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2020/09/28 15:25:36
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
a_typical_hero wrote: My bad, I meant to say "I will not buy it". I thought it to have the same meaning as "hard pass".
I'm a bit fuzzy on the "hard pass" thing. At first scan I thought it meant "I found it hard to pass it up" ie an individual gave it some thought and then reluctantly decided not to purchase said item. But it seems to be used to say "No way am I buying that piece of junk!"
But I digress.
2020/09/28 16:57:21
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
H.B.M.C. wrote: Bad rules shouldn't be celebrated nor given a pass. The "Tactical Terrain" book is worthless, especially given that it is unplayable out of the box (or shrink wrap, rather).
I dunno, winter is coming and the panic buyers are stripping the shelves of bog roll once again. Someone might get desperate!
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2020/09/28 18:23:14
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
H.B.M.C. wrote: Bad rules shouldn't be celebrated nor given a pass. The "Tactical Terrain" book is worthless, especially given that it is unplayable out of the box (or shrink wrap, rather).
It should have had the terrain rules in there, rather than a complete reprint of the basic 40K rules.
Agreed. At the very leastGW could have bundled them together into a single product. Instead they took what was a whole product and split it into multiple pieces bought separately. It would be like selling the body for a new miniature in one box while all of its arms and weapon options come in a different box.
I'm happy they split it up for maximum cash grab effect, it makes it less likely to catch on and anything that increases the chances of the buy-GW-branded-terrain-for-competitive-advantage thing flopping is a good change in my book.
Nothing better than seeing GW get hoisted on its own petard on this one. They might have been successful if they hadn't been so transparently greedy, so it's good for people like me that they weren't able to control themselves.
2020/09/28 18:55:21
Subject: Re:Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
I don't know, reading FB there's a lot of people that like this release. The real world is not as bitter as we are
Though there's a fair amount of people disappointed that it's going to be playable in Matched/Competitive, and that it's Imperium terrain AGAIN. But I wouldn't be so sure about the flop you hope for. Never forget the silent majority who don't read forums and just buy things they like because they think it's cool at first glance.
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2020/09/28 22:23:17
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
a_typical_hero wrote: My bad, I meant to say "I will not buy it". I thought it to have the same meaning as "hard pass".
I'm a bit fuzzy on the "hard pass" thing. At first scan I thought it meant "I found it hard to pass it up" ie an individual gave it some thought and then reluctantly decided not to purchase said item. But it seems to be used to say "No way am I buying that piece of junk!"
But I digress.
I think you've got the meaning now. It's an extra-strong version of "I'll pass, thanks".
Imagine if you will, that "I'll pass" is like politely saying no thank you to the salesman and smiling as you close the door, whereas "hard pass" is the equivalent of scowling and shutting the door before they've even finished their sentence.
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"Hard pressed on my right. My centre is yielding. Impossible to manoeuvre. Situation excellent. I am attacking." - General Ferdinand Foch
2020/09/28 22:32:44
Subject: Re:Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
Aaranis wrote: I don't know, reading FB there's a lot of people that like this release. The real world is not as bitter as we are
For people who only play in their own (or their buddy's) garage, 'bringing their own terrain' makes no difference at all. It simply isn't a factor, so they don't have to deal with any of the issues this generates.
Efficiency is the highest virtue.
2020/09/28 22:53:34
Subject: Re:Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
Aaranis wrote: I don't know, reading FB there's a lot of people that like this release. The real world is not as bitter as we are
For people who only play in their own (or their buddy's) garage, 'bringing their own terrain' makes no difference at all. It simply isn't a factor, so they don't have to deal with any of the issues this generates.
Depending upon the group you're wrong on that.
And all of us who may choose to use this stuff have to deal with the co$t & any transport issues.
2020/09/28 23:38:51
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
Aaranis wrote: I don't know, reading FB there's a lot of people that like this release. The real world is not as bitter as we are
For people who only play in their own (or their buddy's) garage, 'bringing their own terrain' makes no difference at all. It simply isn't a factor, so they don't have to deal with any of the issues this generates.
