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 BaconCatBug wrote:
I like to think the Pathfinder has just dropped Nob Strength Acid and is like "Woah, I have hands."

Meanwhile the Space Wolf is all stern authority figure like "you might want to put that away before someone gets hurt, son"

 BaconCatBug wrote:
I like to think the Pathfinder has just dropped Nob Strength Acid and is like "Woah, I have hands."

All along the watchtower, in the background, as the G.I.Joe in space crashes the party all like “We are responding to a noise complaint, madam... please lower the amplitude of the sonic wave producer. Oooh boi. Look at what we have here... Are these your tabs, Jac-el?”
Another promising life lost to the IoM’s neocolonial war on drug induced galactic conform-or-be-purged parties.

 mokoshkana wrote:
She is powerful now! She’s been murder knows how long? Over time she’d develop muscle. Get on board with it and stop body shaming her

Being ripped to the point of having an extremely defined six pack has nothing to do with power and everything to do with dieting, dehydration and anabolic steroids. MMA fighters are on steroids. Hope I'm not breaking any news here. It's not biologically possible for a human woman to get that big and ripped without drugs. Let alone an elf. This is because naturaly the dieting required to strip the fat, to that extent also depletes the muscles. So they end up looking ripped but skinny. As someone who understands how bodybuilding works the body type in this model makes no sense. Her boobs would have been depleted to nothing as she has the abs of someone who's single digit body fat. Nor would her butt and thighs be that thick.

Lelith Hesperax is meant to be quiet and poker faced by all accounts. This model looks like a raging berserker.
She's also meant to be naturally aspirated. No doping of any kind. Yet her model screams steroid abuse.

I don't think the designer bothered to read her backstory or be told of it. And that the 40k sculptors are so used to marines that the faces and bodies just end up like armourless marines.

Handmaiden wrote:

 mokoshkana wrote:
She is powerful now! She’s been murder knows how long? Over time she’d develop muscle. Get on board with it and stop body shaming her

Being ripped to the point of having an extremely defined six pack has nothing to do with power and everything to do with dieting, dehydration and anabolic steroids. MMA fighters are on steroids. Hope I'm not breaking any news here. It's not biologically possible for a human woman to get that big and ripped without drugs. Let alone an elf. This is because naturaly the dieting required to strip the fat, to that extent also depletes the muscles. So they end up looking ripped but skinny. As someone who understands how bodybuilding works the body type in this model makes no sense. Her boobs would have been depleted to nothing as she has the abs of someone who's single digit body fat. Nor would her butt and thighs be that thick.

Lelith Hesperax is meant to be quiet and poker faced by all accounts. This model looks like a raging berserker.
She's also meant to be naturally aspirated. No doping of any kind. Yet her model screams steroid abuse.

I don't think the designer bothered to read her backstory or be told of it. And that the 40k sculptors are so used to marines that the faces and bodies just end up like armourless marines.

Please by all means share with us your extensive knowledge of biochemistry in fictional eleven species, lol.

 bullyboy wrote:

Handmaiden wrote:

 mokoshkana wrote:
She is powerful now! She’s been murder knows how long? Over time she’d develop muscle. Get on board with it and stop body shaming her

Being ripped to the point of having an extremely defined six pack has nothing to do with power and everything to do with dieting, dehydration and anabolic steroids. MMA fighters are on steroids. Hope I'm not breaking any news here. It's not biologically possible for a human woman to get that big and ripped without drugs. Let alone an elf. This is because naturaly the dieting required to strip the fat, to that extent also depletes the muscles. So they end up looking ripped but skinny. As someone who understands how bodybuilding works the body type in this model makes no sense. Her boobs would have been depleted to nothing as she has the abs of someone who's single digit body fat. Nor would her butt and thighs be that thick.

Lelith Hesperax is meant to be quiet and poker faced by all accounts. This model looks like a raging berserker.
She's also meant to be naturally aspirated. No doping of any kind. Yet her model screams steroid abuse.

