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2020/09/25 19:41:48
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Just a word of warning for those thinking of picking up the Tactical Terrain book, it appears to contain zero rules for the various terrain types. You cannot play a Tactical Terrain game with the rulebook for said variant of 40k. You have to get the cards.
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2020/09/25 20:06:07
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Ultramarine Terminator with Assault Cannon
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Just a word of warning for those thinking of picking up the Tactical Terrain book, it appears to contain zero rules for the various terrain types. You cannot play a Tactical Terrain game with the rulebook for said variant of 40k.
You have to get the cards.
LOL!!! I guess GW is going all in on the DLC sales model.
Despite 9th editions core rules looking solid I suspect that this edition overall will be terrible and we'll see a large retraction in actual game play. I'm sure it will be anecdotally blamed on the pandemic. After all how could the first ever official Tourny-Hammer edition be hot garbage?
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2020/09/25 20:11:31
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Just a word of warning for those thinking of picking up the Tactical Terrain book, it appears to contain zero rules for the various terrain types. You cannot play a Tactical Terrain game with the rulebook for said variant of 40k.
You have to get the cards.
Like I said, the whole plan is to charge people three times: first for the expensive GW-branded terrain, second for the expensive GW-branded rulebook that doesn't actually have rules, and then a third time for the expensive GW-branded datacards that have said rules.
It's the most blatant cash-grab imaginable, and all coming at the expense of the integrity of the hobby, by actively encouraging people to select their terrain for advantage and promoting mixed boards where half the board looks like one thing and the other half looks like something completely different.
It's honestly the worst thing GW has done in a long, long time. And that's quite the achievement.
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2020/09/25 20:39:05
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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What does the book have if it doesn't have rules?
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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2020/09/25 20:55:31
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Lots of pictures I assume.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
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2020/09/25 21:02:18
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Those are called Advertisements.
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Disclaimer - I am a Games Workshop Shareholder. |
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2020/09/25 21:05:57
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Well it has the missions and the base rules for how the system works, I assume. But it doesn't have the rules for the individual terrain pieces you can then use in that system.
Kinda like how the 40k rulebook doesn't have unit stats in it.
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2020/09/25 21:07:01
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Aye! Buy this terrain right here! You can bring it to the battle with you and it gives you bonuses to your army! Your opponents will love the fact that you place the terrain exactly where you need it and prevents them from doing pretty much anything. Loads of fun for everyone! Look how gothic this looks! Grimdak!!! Lots of smiling.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder |
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2020/09/26 04:07:28
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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1. How to play tactical terrain games. 2. How much terrain you can choose per the 4 various size of games. 3. The complete basic rules for 40K reprinted. 4. The above includes all the secondary objectives we already have, pus a few more building specific ones. 5. 6x4 missions, one set of 6 per size of game. And that's it. It contains none of the rules for the various buildings, so you cannot play this style of 40K game by buying the rulebook.
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2020/09/26 06:26:55
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Just a word of warning for those thinking of picking up the Tactical Terrain book, it appears to contain zero rules for the various terrain types. You cannot play a Tactical Terrain game with the rulebook for said variant of 40k.
You have to get the cards.
What did i Tell people?
Gw starting to behave similarly to the Video Games industry?
I can't say i am surprised... But still ffs gw.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2020/09/26 09:15:18
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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H.B.M.C. wrote:1. How to play tactical terrain games. 2. How much terrain you can choose per the 4 various size of games. 3. The complete basic rules for 40K reprinted. 4. The above includes all the secondary objectives we already have, pus a few more building specific ones. 5. 6x4 missions, one set of 6 per size of game. And that's it. It contains none of the rules for the various buildings, so you cannot play this style of 40K game by buying the rulebook. Well, that kind of would have made sense if it came shrink-wrapped with the cards. Oh well, I guess this seems to be dead on arrival, so I don't have to bother with getting any of these rules. They simply don't understand how to properly market their niche rules.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/09/26 09:16:01
7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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2020/09/26 09:36:36
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Re-used art, pretty pics of models, & re-hashed lore?
Oh, and a hefty price tag.
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2020/09/26 11:59:55
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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Watch it still sell like hotcakes though. If GW has shown anything it's that people will still shovel money at them for garbage and say how awesome it is.
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2020/09/26 14:23:14
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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Wayniac wrote:Watch it still sell like hotcakes though. If GW has shown anything it's that people will still shovel money at them for garbage and say how awesome it is.
Not this one I think, especially with codex SM due for preorder next week. This will be a solid dud.