Depending upon the group you're wrong on that.
And all of us who may choose to use this stuff have to deal with the co$t & any transport issues.
No. 'For people who only play in their garage' is pretty clear.
'Everyone else' is obviously outside that group, and 'has to deal with any of the issues this stuff generates.'
You're agreeing with me.
Efficiency is the highest virtue.
2020/09/29 01:47:58
Subject: Re:Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
Aaranis wrote: I don't know, reading FB there's a lot of people that like this release. The real world is not as bitter as we are
For people who only play in their own (or their buddy's) garage, 'bringing their own terrain' makes no difference at all. It simply isn't a factor, so they don't have to deal with any of the issues this generates.
Depending upon the group you're wrong on that.
And all of us who may choose to use this stuff have to deal with the co$t & any transport issues.
No. 'For people who only play in their garage' is pretty clear.
'Everyone else' is obviously outside that group, and 'has to deal with any of the issues this stuff generates.'
You're agreeing with me.
No, I'm not agreeing with you.
If I'm hosting a game & someones bringing this stuff they have to buy it, assemble it, paint it, transport it, & then we have whatever rules debates might ensue. As well as whatever future BSGW attaches. This is no different than if the game were occurring at one of the local shops - except we can enjoy a beer & masks aren't required.
2020/09/29 01:53:19
Subject: Re:Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
Aaranis wrote: I don't know, reading FB there's a lot of people that like this release. The real world is not as bitter as we are
For people who only play in their own (or their buddy's) garage, 'bringing their own terrain' makes no difference at all. It simply isn't a factor, so they don't have to deal with any of the issues this generates.
Depending upon the group you're wrong on that.
And all of us who may choose to use this stuff have to deal with the co$t & any transport issues.
No. 'For people who only play in their garage' is pretty clear.
'Everyone else' is obviously outside that group, and 'has to deal with any of the issues this stuff generates.'
You're agreeing with me.
No, I'm not agreeing with you.
If I'm hosting a game & someones bringing this stuff they have to buy it, assemble it, paint it, transport it, & then we have whatever rules debates might ensue. As well as whatever future BSGW attaches. This is no different than if the game were occurring at one of the local shops - except we can enjoy a beer & masks aren't required.
Let me try again.
Aarinis mentioned that Facebook has a lot of people who like this release. And said it was due to 'the real world' being less bitter.
I replied that players and groups who have one garage location don't have any of issues of transporting terrain and the like- the obvious implication being that they keep all their stuff there all the time.
If YOU are not part of THAT GROUP, then I was not referring to YOU. You'd be in the 'everyone else' having issues with this release. You're in the group that has issues. And obviously you agree that you have issues with it.
Efficiency is the highest virtue.
2020/09/29 06:23:53
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
How do you play in a garage? Wouldn't the owner just send police after you, I mean that is what happens here if someone tries to skateboard or sit around in a garage here.
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
2020/09/29 06:31:29
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
Karol wrote: How do you play in a garage? Wouldn't the owner just send police after you, I mean that is what happens here if someone tries to skateboard or sit around in a garage here.
They mean a one-vehicle garage at a home, not a commercial garage.
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2020/09/29 07:34:21
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
Karol wrote: How do you play in a garage? Wouldn't the owner just send police after you, I mean that is what happens here if someone tries to skateboard or sit around in a garage here.
They mean a one-vehicle garage at a home, not a commercial garage.
I think is a bad move, a cash grab, and I don't (and won't) support it in any way. This include avoid any event that eventually will use this rule.
Coincidentally, it's already a fuss to move my army and our club has a big selection of terrain.
On the other hand: it's been some time that I wanted to create an Evangelion-style building as an hangar for my Cerastus... And now I'll probably scratch build it
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2020/09/29 08:05:07
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
psipso wrote: We already got the fortifications detachments right? I just see it as a way to make more appealing to bring fortifications like stuff on the list.