I don't think the designer bothered to read her backstory or be told of it. And that the 40k sculptors are so used to marines that the faces and bodies just end up like armourless marines.

Please by all means share with us your extensive knowledge of biochemistry in fictional eleven species, lol.

That argument doesnt work, as elves/eldar are less likely and able to put on large amounts of shredded muscle than humans are. You dont see any Catchacan jungle fighter sized Eldar. Not one.

Handmaiden wrote:

 mokoshkana wrote:
She is powerful now! She’s been murder knows how long? Over time she’d develop muscle. Get on board with it and stop body shaming her

Being ripped to the point of having an extremely defined six pack has nothing to do with power and everything to do with dieting, dehydration and anabolic steroids. MMA fighters are on steroids. Hope I'm not breaking any news here. It's not biologically possible for a human woman to get that big and ripped without drugs. Let alone an elf. This is because naturaly the dieting required to strip the fat, to that extent also depletes the muscles. So they end up looking ripped but skinny. As someone who understands how bodybuilding works the body type in this model makes no sense. Her boobs would have been depleted to nothing as she has the abs of someone who's single digit body fat. Nor would her butt and thighs be that thick.

Lelith Hesperax is meant to be quiet and poker faced by all accounts. This model looks like a raging berserker.
She's also meant to be naturally aspirated. No doping of any kind. Yet her model screams steroid abuse.

I don't think the designer bothered to read her backstory or be told of it. And that the 40k sculptors are so used to marines that the faces and bodies just end up like armourless marines.

We don't see many Aeldari with bare stomachs, but the few we do seem to have one thing in common: Well-defined abdominal muscles. One might think that is the Aeldari norm.

 alextroy wrote:

Handmaiden wrote:

 mokoshkana wrote:
She is powerful now! She’s been murder knows how long? Over time she’d develop muscle. Get on board with it and stop body shaming her

Being ripped to the point of having an extremely defined six pack has nothing to do with power and everything to do with dieting, dehydration and anabolic steroids. MMA fighters are on steroids. Hope I'm not breaking any news here. It's not biologically possible for a human woman to get that big and ripped without drugs. Let alone an elf. This is because naturaly the dieting required to strip the fat, to that extent also depletes the muscles. So they end up looking ripped but skinny. As someone who understands how bodybuilding works the body type in this model makes no sense. Her boobs would have been depleted to nothing as she has the abs of someone who's single digit body fat. Nor would her butt and thighs be that thick.

Lelith Hesperax is meant to be quiet and poker faced by all accounts. This model looks like a raging berserker.
She's also meant to be naturally aspirated. No doping of any kind. Yet her model screams steroid abuse.

I don't think the designer bothered to read her backstory or be told of it. And that the 40k sculptors are so used to marines that the faces and bodies just end up like armourless marines.

We don't see many Aeldari with bare stomachs, but the few we do seem to have one thing in common: Well-defined abdominal muscles. One might think that is the Aeldari norm.

Yeah, wyches with bare torsos have cut abs. And all the eldar armor has abs on it. Turns out that's just the ab version of boobplate: they all need it just to contain their shredded fething torsos. Otherwise a single flex and blammo, all their abdominal armor suffers devastating structural collapse.

I'm sorry you dont like the canon, but it's not your decision to make. Personally, I'm not interested in this modern SJW agenda to snatch the protein shakes out of my yoked space elves hands because "muh realism real women don't look like that!!!"

the_scotsman wrote:

 alextroy wrote:

Handmaiden wrote:

 mokoshkana wrote:
She is powerful now! She’s been murder knows how long? Over time she’d develop muscle. Get on board with it and stop body shaming her

Being ripped to the point of having an extremely defined six pack has nothing to do with power and everything to do with dieting, dehydration and anabolic steroids. MMA fighters are on steroids. Hope I'm not breaking any news here. It's not biologically possible for a human woman to get that big and ripped without drugs. Let alone an elf. This is because naturaly the dieting required to strip the fat, to that extent also depletes the muscles. So they end up looking ripped but skinny. As someone who understands how bodybuilding works the body type in this model makes no sense. Her boobs would have been depleted to nothing as she has the abs of someone who's single digit body fat. Nor would her butt and thighs be that thick.

