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The new one is hilariously bad, she's stocky like a dwarf and has gigantic clown feet. I know it's 40k anatomy but she just looks bizarre, the sculpt does not depict an agile gladiator at all. The old one is way better.

If the old one was still metal there was a competition, but with failcast? New one of course. Though I must admit the face of the old one looks better.

Old. In metal.
She's one of the few DE pieces I own.
Probably going to stay that way too.

 Irkjoe wrote:
The new one is hilariously bad, she's stocky like a dwarf and has gigantic clown feet. I know it's 40k anatomy but she just looks bizarre, the sculpt does not depict an agile gladiator at all. The old one is way better.

It's the way they photographed it. She's still has an Eldar-esq physique and GW haven't gone and made a mini of Abadon (as much as I would like it to be... )

I like elements of both. I love the fact that this is a sisters vs DE box. Literally made for me.

 Denegaar wrote:
Voted new because I prefer plastic and because I think new one paintjob and photos are not as good as they could be.

You're right about the paintjob and photo.

I still voted old because the new model lacks the grace I usually associate with Lelith. The 5th edition model (and art) gave her a sort of anime character feel (in a good way). I could see her moving in fast, weird ways and cutting down a dozen dudes without losing her calm, focused expression. The new model's pose reminds me of some kitbashes I've done with generic wyches (specifically the ones that come on the venom sprue). Her angry face somehow feels out of character for Lelith (try to picture that face on the the Lelith we see in Fall of Biel-Tan when Yvraine dies). I can't picture her pulling off graceful wuxia attacks. I feel like she's a brute that relies on strength over skill.

Old Lelith looks like she'd dance around your attacks and cut you ten times before you even felt it. New Lelith looks like she'd tackle you and angrily waste energy stabbing your chest over and over with her jumbo knives.

But that said, the "default" picture of the new model above is the worst one. The pictures that show the side and rear details look a lot better, and her paint job looks okay in the video with the dark background and probably some specific lighting going on.

Honestly, the new one looks like almost an exact detail for detail update of the old one, so I feel like at least for me they're the same, though not being in finecast is good.
The old face is less detailed, but I do have to say I think I definitely prefer her flat "Lilith is not amused," expression.

 Matt Swain wrote:

 morganfreeman wrote:
I wasn't fond of the old Lelith (which is still 'new' to me, as I started back in 3rd), but this new-new one is objectively worse.

Her hair got bigger but somehow also became less detailed. She's gotten weirdly thicc,
.

You know why.

Blah blah unhealthy image blah blah unrealistic standard blah blah women are not barbie dolls blah blah.

Of course we never see any space marines with realistic bodies...

Just gonna say, I don't see it. The new one definitely looks "bigger" than the old one. Actually, based on that picture, she looks like she's got in general "sexier" [she appears to have a much more defined waist-to-hips ratio as well as well].

Old. The pose on the new one bugs me and the hair is too big.

New. I like em thicc

Maybe it's just my view, but 5th edition Lelith didn't look at all like the rest of plastic Wyches. This one has a similar body and a similar face.

I don't like the paintjob at all, those pallid tones with darker shades always seem off to me. I paint my cults slightly darker and with less recess shade and they look way better.

I'm pretty sure the sculpt will look better than those images.

New Sculpt is VASTLY better, and the people saying otherwise are stuck with their rose tinted glasses with that awful constipation face.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
New Sculpt is VASTLY better, and the people saying otherwise are stuck with their rose tinted glasses with that awful constipation face.

There you go again, stating opinions as declarative facts...

You really should understand not everything you say is true just because you say so.

I have no particular nostalgia for the old sculpt, it is just much nicer in my opinion.
The new one is a technical marvel in plastic, no doubt. But aesthetically not as nice.

They are very similar, but I like the more robust complexion of the new one, more appropriate for someone whose entire existence is defined by being the best at killing in personal combat.

Overall, both are fairly similar. Both poses are similar enough. The hair is a bit better in the new sculpts. I much prefer the sterner face of the older model which is more in character I would say and also looks overall better. The painting job is a hell of a lot better in the older model. Overall I prefer the older one, but I miht get fooled by better picture and paint job though. All in all though both remain fairly mediocre models in my opinion, but I'm not a huge fan of dark eldar witch models.

So is it just me, or does the new (new) Lelith model look like she's spent the last 120 12 years eating pastries and turning into an old russian grandma?

The face seems off to me, but given how badly they butchered the Angelos paintjob, it might just be the paintjob.

That being said, I am slightly nostalgic for the original model.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
New Sculpt is VASTLY better, and the people saying otherwise are stuck with their rose tinted glasses with that awful constipation face.

The detail on the armor is improved, but the pose itself is just a little underwhelming. It's trying harder to be "acrobatic" while also not conveying a great sense of motion. I'm comparing it to the new Jain Zar and just not feeling it. To me, the new face just looks like she's trying too hard. The 5e face conveyed disappointment and disdain. This one makes me feel like the normally composed Lelith is losing a fight, mad about it, and getting desperate enough to abandon her normally collected composure. It makes her look less in control and less skillful.


