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Top takeaways:

Master Artisans may indeed be split into a hit and wound selection

No apparent super doctrine

Core restrictions abound

2CP to give +1 to hit to 10 CORE models probably means big unrestricted strats are going to die horribly

What else seems interesting?

Parent Chapter
Ultramarines

Chapter Tactic
The Bond Martial

Each time a model with this tactic makes a melee attack against an Infantry or Biker unit, an unmodified hit roll of 6 automatically wounds the target.
Each time a unit with this tactic is selected to shoot or fight, you can re-roll one hit roll when resolving that unit’s attacks.

Relics
Armor of Zanaris

Primaris model only.

Each time an attack with an Armor Penetration characteristic of -1 or -2 is allocated to the bearer, that attack has an Armor Penetration characteristic of 0 instead.

Each time the bearer would lose a wound as a result of a mortal wound, roll one D6: on a 6+ that wound is not lost.

Banner of Echoes

Primaris Ancient model only. Once per battle, in your Command phase, the bearer can use this Relic. If it does, until the start of your next Command phase, the bearer gains the following ability:

Banner of Necthis (Aura): While a friendly Silver Templars Primaris Core unit is within 6” of the bearer, add 1 to the Attacks characteristic of models in that unit.

Warlord Traits
Accomplished Duellist

At the start of the Fight phase, if this model is within Engagement Range of any enemy units, it can fight first that phase.

Each time this Warlord makes a melee attack, if it made a charge move, was charged, or performed a Heroic Intervention this turn, you can re-roll the wound roll.

Precision Commander

In your Command phase, you can select one friendly Silver Templars Primaris Core unit within 6” of this Warlord. Until the start of your next Command phase, each time that unit is selected to shoot or fight, you can re-roll one hit roll and you can re-roll one wound roll.

Spiritual Synergy

Select one weapon this Warlord is equipped with (excluding Relics). Each time this Warlord makes an attack with that weapon, an unmodified wound roll of 6 inflicts 1 mortal wound on the target in addition to any normal damage.

Stratagems
The Swordsman’s Strike: 1 CP / 2 CP

Use this Stratagem in your Shooting phase, when a Silver Templars Primaris Core unit from your army is selected to shoot, or in the Fight phase, when a Silver Templars Primaris Core unit from your army is selected to fight. Until the end of the phase, each time a model in that unit makes an attack against a Character unit, add 1 to that attack’s hit roll. If that unit contains 5 or fewer models, this Stratagem costs 1 CP; otherwise, it costs 2 CP.

Claim Runes: 1 CP

Use this Stratagem in the Fight phase, when a Silver Templars Primaris unit from your army is selected to fight. If, when it was selected to fight, that unit was within Engagement Range of an enemy unit containing more models than itself, then until the end of the phase, each time a model in that Silver Templars unit makes an attack:

Add 1 to the Strength characteristic of that attack.

Improve the Armor Penetration characteristic of that attack by 1.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Banner Aura is one unit rather than all

*sigh*

"Sorry, Brother-Sergeant Delphinius. My squad saw the banner first and thus we have drawn inspiration from its mighty visage. You'll have to wait."

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Banner Aura is one unit rather than all

*sigh*

"Sorry, Brother-Sergeant Delphinius. My squad saw the banner first and thus we have drawn inspiration from its mighty visage. You'll have to wait."

I don't think that's how it works based on that wording. It doesn't say there's any limit to the number of units that can benefit. Its only restriction is "once per battle". So if you have two eligible units within 6", each is "a friendly Silver Templars unit" and would get the buff.

I'm kind of tempted to make a small Silver Templars army. Mostly because they're fluffy.

 ZergSmasher wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Banner Aura is one unit rather than all

*sigh*

"Sorry, Brother-Sergeant Delphinius. My squad saw the banner first and thus we have drawn inspiration from its mighty visage. You'll have to wait."

I don't think that's how it works based on that wording. It doesn't say there's any limit to the number of units that can benefit. Its only restriction is "once per battle". So if you have two eligible units within 6", each is "a friendly Silver Templars unit" and would get the buff.