Lelith Hesperax is meant to be quiet and poker faced by all accounts. This model looks like a raging berserker.
She's also meant to be naturally aspirated. No doping of any kind. Yet her model screams steroid abuse.

I don't think the designer bothered to read her backstory or be told of it. And that the 40k sculptors are so used to marines that the faces and bodies just end up like armourless marines.

We don't see many Aeldari with bare stomachs, but the few we do seem to have one thing in common: Well-defined abdominal muscles. One might think that is the Aeldari norm.

Yeah, wyches with bare torsos have cut abs. And all the eldar armor has abs on it. Turns out that's just the ab version of boobplate: they all need it just to contain their shredded fething torsos. Otherwise a single flex and blammo, all their abdominal armor suffers devastating structural collapse.

I'm sorry you dont like the canon, but it's not your decision to make. Personally, I'm not interested in this modern SJW agenda to snatch the protein shakes out of my yoked space elves hands because "muh realism real women don't look like that!!!"

What you did there? I see it

I like the old sculpt better. The new ones toes are wierding me out as they look freekishly hulk like.. dunno I just dont like it.. Also the face looks wierd.

But the odds of getting a the kind of GW website level of model quality of the old model, is low.. relaly low. and you would need veyr good painting skills to turn whatever failcrap turn you recieve into that level of minature.

If I was had a gun to my head and told and was to choose which one I had to buy and paint, I would choose the new platsic one simply coz its plastic..

Yeah, I agree with that. I think there are a few aspects of the new Lelith's pose that I'm not sure sold on (also, like easily over￥4000) but...

...that old mini is a finecast model. And moreover, and Eldar finecast model. And a DARK Eldar finecast model to boot. In my experience, the big, flat, smooth surfaces of a space marine take pretty nicely to finecast, but fiddly detail and thin parts - something DE are usually made up entirely of? That thing is going to be more miscast than solid.

Still, shout out to all the incels and adult perma-virgins in this thread seething about a fictional, alien woman's body. Given me a great chuckle.
Mods, can we have a rule where before you talk gak about how a woman's body is allowed to look, you have to post pics of your own physique or your opinion can just be automatically discounted?

Yeah, they're an Alien...totally comparable to human physiology.


I like both models, so maybe I'm weird.

Handmaiden wrote:

 mokoshkana wrote:
She is powerful now! She’s been murder knows how long? Over time she’d develop muscle. Get on board with it and stop body shaming her

Being ripped to the point of having an extremely defined six pack has nothing to do with power and everything to do with dieting, dehydration and anabolic steroids. MMA fighters are on steroids. Hope I'm not breaking any news here. It's not biologically possible for a human woman to get that big and ripped without drugs. Let alone an elf. This is because naturaly the dieting required to strip the fat, to that extent also depletes the muscles. So they end up looking ripped but skinny. As someone who understands how bodybuilding works the body type in this model makes no sense. Her boobs would have been depleted to nothing as she has the abs of someone who's single digit body fat. Nor would her butt and thighs be that thick.

Lelith Hesperax is meant to be quiet and poker faced by all accounts. This model looks like a raging berserker.
She's also meant to be naturally aspirated. No doping of any kind. Yet her model screams steroid abuse.

I don't think the designer bothered to read her backstory or be told of it. And that the 40k sculptors are so used to marines that the faces and bodies just end up like armourless marines.

Do you want me to fully go into why you are wrong about this? BTW Sport Scientist, not a bro scientist. It is 100% possible for a woman to have this physique without the use of PED's, it requires a lot of luck, mainly in regards to genetics, but it is possible.

