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I fething love this show. The MCU is the best thing to happen to entertainment.

So i guess its kinda safe to say the vision we have known before this show is dead and gone. and this vision is just a......vision of what wanda sees.
Also, im going to be petty AF.
Wanda in age of ultron is in her like, late 20s.27 i think.
No way, when she was that young(Like IDK, 8?)
did malcolm in the middle come out. Which her dad clearly had
Also, I knew exactly what episode that episode she was watching was from because I just finished a rewatch of the show lol

I was really enjoying the episode until the end. It really felt like Agatha was building toward a big revelation with all the questions of how did you do this, and then we're shown Wanda having her mental breakdown and using her powers to create the version of Westview we're seeing, but... we already knew Wanda was using her powers to change everything, and it was pretty obvious that it was out of grief, so that whole thing was just like... yeah, and?

I did really enjoy seeing other parts of her life. The bomb flashback was excellent, and the conversation with Vision while she was under house arrest was even better. They did an amazing job showing that first flicker of genuine affection between them. So well done. Learning she had powers before the stone was quite a shock, but now I'm worried they're gonna pull a 'see? We had mutants in the MCU all along. We swear.'

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
I was really enjoying the episode until the end. It really felt like Agatha was building toward a big revelation with all the questions of how did you do this, and then we're shown Wanda having her mental breakdown and using her powers to create the version of Westview we're seeing, but... we already knew Wanda was using her powers to change everything, and it was pretty obvious that it was out of grief, so that whole thing was just like... yeah, and?

I did really enjoy seeing other parts of her life. The bomb flashback was excellent, and the conversation with Vision while she was under house arrest was even better. They did an amazing job showing that first flicker of genuine affection between them. So well done. Learning she had powers before the stone was quite a shock, but now I'm worried they're gonna pull a 'see? We had mutants in the MCU along. We swear.'

One thing...

One man, one goal
One mission
One heart, one soul
Just one sore loser
One flash of light
Yeah, one god,

Yeah, I think the yellow light when she was (re)creating Vision is telling. I kind of think that it was her pulling a tiny bit of the Mindstone back together. So while his memory is screwed up, that's definitely the REAL Vision. Especially given that he has more self-awareness than the "characters" in the town, can actively work against Wanda, and can actually wake them out of their Wanda-control.

Now he just needs a suitable vessel to merge with to exist outside of the Hex.......

Yeah, that feels like the most plausible way that's going to go down.

I feel like the end result of this is going to be a Vision who has his personality back but none of the memories. Wanda will essentially have to start over, but CAN start over. This Vision will essentially be a different person.

I think you’re right, that’s probably what’s going to happen.

I doubt it will happen, cos Disney, but i would love it to end darker - Wanda tries to unite the two visions to make him whole again, and for some reason it fails (Sword head guy interfering, cos he wants ‘dead’ visions tech for himself maybe?) and in her grief/rage she doubles down on the bad guy/scarlet witch side of things, which sets her up to be that big bad in Dr Strange 2, or phase 4 as a whole

Why did no one reply to my theory? Oh, right, because the forums ate it and I got distracted and forgot to repost it... Anyways,

I think the Visions merging is Too plausible. Like it’s just an easy obvious solution. Granted people had pegged Agnus way back by episode 2, though we let ourselves be fooled as well when she was fooling Vision, but sure enough it was indeed her. Still, I’m betting Vision ends up dead still at the end of this, but Wanda will get some emotional closure with him and a chance to say good bye this time and start to deal with her grief and move on. She’ll have to be the one that chooses to end the Hex and let him go.

 AduroT wrote:
Why did no one reply to my theory? Oh, right, because the forums ate it and I got distracted and forgot to repost it... Anyways,

I think the Visions merging is Too plausible. Like it’s just an easy obvious solution. Granted people had pegged Agnus way back by episode 2, though we let ourselves be fooled as well when she was fooling Vision, but sure enough it was indeed her. Still, I’m betting Vision ends up dead still at the end of this, but Wanda will get some emotional closure with him and a chance to say good bye this time and start to deal with her grief and move on. She’ll have to be the one that chooses to end the Hex and let him go.

I think she will get her chance to say goodbye and get her closure for sure. I just don't think the vision will be fully gone from the MCU. I think the white vision now with some personality will be around to become his own person. And that means the kids won't have their dad either. Which..



I could be wrong. But there is too much good story telling opportunity in all that tragedy.

 Azreal13 wrote:

One man, one goal
One mission
One heart, one soul
Just one sore loser
One flash of light
Yeah, one god,

Spoiler:

Fried chicken?

The Mind Stone provides enough of a link between Wanda's powers and Vision's memories that they can bring him back. Will they? Should they? Not entirely certain.

There’s not just her initial exposure to it, either, but (arguably, due to time stone shenanigans), her destroying it before Thanos claimed it.

I do wonder just how permanently gone the stones can actually be. It’s my understanding they’re a fundamental part of the universe - so may only be dispersed, rather than outright destroyed?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
There’s not just her initial exposure to it, either, but (arguably, due to time stone shenanigans), her destroying it before Thanos claimed it.

I do wonder just how permanently gone the stones can actually be. It’s my understanding they’re a fundamental part of the universe - so may only be dispersed, rather than outright destroyed?

