great idea and I really hope that they will do such boxes.

The pessimist in me sees them just doing repeats of all the boxes in the past, which means guard will get characters, an infantry squad a heavy weapon squad, a sentinel, a chimera and a LRBT if you're lucky. Just like orks are going to get a dread, kanz, nobz and/or 3 warbikers like they always do.

Hmm yeah, good point. There's nothing stopping them having a tiered pricing system for CP boxes like they have with SC boxes but I guess they'd want to avoid large disparities which would somewhat limit the ceiling if that were the case. Maybe rig the points in some way? Or, hopefully, just offer great value boxes for horde armies, like you say. I'd love to see a big GSC combat patrol box with a ton of stuff in there for cheap.