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Giving plague weapons to DG possessed always struck me as something that should be common sense, as both the daemon and the Marine will be dripping in disease, so why shouldn't they be the same way together? Also, I hope that possessed also get DR.

 Jidmah wrote:

Abaddon303 wrote:
I'd personally rather see closer synergies with daemons rather than between the legions. Never really sat right with me seeing TS, DG and Alpha Legion all in the same army.
I really hope they do something to make summoning a fun mechanic, even if its not particularly competitive...

Agree. When Death Guard, World Eaters and Thousand Sons join forces, it should be as part of the Black Legion.

Agree with this as well. CSM are a chaotic selfish bunch. Only black legion is known for having different factions all join together and even then, its for some grand black crusade. Abaddon generally just lets them loose and they all go off and fight within their own factions and legion style. Never known even a black legion army to be able to field a multi faction CSM army which are giving synergy to each other in the field and coordinating tactics and such. If you look at the lore, the individual legions and renegade factions are mostly all just doing their own thing. Night lords will do hit and run, DG will be trying to infect everyone, world eaters just want to rip and tear.

I rather each get their own distinct rules rather than try and make CSM soup a inherent benefit. Imperium works together far better as a whole because there is strict order of command. Even then, it doesn't stop individual imperium factions from getting good and distinct rules. So, this should be even less so with the chaotic CSM factions.

if someone is intersted
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/12/04/death-guard-release-delayed-in-the-warp/
with Mortarion datasheet

I wonder if Contagions is an expanding MW aura/toughness debuff, given the battle round number dictates range.

Glad Morty keeps the sweep attack after all. 21 attacks on full profile.

Death to the false emperor is missing from the datasheet, wonder if this means its gone or written elsewhere.

New Warlord trait mechanic is interesting. Also no news on whether he is stuck with arch contaminator as default which was one of my problems with running Morty as I always wanted that trait elsewhere on the field.

apparently losing 40 containers of product will stop a release. Such bad luck.

Those containers are surprisingly large. If even half of them were full of codices (probably more, because models are made in Britain and not in China) I can easily imagine them not enough to having supply some countries. Google-fu tells me that each container can hold 20-40k books, so worst case over a million codices are now sleeping with the fishes.

People are also more likely to be understanding of the release moving to later because gak happens than them not getting their books and new models while others do. It also would give the scalper industry another boost.

So yeah, for once GW probably did the best thing possible, and maybe the pay for more secure locations for their containers in future.

Is there a link to a news story about lost containers? Did a ship go down or something?

Around 1k containers fall of ships every year.

A few days ago one ship lost 1.9k containers in a freak storm/accident, but it was going from Japan to California, so I guess it's not related to our problem.

New DG preview is up, looks VERY nice.

Hmm. We can’t double-tap plasma at 18”, nor hipshoot with blight launchers. We can double-tap bolters at full range, and we aren’t slowed down by owt. Interesting. Can’t tell if it’s still infantry & Helbrutes only, but.

Disgustingly Resilient has been revealed by GW to be -1 to incoming damage, as has long been rumoured.

I'm not overly impressed. It's situationally better for infantry (worse for d1, better for d2, same for d3) but worse for the big stuff who will be facing high damage attacks. And everything suffers against mortal wounds. I guess there is a chance there will straits and other things to mitigate this, but still.

Now im started to interested in the DeadGuards with Daemon of Nurgles. I will wait and see how people mix match both armies in one.

I wonder if the old DR will return as a strategem now. It would be interesting. On a turn where a DG unit gets focused on, you slap this old DR strategem to it and now, you not only reduce damage from weapons by 1, you also get the old DR on your unit.

Eldenfirefly wrote:
I wonder if the old DR will return as a strategem now. It would be interesting. On a turn where a DG unit gets focused on, you slap this old DR strategem to it and now, you not only reduce damage from weapons by 1, you also get the old DR on your unit.

That seems very likely. However, it would be a strat. That we have to pay for with commapnd points. That we also have to spend on additional detachments for mass psychers so we can protect ourselves against MW in the psychis phase. For a single unit. For a singel phase. Yay... All so you can protect your now nerfed vehicles.
Thank you GW for giving us a band aid we have to pay for, to slap on the wounds you've caused us. That's just an insult.
I'm not saying it's bad, but compared to an army wide 5+++ all the time, it's a slap in the face.

I don't really mind the change, to be honest. I did love 5+++ but I'll learn to love -1D and adjust accordingly. Played GW games long enough to roll with the punches and I've no intention to turn my back on grandpa Nurgle anytime soon.

 lare2 wrote:
I don't really mind the change, to be honest. I did love 5+++ but I'll learn to love -1D and adjust accordingly. Played GW games long enough to roll with the punches and I've no intention to turn my back on grandpa Nurgle anytime soon.

Everyone take a deep breath and be more like this guy

Part 5 is up.

contagions are totally not an aura (not effected by things that screws with auras) while being a "passive ability" whos radius is based on turn number (1/3/6/9") and Nurgle's gift is a -1T, and same named contagions dont stack.

Fortification can be set up 12" outside enemy deployment and always counts as round 4 for its contagion

It might be possible that every plague fleet has its own contagion.

 Jidmah wrote:
It might be possible that every plague fleet has its own contagion.

That would make sense and be very thematic.

In regards to the the containers, they left japan carrying goods from china to cali. So yes its relevant.

Contagions look extremely strong, well the -1T is anyway. Any mechanic for free that grows and debuffs the enemy is gonna be strong. Just depends if there are some as strong as Nurgles gift(although tbh that one is already a big boost).

With what we know so far, would it be better to equip a squad of Blightlord Terminators with Axes and Combi Meltas or Baleswords and Combi Meltas? I think axes and meltas for vehicle busting, you still probably be wounding on 5s at AP -2 (S4+2 vs T8-1). Swords would still be wounding on 5s at AP -3 (S4+1 vs T8-1).

Axes will wound MEQ on a 2+ rerolling which sounds nice to me!

(S6 against T4-1 due to the contagion)

Honestly, assuming Flails stay same rules, they are your best vehicle hunting threat in CC. Your Swords and Axes should just be to finish off a few wounds. The meltas are the real threat.

Due to that I would say axes as they are better against infantry (IMO)

For those not following the news threads: The FW FAQ clarified that all <LEGION> datasheets can be death guard.

 Jidmah wrote:
For those not following the news threads: The FW FAQ clarified that all <LEGION> datasheets can be death guard.

Does that mean drills are back on the menu?

 astro_nomicon wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
For those not following the news threads: The FW FAQ clarified that all <LEGION> datasheets can be death guard.

Does that mean drills are back on the menu?

yes it does.

I posted this in the Codex news thread but probably better here for reference:
I've been doing some mathhammer on which is better between axes and swords on Blightlord Terminators. With the new contagion rule bringing marines down to T3 i think it's commonly perceived that the S6 of the axe is better due to wounding on 2s. Against marines they actually perform identically and the sword is actually superior against most of the targets you would expect to go up against.
Surprisingly, the only situations that axes are significantly better is really space marine HQs and Ork Boyz.

Another thing I mathhammered is people's fear that Mortarion is gonna get wiped out by melta with the new DR rules being weaker. In fact, at T8 and -1 to damage, he actually requires more hits to kill him than he did at T7 and the 5+++.
I have plotted the difference in the graph below. Yellow is old Morty and Blue is new Morty. 6 damage melta used to take 6 hits to kill him while now it will require 7.2...

Nice work. Very interesting, thank you.

@Abaddon303 Wraithguard are T5 not T3

Oh yeh sorry. I don't know what I was thinking there!