It depends on which story you want to believe.
The MCU origin story for them is that they're 'leftovers' from the previous universe (not unlike Galactus...); 'singularities' [black holes?] forged into the stones by the act of the current universe coming into existence. At least... according to the Collector.

The AU Ancient One seemed to believe that the Stones absence would cause reality to deviate from its path and become 'doomed,' but.. its unclear if she just meant that the future wouldn't happen the way it 'should' in her reality (she's at least seen enough of the future to know Strange exists, if not why he made his decision to give up the time stone). Or if she literally meant that somehow the absence of the stone would cause reality to fail in some fashion.

Of course, given the posited origin story, I'd say both of them are unreliable narrators for artifacts that existed before the universe even began and before time was time.
The old joke about 'how do you know about the parts you weren't there for?' covers a _lot_of ground with these things. Like 99.999999% of their existence.

Ancient One could simply be referring to the parts the Stones played in Thanos’ plan, the success of which lead to his ultimate failure and defeat.

Remove Loki’s sceptre after Avengers Assemble, and there’s no Vision or Wanda for one.

Certainly any type of time travel and grandfather paradoxes might occur.

In terms of their overall solution, one does wonder if the Ancient One knew all along? It’s been a while since I watched Dr Strange (that’s tomorrow’s viewing sorted!), so I can’t remember if she couldn’t see past her death, or just stuff involving her past her death? Certainly she knew Steven to be her successor - and it was his scrying of futures which lead to Thanos’ defeat, and his actions which ultimately started everyone off down that one road.

I assumed what she was talking about was that if Strange doesn't have the Time Stone, he can't bargain with Dormammu to save reality. If the Time Stone is removed before that point, the Dark Dimension would take over. Beyond that point I don't think its necessarily relevant.

 LunarSol wrote:
I assumed what she was talking about was that if Strange doesn't have the Time Stone, he can't bargain with Dormammu to save reality. If the Time Stone is removed before that point, the Dark Dimension would take over. Beyond that point I don't think its necessarily relevant.

True. And its an alternate reality so really it doesn't matter at all. [If one exists, they all do, so just bop off into the next one]

Voss wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
There’s not just her initial exposure to it, either, but (arguably, due to time stone shenanigans), her destroying it before Thanos claimed it.

I do wonder just how permanently gone the stones can actually be. It’s my understanding they’re a fundamental part of the universe - so may only be dispersed, rather than outright destroyed?

It depends on which story you want to believe.
The MCU origin story for them is that they're 'leftovers' from the previous universe (not unlike Galactus...); 'singularities' [black holes?] forged into the stones by the act of the current universe coming into existence. At least... according to the Collector.

The AU Ancient One seemed to believe that the Stones absence would cause reality to deviate from its path and become 'doomed,' but.. its unclear if she just meant that the future wouldn't happen the way it 'should' in her reality (she's at least seen enough of the future to know Strange exists, if not why he made his decision to give up the time stone). Or if she literally meant that somehow the absence of the stone would cause reality to fail in some fashion.

Of course, given the posited origin story, I'd say both of them are unreliable narrators for artifacts that existed before the universe even began and before time was time.
The old joke about 'how do you know about the parts you weren't there for?' covers a _lot_of ground with these things. Like 99.999999% of their existence.

The ancient one is talking about the role the time stone plays in stopping Dormamu. She never sees the threat that Thanos plays because all her looking forward to the future "ends here" looking at the snow fall over the city before she died. Her singular focus was on stopping Dormamu.


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The origins of the infinity stones in the comics (which could absolutely still be true in the MCU) is that they are constituent parts of a singular entity that is basically a counter part to or avatar of Eternity. There is actually a 7th white stone that has no real power but is the consciousness of that being. The big bang is him breaking himself down to forge reality.

So Everyone else is telling their version of that story without truly fully understanding it. And yeah, they cannot really be destroyed in the same way that mater and energy cannot be destroyed. Only changed states. The stones don't currently exist as stones but without the time stones existence there would be no time. So... you know... it's there in some capacity.

So there's an animated MODOK show coming soon from Stoopid Buddy Stoodios - not sure if it's MCU or not (and can't find anything about it outside of FB)


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beast_gts wrote:
So there's an animated MODOK show coming soon from Stoopid Buddy Stoodios - not sure if it's MCU or not (and can't find anything about it outside of FB)


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Definitely got Robot Chicken vibes watching that.

MODOK is the last death rattle of Marvel Television, Jeph Loeb's division.

It's not a Marvel Studios thing.

Finale consumed.

Won’t say owt, beyond confirm there is a mid credits sequence to wait for, and indeed a post credit sequence to really wait for.....

I've seen it too... I think the thing that's really surprised me about it was effort some of the misdirections went to:



Even despite all this, or perhaps even because of it, I really do think Wandavision, now that it's done, might really have been the best Marvel Studios product ever made and comfortably sits next to Infinity War and Winter Soldier.

Definitely had some dust in my eye at the end there...

Also

Well that was really great. When I get a day off I am going to probably rewatch the whole thing in a binge.

Wandavision spoilers without context, as foretold by the prophets of the MCU.


This series really, really did a phenomenal job of evolving.