I'm hoping she looks a bit better from other angles, and with a less severely highlit painting style.

 Argive wrote:
I like the old sculpt better. The new ones toes are wierding me out as they look freekishly hulk like.. dunno I just dont like it.. Also the face looks wierd.

But the odds of getting a the kind of GW website level of model quality of the old model, is low.. relaly low. and you would need veyr good painting skills to turn whatever failcrap turn you recieve into that level of minature.

If I was had a gun to my head and told and was to choose which one I had to buy and paint, I would choose the new platsic one simply coz its plastic..

Of course she'd have hulk toes, she is on crazy large amounts of space elf steroids.

That said, the current soon to be replaced model is better and I am very happy to have the metal version of it. So no hulk toes for me.

Edit: I don't really care if she has ripped abs. I just think she looks way too thick for the quicksilver killing machine she's supposed to be. Lovely and deadly, fast and skilled. As was said way down in this thread, probably just a limitation of the medium she has to be as she is. Just think the last model looks much better compared to what they did with this one.

Female speed/power athletes have muscle, quite a bit of it. If we assume that some part of Eldar physiology is similar to the physiology of everything else in the setting e.g. the more powerful/stronger you are, the bigger you are, then she fits in. If she was too small/delicate she wouldn't murder everything in the combat arena, as at some point there would be something bigger and more powerful that would break her bones in one hit.

The idea that women can be fast (and develop sufficient force) to be deadly whilst looking like an anime character is a myth, it does not exist any longer at the elite level of sport, look at female gymnasts, they're some of the 'lightest' athletes on the planet and they do not look like delicate little flowers, they are stacked for their height.



Look at the legs on those sprinters, seem familiar?



Female gymnasts, those are big thighs when you compare to her actual height.

Even CrossFit athletes



The adaptations required dictate the look of the physique, I can guarantee that none of the above athletes, and the vast majority of athletes in that calibre (and Lelith would be an 'elite' athlete in terms of physical ability) are not culturing that aesthetic, the aesthetic is a by product of their sports needs.

If, Eldar physiology is similar to humans, it makes absolute perfect sense that Lelith would look like she does in the new model, that's not to say she doesn't look athletic in the old model either, but her being 'thicc' makes absolute sense, and whilst I'm not some person that really cares about whether a miniature is hot or not, if a woman looked like her in real life, she is absolutely hot, and physically capable.

Handmaiden wrote:

 mokoshkana wrote:
She is powerful now! She’s been murder knows how long? Over time she’d develop muscle. Get on board with it and stop body shaming her

Being ripped to the point of having an extremely defined six pack has nothing to do with power and everything to do with dieting, dehydration and anabolic steroids. MMA fighters are on steroids. Hope I'm not breaking any news here. It's not biologically possible for a human woman to get that big and ripped without drugs. Let alone an elf. This is because naturaly the dieting required to strip the fat, to that extent also depletes the muscles. So they end up looking ripped but skinny. As someone who understands how bodybuilding works the body type in this model makes no sense. Her boobs would have been depleted to nothing as she has the abs of someone who's single digit body fat. Nor would her butt and thighs be that thick.

Lelith Hesperax is meant to be quiet and poker faced by all accounts. This model looks like a raging berserker.
She's also meant to be naturally aspirated. No doping of any kind. Yet her model screams steroid abuse.

I don't think the designer bothered to read her backstory or be told of it. And that the 40k sculptors are so used to marines that the faces and bodies just end up like armourless marines.

I would like to introduce you to the USWNFT player Tobin "My arms make men cry" Heath. She looks like a reallife Avatar Khorra.



Most of the women in Professional football have 12 pack abs, legs like damn, and arms that make popeye, well, pop eyes. I'd love to watch you tell these women it's impossible to get stupid fit without drugs.