If they only made it optional then I would think that is a good thing.
Especially for some armies, it would make total sense to bring some own terrain in their list (e.g. imperial fist, necrons, astra militarum, ...)
Never invade a hostile alien planet without bringing your portable broken down garage with you!
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2020/09/29 08:38:53
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
AdmiralHalsey wrote: Never invade a hostile alien planet without bringing your portable broken down garage with you!
Wait, you guys don't do that?
Spoiler:
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
2020/09/29 08:47:05
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
AdmiralHalsey wrote: Never invade a hostile alien planet without bringing your portable broken down garage with you!
Wait, you guys don't do that?
Spoiler:
no, most orks also leave this "junk" at home aswell, because it is just that worthless
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2020/09/29 08:51:40
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
Hey, it does have a worth now - it provides light cover and you get one free kustom job. Totally worth 80 points.
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
2020/09/29 09:25:15
Subject: Re:Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
Aaranis wrote: I don't know, reading FB there's a lot of people that like this release. The real world is not as bitter as we are
Though there's a fair amount of people disappointed that it's going to be playable in Matched/Competitive, and that it's Imperium terrain AGAIN. But I wouldn't be so sure about the flop you hope for. Never forget the silent majority who don't read forums and just buy things they like because they think it's cool at first glance.
The poor fools. Don't they know? Don't they understand?. Someone needs to tell them to stop.
2020/09/29 13:28:30
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
Aaranis wrote: I don't know, reading FB there's a lot of people that like this release. The real world is not as bitter as we are
Though there's a fair amount of people disappointed that it's going to be playable in Matched/Competitive, and that it's Imperium terrain AGAIN. But I wouldn't be so sure about the flop you hope for. Never forget the silent majority who don't read forums and just buy things they like because they think it's cool at first glance.
The poor fools. Don't they know? Don't they understand?. Someone needs to tell them to stop.
All is well, stop questioning just consooomee.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2020/09/30 05:54:57
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
Karol wrote: How do you play in a garage? Wouldn't the owner just send police after you, I mean that is what happens here if someone tries to skateboard or sit around in a garage here.
Uuh seriously? On what grounds police arrests you on your own private property?
Spoiler:
Poor picture but anyway that's garage. Not all have all space taken by cars and anyway you can temporarily move car away and lift table in if that's needed anyway.
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2020/09/30 06:25:26
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
Oh, okey private garages are something only for the very very rich here. Everyone else has to use the public ones or the ones that belong to the whole housing community, and you can imagine that people are generaly not okey for others to be close to their cars for longer time. Specialy when it is not related to cars.
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
2020/09/30 07:54:02
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
Karol wrote: Oh, okey private garages are something only for the very very rich here. Everyone else has to use the public ones or the ones that belong to the whole housing community, and you can imagine that people are generaly not okey for others to be close to their cars for longer time. Specialy when it is not related to cars.
Today I learned a new thing about the world.
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2020/09/30 07:58:42
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
Outside of large cities garages are a normal thing, even in Poland, Karol.
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
2020/09/30 09:21:15
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
Jidmah wrote: Outside of large cities garages are a normal thing, even in Poland, Karol.
Depends a lot on where Jid, especially the eastern part is, shall i say, underdevelopped.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2020/09/30 11:38:25
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
KRakarth wrote: Its not even hot garbage. Its half a bin of hot garbage.
Nah, it's warm garbage which was originally cold yet has sat in the bin for so long that nature has got fed up and started the composting process in your kitchen.
Karol wrote: How do you play in a garage? Wouldn't the owner just send police after you, I mean that is what happens here if someone tries to skateboard or sit around in a garage here.
They mean a one-vehicle garage at a home, not a commercial garage.
Of course now we have a new challenge to explore:
Public "rogue" 40k games.
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2020/09/30 13:24:47
Subject: Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?
"Hard pressed on my right. My centre is yielding. Impossible to manoeuvre. Situation excellent. I am attacking." - General Ferdinand Foch 
