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That article is making me too excited for the new book. The extra attack was a surprise, but a welcome one.
   
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Complete guess, but I imagine remorseless will be the equivalent of Angels of Death. Might be different things in there, but I expect that's where hateful assault and malicious volleys will live.

Contagions of Nurgle will hold DR or something like that I think
   
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Doohicky wrote:
Complete guess, but I imagine remorseless will be the equivalent of Angels of Death. Might be different things in there, but I expect that's where hateful assault and malicious volleys will live.

Contagions of Nurgle will hold DR or something like that I think


Contagions will probably replace the plague hosts as sub-faction choice.
   
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Dudeface wrote:
What do peeps think a plague marine will cost now?


Really hard to say without knowing what Disgustingly Resilient is. If it stays as a 5+++, then Plague Marines will be. . . heck IDK they'll be really expensive. Can't see them less than 25 points if that's the case.
   
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Dudeface wrote:
What do peeps think a plague marine will cost now?

Depends on what DR will do in the new codex. A 5+++ will be stronger on a multi-model unit of 2W models than the rumored -1 to wound against multi-damage weapons.
   
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Dudeface wrote:
What do peeps think a plague marine will cost now?

I guess 23-25 points per model. It heavily depends on what they will do with DR though.


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Possessed also are looking really great right now - +1 toughness, 4 attacks base, plague weapon and apparently gaining access to army-wide abilities.

As for Remorseless and Contagions of Nurgle, I assume the first being the CSM variant of Angels of Death, combining bolter drill, hateful blows and death to the false emperor, while the later is likely to be DR (whatever form that might take)+X

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A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
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About time Plague Marines had A2 base.

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CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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 Jidmah wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
What do peeps think a plague marine will cost now?

I guess 23-25 points per model. It heavily depends on what they will do with DR though.


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Possessed also are looking really great right now - +1 toughness, 4 attacks base, plague weapon and apparently gaining access to army-wide abilities.

As for Remorseless and Contagions of Nurgle, I assume the first being the CSM variant of Angels of Death, combining bolter drill, hateful blows and death to the false emperor, while the later is likely to be DR (whatever form that might take)+X


Possessed change bodes well for any lingering hand me downs from csm like spawn etc.
   
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I used t think 22-23 per PM but with the extra attack as well I'm also thinking 23 to 25. Makes me wonder if flails will stay the same, because those are going to be brutal at 3 attacks.
Bit disappointing to see that the trend of increasing lethality continues but if everyone else is getting it we might as well benefit.
   
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The only issue with 25ppm PMs is that would their damage output be good enough to warrant that price?
All well and good being tough to shift, but if they are armed with normal bolters then no one cares until they get into close combat.
   
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 Jidmah wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
What do peeps think a plague marine will cost now?

I guess 23-25 points per model. It heavily depends on what they will do with DR though.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Possessed also are looking really great right now - +1 toughness, 4 attacks base, plague weapon and apparently gaining access to army-wide abilities.

As for Remorseless and Contagions of Nurgle, I assume the first being the CSM variant of Angels of Death, combining bolter drill, hateful blows and death to the false emperor, while the later is likely to be DR (whatever form that might take)+X

The article also says that Possessed will be getting Contagions of Nurgle. So if that's what DR is going to be called now then it's a pretty good guess that at least all the infantry units Death Guard share with the Undivided Legions will now have abilities to match the rest of the army. +1 toughness too.
   
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I would guess that Contagions of Nurgle may be the Doctrine/Protocols equilivant for running a mono-faction army. It sounds like something you cycle through.

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DR going to a 6+ is going to be a massive bummer for Nurgle Daemons.
Hopefully they have some new rules to compensate.
   
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Wow. Didn't expect a huge boost to possessed. 4 attacks and T5?

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Voss wrote:
Wow. Didn't expect a huge boost to possessed. 4 attacks and T5?

Want to bet this means they're finally getting new models?
   
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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Voss wrote:
Wow. Didn't expect a huge boost to possessed. 4 attacks and T5?

Want to bet this means they're finally getting new models?


No bet. The history of possessed models AND rules is so insanely stupid, I wouldn't even try to predict anything.
They've botched this more often than not- if the rules are starting to look good, they're either going to pull the kit or make a new one that's somehow even worse.

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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Voss wrote:
Wow. Didn't expect a huge boost to possessed. 4 attacks and T5?

Want to bet this means they're finally getting new models?