I am wondering tho, why do we even discuss the realism of it when males in the game aren't realistic either (maybe for the neanderthals?).

The previous iteration was better, but it still was kinda meh. The current one has the issue of horrible Studio painting which always makes female models look bad and the silly pointe toes on the foot, which GW loves to use as a visual shortcut for "agile". I don't like it, but it's the perfect fit for 40k where everyone gets hit with ugly beam on birth.

I prefer the old one.

Cronch wrote:
I am wondering tho, why do we even discuss the realism of it when males in the game aren't realistic either (maybe for the neanderthals?).

pssst:

You know the reason why realism always comes up whenever a female model comes out.

We all know the reason why realism always comes up.

You know why nobody complained that the new catachan colonel had a hand the size of his head.or why the supposedly 'unmodified normal human' orlocks all had gigantic barrel chests that the one model who had his shirt open revealed were, in fact, shredded pro wrestler bods.

You also know why this scaling, which is the heroic scaling GW has literally always used since forever, and has only gotten less pronounced as time goes on, only became a problem of realism when they came out with the FW Orlock upgrades that included parts to make female orlocks, who were similarly big and chonky to keep them compatible with the orlock weapon range.

the_scotsman wrote:

Cronch wrote:
I am wondering tho, why do we even discuss the realism of it when males in the game aren't realistic either (maybe for the neanderthals?).

pssst:

You know the reason why realism always comes up whenever a female model comes out.

We all know the reason why realism always comes up.

Pretty much. It's a blatant dogwhistle.

Are you telling me your arms don't come out of the sides of your head like terminators?

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

Cronch wrote:
I am wondering tho, why do we even discuss the realism of it when males in the game aren't realistic either (maybe for the neanderthals?).

pssst:

You know the reason why realism always comes up whenever a female model comes out.

We all know the reason why realism always comes up.

Pretty much. It's a blatant dogwhistle.

Sounds to me like you're seeing imaginary Boogie-men when people make valid criticisms.

But that image just helps his point?

No matter from what perspective when a female model is released it grabs a ton of attention from everywhere and is analized to the point of people makes "diagrams" to show how Celestine is fat.

When a male model is released at worst you get a "Damm thats a ugly head on that Uriel Ventris"

 Galas wrote:
But that image just helps his point?

No matter from what perspective when a female model is released it grabs a ton of attention from everywhere and is analized to the point of people makes "diagrams" to show how Celestine is fat.

When a male model is released at worst you get a "Damm thats a ugly head on that Uriel Ventris"

Female orlocks are too manly, gang doc is too fat, eschers are too fat, celestine is too fat, repentia are too manly, sisters heads are too ugly, legs on sisters exo-suit are too spindly that was a funny one, female van saar was too manly, ripper jackson is too manly, new lelith is too manly...it's funny how the 'controversies' are just..kinda..the one controversy, really.

And the counter-point is always the Raging Heroes models (except for the fem-marines, they curiously never get brought up)

If you try and bring up toxic representations of masculinity you usually get shouted down by the same people complaining about female representatives not being sexy enough. Weird eh?

What were we talking about again?

 vipoid wrote:
What were we talking about again?

I think it's something to do with new Lelith Hesperax's big feet

That said, the current finecast model looks pretty decent, but when look at from the top also appears to have huge flippers. I'm reserving final judgement till I can see the new version from something other than the one angle.

 vipoid wrote:
What were we talking about again?

How a plastic wardolly is insufficient wankbait, apparently.

They do something wrong with model hair though, and faces. I have a mostly metal army. And I don't know why, somehow the metal faces and hair look better. And it isn't even the lack of weird stuff, they just fit the models better. The plastic models hair look like wigs at best, and like plastic at worse. And I guess it can be made to look good, if you are a master painter, but majority of people are not master painters, and large chunk of people don't even finish painting their armies before they quit.

And some models are just down right ugly. I have no idea who thought it was a good idea to give a cannones the face of Nick Fury.