Oops you're right. I read it wrong.

 Daedalus81 wrote:


Oops you're right. I read it wrong.

Still not good news for Banner Bearers that were already marginal and one of the first things cut for points. You get +1 to one of the most worthless stats in the game, when killed you get to shoot, potentially a lot, or fight once. Half the time. Now your Relic is a Use Once while Sun Pistols and such are a Use All Game Long extravaganza.


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Precision Commander

In your Command phase, you can select one friendly Silver Templars Primaris Core unit within 6” of this Warlord. Until the start of your next Command phase, each time that unit is selected to shoot or fight, you can re-roll one hit roll and you can re-roll one wound roll.


So....

if you don't have a Captain/Lieutenant...

or if you have a lot of units that break off of a Captain/Lieutenant after starting the turn within 6" but not remaining within 6" during the shoot fight phase.

Technically you can reroll more than 1's, you can even reroll successes.. but you see what I'm getting at here? This feels REALLY limited compared to the Beatstick warlord trait.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Top takeaways:

No apparent super doctrine

They're a declared successor chapter of the Ultramarines. Which means their superdoctrine is the Ultramarines superdoctrine.

Was there really an expectation that they'd get a codex supplement level rule just for showing up in Conquest/WD?

Sterling191 wrote:
They're a declared successor chapter of the Ultramarines. Which means their superdoctrine is the Ultramarines superdoctrine.

Was there really an expectation that they'd get a codex supplement level rule just for showing up in Conquest/WD?

This. I have no idea why people expected them to get anything unique in this regard.

Also, I like how this literally who chapter got hundreds of times more effort put in their rules than worthless garbage Blood Ravens did

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Banner Aura is one unit rather than all

*sigh*

"Sorry, Brother-Sergeant Delphinius. My squad saw the banner first and thus we have drawn inspiration from its mighty visage. You'll have to wait."

I know it doesn't actually work this way, but still.

Oh... its bad. All of the relics and warlord traits are just worst versions of the normal Ultramarine stuff. Look at the banner, the ultramarine one gives +1 attack all the time AND fearless all game vs just +1 attack once per game.

Spiritual synergy is the same as paragon of war except it randomly excludes relics. Claim runes is good though.

is this an indication of the new codexes actually bringing a big nerf to marines?

 Irbis wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:
They're a declared successor chapter of the Ultramarines. Which means their superdoctrine is the Ultramarines superdoctrine.

Was there really an expectation that they'd get a codex supplement level rule just for showing up in Conquest/WD?

This. I have no idea why people expected them to get anything unique in this regard.

Also, I like how this literally who chapter got hundreds of times more effort put in their rules than worthless garbage Blood Ravens did

There hasn’t been a Dawn of War game in a while. Blood Ravens are likely to fade.

Breton wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:
They're a declared successor chapter of the Ultramarines. Which means their superdoctrine is the Ultramarines superdoctrine.

Was there really an expectation that they'd get a codex supplement level rule just for showing up in Conquest/WD?

This. I have no idea why people expected them to get anything unique in this regard.

Also, I like how this literally who chapter got hundreds of times more effort put in their rules than worthless garbage Blood Ravens did

There hasn’t been a Dawn of War game in a while. Blood Ravens are likely to fade.

Also because Silver Tenplars were used as a bonus draw to get people to subscribe to Conquest last year and Blood Ravens weren't. Blood Ravens have never had their own Codex Supplement and this is basically just an update of the one put out for Conquest for a wider audience. At least the White Dwarf Blood Raven article had more thought put into it than the Raven's original Index Astartes article.

Sterling191 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Top takeaways:

No apparent super doctrine

They're a declared successor chapter of the Ultramarines. Which means their superdoctrine is the Ultramarines superdoctrine.

Was there really an expectation that they'd get a codex supplement level rule just for showing up in Conquest/WD?

Hah. I copy pasted and I glossed right over them being UM successors. Staying up too late working of these days.


