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 Gadzilla666 wrote:

alextroy wrote:

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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I really hope everything getting an additional attack isn't Hateful Assault getting "baked in" as many have theorized. It would mean a lot of the Legions units will be inferior in cc to their loyalist counterparts. Plague Marines 2A, no additional attack on the charge vs intercessors 2A +1 on the charge/when charged. Bad for our fw dreads too. Malefic Volleys are still there, hopefully Hateful Assault is too.

They won't be superior to Primaris Marines, but they will be superior to First-Born Marines who need Shock Assault to get to 2 Attacks. That's actually not a horrible place to be based on the current background.

What "current background" says thin blooded loyalists are better melee fighters than millennia old veterans empowered by a God? CSM have always been fighty, with loyalists being shooty. It would also cause the issue of loyalist fw dreads having more attacks than CSM fw dreads, despite costing the same price.

Primaris aren't thin-blooded loyalist. They are the newest, bestest thing in Astartes. Just read their press.

With the price point they put PMs I’m starting to think there is also a chance that Blightlord terminators have maybe kept their 4++. I mean basically you can get 2x PMs (42pts) to every 1x BL (40pts). The damage 1 weapons on the Bl really hurts their damage output. The flail was the only thing killing stuff and there is a good chance it was nerfed.


Who knows if the 4++ will remain, but we will see in the next 2 weeks.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

alextroy wrote:

Spoiler:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I really hope everything getting an additional attack isn't Hateful Assault getting "baked in" as many have theorized. It would mean a lot of the Legions units will be inferior in cc to their loyalist counterparts. Plague Marines 2A, no additional attack on the charge vs intercessors 2A +1 on the charge/when charged. Bad for our fw dreads too. Malefic Volleys are still there, hopefully Hateful Assault is too.

They won't be superior to Primaris Marines, but they will be superior to First-Born Marines who need Shock Assault to get to 2 Attacks. That's actually not a horrible place to be based on the current background.

What "current background" says thin blooded loyalists are better melee fighters than millennia old veterans empowered by a God?

Reynold's Manflayer does. Abaddon's envoy to Fabius at the epilogue discusses Primaris with a flat "They are better than us, Fabius. Better in every way that matters"

Reynolds quit because the marketing department started ghost writing parts of his books? That's as cringe as the Alpha Legion stuff

Voss wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

alextroy wrote:

Spoiler:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I really hope everything getting an additional attack isn't Hateful Assault getting "baked in" as many have theorized. It would mean a lot of the Legions units will be inferior in cc to their loyalist counterparts. Plague Marines 2A, no additional attack on the charge vs intercessors 2A +1 on the charge/when charged. Bad for our fw dreads too. Malefic Volleys are still there, hopefully Hateful Assault is too.

They won't be superior to Primaris Marines, but they will be superior to First-Born Marines who need Shock Assault to get to 2 Attacks. That's actually not a horrible place to be based on the current background.

What "current background" says thin blooded loyalists are better melee fighters than millennia old veterans empowered by a God?

Reynold's Manflayer does. Abaddon's envoy to Fabius at the epilogue discusses Primaris with a flat "They are better than us, Fabius. Better in every way that matters"

One line, in one book, from one character. Sounds like this particular Black Legionnaire has an inferiority complex when it comes to primaris. Doesn't mean every other Heretic in the galaxy does.

So we don't have any idea what the Daemon Engine guy does do we?

broxus wrote:
With the price point they put PMs I’m starting to think there is also a chance that Blightlord terminators have maybe kept their 4++. I mean basically you can get 2x PMs (42pts) to every 1x BL (40pts). The damage 1 weapons on the Bl really hurts their damage output. The flail was the only thing killing stuff and there is a good chance it was nerfed.


Who knows if the 4++ will remain, but we will see in the next 2 weeks.

Don't the Relic Terminators still have their 4++? If they do then Blightlords will have it also as they are wearing the same armor.

Both types of relic terminator were consolidated into the regular terminator profile. Since we know that our terminators will go to 5" movement and that the Cataphractii Armour rule is eliminated by the new Inexorable Advance, people are assuming that the 4++ might get eliminated.

 Jidmah wrote:
Both types of relic terminator were consolidated into the regular terminator profile. Since we know that our terminators will go to 5" movement and that the Cataphractii Armour rule is eliminated by the new Inexorable Advance, people are assuming that the 4++ might get eliminated.

The brand new 9th marine codex also has a big spankin pic of a cataphractii terminator in the relic terminator entry and the data sheet lists a 5++ only...

I'm betting that's mostly why people are assuming they will be 5++

I’m curious if the MBH’s will now give a -1 to hit aura around then vs the +1 save bonus. Now that terrain rules have been flushed out it makes sense. This could make them very powerful indeed and worth the 140pts.