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 BaconCatBug wrote:
So is it just me, or does the new (new) Lelith model look like she's spent the last 120 12 years eating pastries and turning into an old russian grandma?

The face seems off to me, but given how badly they butchered the Angelos paintjob, it might just be the paintjob.

That being said, I am slightly nostalgic for the original model.

Spoiler:

<Insert Scale Creep Joke Here>

I do think the original model is a great example of how to make the pale skin + dark armor work well together.

New one seems to have quite the arse on her. Doesn't look quite right for eldar physique.

The metal/Finecrap one. Maybe it's the angle, but she fits the image of a lithe Eldar better.

But even if the new one was better in every other way, I'd still say it's worse by virtue of being another modelling jumping off a Emperor damned ruin.

Yeah. The jumping rocks were neat when harlequins did them, but I don't want my entire army to be playing The Floor is Lava.

Tough call for me. Both have elements I like and dislike, both I feel could benefit from a smoother paint job on the face. In the end it came down to a very practical reason; the new one is plastic, the old one isn't.

Why not scan and make new molds for plastic from the old model? New one sux. Old one was... better. But there must be a half dozen better 3rd party models that are better in every way.

This one is an easy win:
https://www.ragingheroes.com/a/s/products/asharah-tgg2-ve-sf

 jeff white wrote:
Why not scan and make new molds for plastic from the old model? New one sux. Old one was... better. But there must be a half dozen better 3rd party models that are better in every way.

This one is an easy win:
https://www.ragingheroes.com/a/s/products/asharah-tgg2-ve-sf

Speak for yourself! That thing looks absolutely awful to me.

New one face it's a bit off puting i know, i keep thinking if they want to continue the Ynnari lore thrend with Lelith.

For those who don't know she's getting troubles to keep herself sated with the gladiatorial thrill and join Yvraine as a maybe permanent fix for her replenish soul practices.


Imho i still prefer the old face but i can see a brand new Harlequin member for my KT as a player posing as female Avatar of Khaine conversion.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 jeff white wrote:
Why not scan and make new molds for plastic from the old model? New one sux. Old one was... better. But there must be a half dozen better 3rd party models that are better in every way.

This one is an easy win:
https://www.ragingheroes.com/a/s/products/asharah-tgg2-ve-sf

Speak for yourself! That thing looks absolutely awful to me.

Ok... of course I can only speak for myself...
For myself, I would not buy the new plastic GW lump.
I would buy the above linked model, instead.
This is also better I think... but a bit racy for me and thus maybe why I like my sisters armored:
https://www.ragingheroes.com/a/s/products/shiveryah-ve-sf

What the hell is up with that new sculpt?

It's like someone took a female sculpt of a guardsman (just as badly proportioned as the current guardsmen models), and then stuck a half-melted DE head on the top.

But don't worry, kids, after 10 years of neglect, Dark Eldar are getting a whole swathe of other new models.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Sorry, did I say 'Dark Eldar'? I of course meant 'Marines', because it's always bloody Marines. Enjoy the mouldy breadcrumb we've thrown you, Dark Eldar players, because it's the only one you'll be getting this entire edition. It's your own fault for not playing a proper army.

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks the new one is a bit too thicc or busty for a Dark Eldar. I'm more puzzled with why they decided to redo Lilith, as she's not in desperate need for a redo. Why not reintroduce one of the old characters you axed for no reason?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 jeff white wrote:
Why not scan and make new molds for plastic from the old model? New one sux. Old one was... better. But there must be a half dozen better 3rd party models that are better in every way.

This one is an easy win:
https://www.ragingheroes.com/a/s/products/asharah-tgg2-ve-sf

Speak for yourself! That thing looks absolutely awful to me.

I second that opinion. The example provided here is just.. really bad.

The pose is good, but literally everything else not. Talk about over-designed armor.

I really like both of these models; I almost bought an old Lelith just in case I didn't like the new one, but based on Jain Zar and her faithfulness to the original, I figured I'd be okay.

The cool thing about her is that given that she's plastic, and that the hair meets the scalp in a topknot, any other wych face could do the trick (assuming, of course, that it isn't just a weak paint job).

The hair is over the top, but given that it actually has a weapon profile (which we haven't seen yet- it is possible that bigger hair = better weapon).

One of the things I love about the new model is the extra razorflail she's packing.

The other thing I'm curious about is the capacity for mixing Lelith bits into a wych kit. Could be a really fun box to play with, because you'll get conversion options in the same box. Imagine if Venoms get capacity of 6 in the new dex; then she gets an escort and a ride.

One more note on anger face: I don't have the books to hand, but if I remember, in previous editions, Lelith rejected combat drugs. If I'm not mistaken, 8th kicked out that prohibition, and who knows where it will go in 9th. But combat drugs do affect one's position on the spectrum between calm and enraged.

Finally, I'm curious to know if there are any options. We don't know what they'll do to wych weapons, and I always wanted to see Lelith use them all. Too small to magnetize I think- too bad.

She looks like a hobbit who ate one too many pies. Look at those massive feet! It's Samwise Gamgee in a boob suit.

Somebody said it was just the way they photographed it but if their professional photographers can't help making the model look like a hobbit there's something wrong with the model.