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2020/09/26 15:12:31
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Yeah GW finally seems to have pushed it too far, I can't remember the last time a GW release got so roundly panned by almost everyone. Seems like at least 90% of the reaction is negative.
It's encouraging to see that there is some level of slop that not even GW can sell simply by slapping its logo on it.
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2020/09/26 15:25:42
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Human Auxiliary to the Empire
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Its not even hot garbage. Its half a bin of hot garbage.
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2020/09/26 16:35:54
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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bullyboy wrote:Wayniac wrote:Watch it still sell like hotcakes though. If GW has shown anything it's that people will still shovel money at them for garbage and say how awesome it is.
Not this one I think, especially with codex SM due for preorder next week. This will be a solid dud.
I hope so. This one is really taking the piss so it needs to be just trashed to send a clear message.
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2020/09/26 16:47:29
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Half a bin of lukewarm garbage, fuel and extra garbage required to create a true dumpster fire sold separately.
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2020/09/26 17:32:19
Subject: Re:Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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then going over to the GW website...the prices, yikes. $40 for each little manual? Jog on. The terrain is priced high overall too, so glad I'm pretty stacked in terrain.
Since the codex and a few kits are expected the following week, absolutely no reason to be buying any of this.
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2020/09/26 18:05:26
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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According to Goonhammer even if you did buy everything, the rules are for their new terrain sets only and you have to build them in a specific way to use them with the datasheets.
I think the size of this product's target group might be in the single digits.
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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2020/09/26 18:22:42
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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as big on terrain as I am, this is fething stupid!
the kits are cool but not to be used the way they are proposed.
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2020/09/27 07:13:44
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Racerguy180 wrote:as big on terrain as I am, this is fething stupid!
the kits are cool but not to be used the way they are proposed.
It's frankly ridiculous and summed up nicely.
yukishiro1 wrote:
Half a bin of lukewarm garbage, fuel and extra garbage required to create a true dumpster fire sold separately.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2020/09/27 12:02:44
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle
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Wayniac wrote:Watch it still sell like hotcakes though. If GW has shown anything it's that people will still shovel money at them for garbage and say how awesome it is.
Hah, there is a long history of less-popular GW items sitting on shelves unsold for years. People just use that argument in place of understanding that subjective opinion of product =/= actual value of product.
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Road to Renown! It's like classic Path to Glory, but repaired, remastered, expanded! https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/778170.page
I chose an avatar I feel best represents the quality of my post history.
I try to view Warhammer as more of a toolbox with examples than fully complete games. |
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2020/09/27 23:10:52
Subject: Re:Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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The relevant part of this video pretty much sums up why this book is awful.
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2020/09/28 10:56:49
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Walking Dead Wraithlord
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Best 40k edition ever guys.. GW said so guys...
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2020/09/28 12:30:57
Subject: Re:Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Revving Ravenwing Biker
Wrexham, North Wales
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Well, he's a happy chap.....
On the face of it I like the idea of 'active' terrain. I wish more games had it. But... the long-standing issue of Imperium-centric kits, the packaging of building stats separately, and the current collapse of civilization as we know it means that it's probably going to struggle.
Likewise the Crusade book. I like the idea (I quite liked the 'Warzone' books of the second iteration of Apocalypse) but I agree with the grumpy reviewer, it needs a higher ratio of fluff/crunch. (Although I know that everyone's preferred ratio is probably different).
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2020/09/28 12:57:09
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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Nah, I don't need tons of fluff in a campaign book. When playing narrative games I want my opponent and me to be the ones telling the story, I do not reenact someone else's story. In general the crusade book looks rather decent, a good candidate for getting out of shipping fees when the DG codex drops.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/09/28 12:57:48
7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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2020/09/28 12:57:50
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Bamberg / Erlangen
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It makes sense from a certain angle that you have your "core rulebook" for Tactical Deployment and then you buy the actual datasheets for the respective Battlezone, just as you do with core rulebook and codizes. At the current price point and what is on offer though, I'll give it a pass.
Eventually I might pick up the terrain to use with the basic terrain rules, because I like the look. Here's hoping that future battlezones will have Xenos buildings. That would be sweet.
Because some additional rules that nobody has to bother with are clearly taking away from the actual core game and rules.
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2020/09/28 14:51:19
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Bad rules shouldn't be celebrated nor given a pass. The "Tactical Terrain" book is worthless, especially given that it is unplayable out of the box (or shrink wrap, rather).
It should have had the terrain rules in there, rather than a complete reprint of the basic 40K rules.
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2020/09/28 15:11:24
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Bamberg / Erlangen
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My bad, I meant to say "I will not buy it". I thought it to have the same meaning as "hard pass".
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