In terms of Blightlords I really can’t see a reason to run them unless they get a 4++. I would rather have 2x Plague Marines which are obsec, can put out more damage, and are more resilient for the same cost. It is the same reason you still do t see normal terminators in lists and only that assault variant with a 4++

Well, previews are out... and the lord of contagion is officialy without a model.
The combat patrol is leaded by typhus and the chosen of mortarion kit has only the blightbringer and the maligniant plaguecaster.

The Combat Patrol is kinda bad considering the fact that you get a named character in it that you don't want multiple copies of in your army. Weirder still is that it appears Lord of Contagion is now completely unavailable in any form unless Typhus will be double-dipping into that role.

I am also wondering about that champion box. One of those models is just a Plague Marine Champion unless something has changed.

Unless they intend to release Felthius seperately, since he's on his own sprue.

The Combat Patrol is bizare - why not just use all of the Dark Imperium models?
They use the DI Poxwalker sprue twice thrice, which has a random half of a Plague Marine on it...

 JNAProductions wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
Well, if they also had the third attack from Hateful assault, then 21 points would be really cheap.

I mean, compare them to intercessors at that point. They lose 1 movement and 1 ap on the bolter, but gain T5 -1 damage and much better melee. For pretty much same cost?

Much better melee? How do you figure-they get to reroll 1s to-wound on 2 attacks, +1 on the charge.

Am I missing something?

If hateful assault is a thing, then these guys have stock -1AP weapons (new plague knives) and RR1 to wound with the same number of attacks, right?

Interesting that they've recut the DI sprues. Might mean that we see some of the missing models (e.g. the Lord of Contagion, Plague Marines) come out as kits alongside the upcoming War Zone Charadon book? Bizarre to not have any LoCs on sale though, especially wihen Felthius' orb is now a wargear option in the codex.

Not impressed with the Combat Patrol, or with the lack of dice.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Interesting that they've recut the DI sprues.

I don't think that there's any evidence that they have re-cut the sprues?

Dark Imperium has the Death Guard/Marines on separate sprues. The Chosen of Mortarion is just one of the standard DI sprues.

Hmm. I'm wondering if those are going to be the most expensive way to buy poxwalkers so far.

Certainly the least valuable combat patrol box, assuming its $140 like the other three.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Interesting that they've recut the DI sprues.

I don't think that there's any evidence that they have re-cut the sprues?

Dark Imperium has the Death Guard/Marines on separate sprues. The Chosen of Mortarion is just one of the standard DI sprues.

The Poxwalker sprue had part of a Plague Marine on it, as did the "Chosen of Mortarion" sprue. So unless there is half a Plague Marine floating around in both sets it is pretty clear that they've recut the sprues.

Not a big fan of these new combat patrols, they clearly designed to discourage buying multiples.

I really have to decide now if I want to start an ad mech by picking up 3x start collectings or not.

I'm surprised that the combat patrol wasn't just the Dark Imperium half. And interesting choice to re-use the plague marine champion

Like, for combat patrol, it could have been the 7 snap-fit guys from DI, and then toss in the three discontinued easy build Plague marines (not the expensive ones)

 GaroRobe wrote:
I'm surprised that the combat patrol wasn't just the Dark Imperium half. And interesting choice to re-use the plague marine champion

Like, for combat patrol, it could have been the 7 snap-fit guys from DI, and then toss in the three discontinued easy build Plague marines (not the expensive ones)

How many pl di was? Combat patrols been　25pl. Unlikely to go at least signficantly more.

 Sasori wrote:
Not a big fan of these new combat patrols, they clearly designed to discourage buying multiples.

FLGS hate them. My FLGS really hates them as they take a lot of space and people do not buy multiple copies for their armies.

Don't think I'll be buying the combat patrol. Just want to make myself some DG possessed and get a few PBC's

I don't think DG Box is bad. Problem is rather that Typhus is... Typhus.

Although if price is reasonable it is not so bad. 7 Plague Marines and 30 Poxwalkers in multiples makes a nice horde.

Sotahullu wrote:
I don't think DG Box is bad. Problem is rather that Typhus is... Typhus.

Although if price is reasonable it is not so bad. 7 Plague Marines and 30 Poxwalkers in multiples makes a nice horde.

Presumably it will be $140 USD like the other combat patrols. If Poxwalkers are $35-$45 a box it makes it roughly as good value as equivalent CP sets

I really don't know why they choose to do it this way so you can't buy the Lord of Contagion anymore.

The know no fear part would have been exactly 25 PL with a second Poxwalker sprue (and the half Plague marine from this sprue could be used with the Champions of Nurgle pack they are releasing separately) so that would have been perfect, no idea why they didn't do that

I regret not picking the LoC off ebay when he was $10 or less

 GaroRobe wrote:
I regret not picking the LoC off ebay when he was $10 or less

Yeah, that thing has Skyrocketed.

I was expecting a DI split but we seem to be down on Lord of Contagion, easy build drone and the DI PM's.

We do have a new termi and some terrain.

The Combat Patrol box makes no sense. There are now DG models in the Codex that cannot be purchased anymore.