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footfoe wrote:
is this an indication of the new codexes actually bringing a big nerf to marines?

If they're keeping their free AP and super doctrines, they probably should take hits. We already saw Salamanders losing their hit reroll so this just further confirms MA getting split up, which is great.

Hopefully this means at the very least that Transhuman goes only to core if it doesn't go away entirely.

transhuman is not gonna be only core. Its there to represent marine physiology. It will affect all marines.

 ZergSmasher wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Banner Aura is one unit rather than all

*sigh*

"Sorry, Brother-Sergeant Delphinius. My squad saw the banner first and thus we have drawn inspiration from its mighty visage. You'll have to wait."

I don't think that's how it works based on that wording. It doesn't say there's any limit to the number of units that can benefit. Its only restriction is "once per battle". So if you have two eligible units within 6", each is "a friendly Silver Templars unit" and would get the buff.

Thats even worse. Nobody would take that over the constant benefits the other Relic Banners give.

It bugs me that they are a chapter with 'Templar' in their name and even have prominent yellow in their heraldry but are not Imperial Fists successors.

EDIT: Apparently I was confused and this thread was about Tome Keepers and not about Silver Templars...
EDIT2: No, I was correct in the first time and this was about Silver Templars...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Banner Aura is one unit rather than all

*sigh*

"Sorry, Brother-Sergeant Delphinius. My squad saw the banner first and thus we have drawn inspiration from its mighty visage. You'll have to wait."

clearly the inspirantion has a long cooldown.

2CP to give +1 to hit to 10 CORE models probably means big unrestricted strats are going to die horribly

I really don't like that, at least for books that are going to have to wait for an update.

Karol wrote:
I really don't like that, at least for books that are going to have to wait for an update.

You won't get CORE nerfs until your codex hits. The only thing changing mid-stream is weapons.

I just hope that some core unit wide stratagems from PA or codex won't suddenly turn in to one storm bolter in your unit has str5.

I take it this is about the Tome Keepers?

Bit divided about which chapter to go with for a Kill Team( from the Recruit Edition set ); Tome Keepers or Blood Ravens. 40K they might not be up to snuff, but with KT its really down to the colour scheme and I just can't decide!

Ah and the lore about the WD dudes seems interesting, specialy for a primaris only chapter. This months WD had ton of cool stuff, actualy worth buying.

SamusDrake wrote:
I take it this is about the Tome Keepers?

Oh, I though this was about Silver Templars...

Bit confused because the White Dwarf Chapter is the Tome Keepers. Its the one created by the WD studio.

I take it this is discussing the new issue Index article...ah.

SamusDrake wrote:
Bit confused because the White Dwarf Chapter is the Tome Keepers. Its the one created by the WD studio.

I take it this is discussing the new issue Index article...ah.

I'm not sure any more...

Silver Templars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q6u7xEcnv8&feature=youtu.be&t=1269

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Silver Templars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q6u7xEcnv8&feature=youtu.be&t=1269

Or if you prefer images, they've been in news and rumour a couple of days

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/792070.page#10927627

So basically, they're silver Black Templars. Gotcha.

SamusDrake wrote:
So basically, they're silver Black Templars. Gotcha.

well sure except they're an Ultramarines sucessor, and they're codex adherant and their shoulderpads are yellow.. and they use Librarians, and they don't belive the Emperor is a god and that they have a homeworld and aren't fleet based, they're just like the black templars...

wait a minute, thats nothing LIKE the Black templars!

seriously the only thing they have in common is basicly a love of swordsmanship, having templar in their name and that they are space marines

BrianDavion wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
So basically, they're silver Black Templars. Gotcha.

well sure except they're an Ultramarines sucessor, and they're codex adherant and their shoulderpads are yellow.. and they use Librarians, and they don't belive the Emperor is a god and that they have a homeworld and aren't fleet based, they're just like the black templars...

wait a minute, thats nothing LIKE the Black templars!

seriously the only thing they have in common is basicly a love of swordsmanship, having templar in their name and that they are space marines

You just have to be that guy, don't you Brian!