That would be amazing. I can't bring myself to get any of the current ones.

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My takeaways are Cult units are going to the Primaris stat line while the generic CSM units are getting a Death Guard overhaul in the new codex.
   
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 Sasori wrote:
 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Voss wrote:
Wow. Didn't expect a huge boost to possessed. 4 attacks and T5?

Want to bet this means they're finally getting new models?


That would be amazing. I can't bring myself to get any of the current ones.


It would be more amazing if those would be DG specific ones (though that is very unlikely).
   
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Dudeface wrote:
What do peeps think a plague marine will cost now?


Vague region of a Heavy Intercessor?

They’re not directly comparable of course, but I figure the greater offence is likely balanced against the greater defence?

   
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Greater what?

Heavy intercessors are T5/3W.

7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. 
   
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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Voss wrote:
Wow. Didn't expect a huge boost to possessed. 4 attacks and T5?

Want to bet this means they're finally getting new models?


A buff to Possessed to shift old models that don't sell well sounds far more like the GW we know and love

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 Marshal Loss wrote:
 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Voss wrote:
Wow. Didn't expect a huge boost to possessed. 4 attacks and T5?

Want to bet this means they're finally getting new models?


A buff to Possessed to shift old models that don't sell well sounds far more like the GW we know and love


Let's hold off on the perceived buffs until we see points. Extra attacks and T are all well and good, but if they cost stupid points then it's still worthless.
   
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Doohicky wrote:
The only issue with 25ppm PMs is that would their damage output be good enough to warrant that price?
All well and good being tough to shift, but if they are armed with normal bolters then no one cares until they get into close combat.

It seems pretty grim unless their Bolters get Plague Weapon too, which to be fair there is literally no reason they shouldn't.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Dudeface wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
What do peeps think a plague marine will cost now?

I guess 23-25 points per model. It heavily depends on what they will do with DR though.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Possessed also are looking really great right now - +1 toughness, 4 attacks base, plague weapon and apparently gaining access to army-wide abilities.

As for Remorseless and Contagions of Nurgle, I assume the first being the CSM variant of Angels of Death, combining bolter drill, hateful blows and death to the false emperor, while the later is likely to be DR (whatever form that might take)+X


Possessed change bodes well for any lingering hand me downs from csm like spawn etc.


I wouldn't expect it on Spawn, but the Lord/Sorcerer would seem in line, assuming they stick around.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...

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You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... 
   
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 Marshal Loss wrote:
 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Voss wrote:
Wow. Didn't expect a huge boost to possessed. 4 attacks and T5?

Want to bet this means they're finally getting new models?


A buff to Possessed to shift old models that don't sell well sounds far more like the GW we know and love

That's a possibility as well. It will be interesting to see what buffs, if any, the other cult marines will get besides the additional wound, and if Chosen get something as well in order to give the Undivided Legions a boost.
   
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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
What do peeps think a plague marine will cost now?

I guess 23-25 points per model. It heavily depends on what they will do with DR though.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Possessed also are looking really great right now - +1 toughness, 4 attacks base, plague weapon and apparently gaining access to army-wide abilities.

As for Remorseless and Contagions of Nurgle, I assume the first being the CSM variant of Angels of Death, combining bolter drill, hateful blows and death to the false emperor, while the later is likely to be DR (whatever form that might take)+X

The article also says that Possessed will be getting Contagions of Nurgle. So if that's what DR is going to be called now then it's a pretty good guess that at least all the infantry units Death Guard share with the Undivided Legions will now have abilities to match the rest of the army. +1 toughness too.


I am so excited for Possessed. These guys are going to be great running up the field at max unit size with psychic and character support.


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 Marshal Loss wrote:
 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Voss wrote:
Wow. Didn't expect a huge boost to possessed. 4 attacks and T5?

Want to bet this means they're finally getting new models?


A buff to Possessed to shift old models that don't sell well sounds far more like the GW we know and love


I plan to use the Nurgle Rotters Blood Bowl team for my Possessed.

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Giving Death Guard Possessed the same rules as regular Death Guard Marines will hopefully be the start of GW breaking the asinine way they give rules to Chaos factions.

And WS/BS3+ Daemon Engines across the board? Well ain't that nice.

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I'd heavily expect Plague Marines to be about 26 points per model, unless they nerf the heck out of their special rules. If their bolter ALSO gets plague weapon they'd be very good, and possibly under costed though.
   
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Are those new Dreadnoughts of some description in the background here?
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