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Definitely probably the overall weakest episode of Ms Marvel. I actually really enjoyed the historical perspective of events throughout the episode, it just didn't fit in with Kamala's story in a meaningful way. The end of this episode could have been tacked on to the end of the last and probably improved both.
Catching up on Ms Marvel (first two so far) Its definitely interesting, but its oddly stressful to watch. The over-protective-but-crappy parents and awkward teens are too real to be comfortable.
Was planning on binging more, but simply can't bring myself to do it without a break.
Amused by the amount of references going on in the background (and credits) though. Ep 2 end credits had a 'Trust a Bro' moving van (from Hawkeye) wander by and a lot of continuity stuff in AvengerCon. Though I do wonder when anyone on Earth saw Mantis to cosplay as her.
The main idea is that Scott Lang has seriously capitalised on his association with The Avengers, and has done a lot of interviews/has a podcast, so whilst there were no cameras at Avengers HQ when Thanos attacked, the details of that attack are widely known.
Plus there was a 5 year period between the snap and when they undid it all - Captain Marvel would have been around for some of that time.
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Pretty satisfying overall. Wee bit Marvel By Numbers, in that we get Hero vs Baddie but with the same powers!
I know some folk don’t like that trope, but for me it’s all about showing that it’s not their powers that make them Heroic, but their behaviour and actions with those powers.
Some really cool bits, and perhaps the odd bit of cringe here and there (DODC being Plot Incompetent when required), but not something to bother me personally.
I really enjoyed it, but don’t feel a particular rush to rewatch the whole thing. Maybe this weekend though, as I don’t think I’ve much else on.
And yes there is a post credits scene, but only the one before D+ goes into the translation credits.
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Pretty satisfying overall. Wee bit Marvel By Numbers, in that we get Hero vs Baddie but with the same powers!
I know some folk don’t like that trope, but for me it’s all about showing that it’s not their powers that make them Heroic, but their behaviour and actions with those powers.
Some really cool bits, and perhaps the odd bit of cringe here and there (DODC being Plot Incompetent when required), but not something to bother me personally.
I really enjoyed it, but don’t feel a particular rush to rewatch the whole thing. Maybe this weekend though, as I don’t think I’ve much else on.
And yes there is a post credits scene, but only the one before D+ goes into the translation credits.
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Surprised you didn't mention the little riff of a certain 90s theme tune when Bruno dropped the m-bomb at the end
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Ok, so, we reach the end of another too-short hamstrung-runtime finishes-episodes-after-the-second-act-break poorly-paced and rushed Disney+ series...
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... and this one stuck the landing!
This episode seemed the closest to the first episode of the series, given that we had a good emphasis on the family dynamics again (especially the father, who's great), a return to the sketchbook graphics, and more interactions between Kamala and her friends. I thought that it was weird when they ditched Zoe Zimmer altogether, in much the same way as they completely ditched the Bruno and Nakai storylines when the show took that ill-advised side-trip to Pakistan.
But no, there she was, right at the end, involved with the story. And Bruno and Nakai got payoff for their stories as well. And Kamran can shoot Tiberium crystals, apparently, so... ok!
I love their silly home alone stuff in the school. I really liked how Kamala's brother just appeared halfway through the briefing. Heaps of fun. Bruno should have a broken face though, as that one DC agent full on clocked him in the forehead or cheek with the butt of his sonic gun.
I absolutely love how Kamala decided on her hero name. That scene with the Dad on the roof was fantastic.
And... I went back 'cause it caught me off guard... but that was the 90's X-Men theme again. I really hope that Marvel Studios have decided that that theme will be the MCU 'mutant' theme going forward, because feth yes!
Bit of an odd post-credits, but I like that it was a seemingly weird switcheroo between her and Carol. Carol's complete confusion was a nice touch. And on the strength of Iman Vellani alone I am now looking forward to The Marvels. What a revelation she is.
[EDIT]: feth... that movie is over a year away...
Tons of fun, and would be the best D+ MCU show so far if not for that dreadful penultimate episode. Sits just behind Loki for me.
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I think my biggest complaint is the costume. Don’t get me wrong, it looks amazing. It’s just thruout the series she kept picking up pieces of red and blue clothing and I thought it was going to kind of organically come together at the end, but nope it’s just mom shows up with a fully tailored suit for the climax as these series tend to do.
Otherwise a pretty by the numbers but still quite enjoyable finale. Other than that fifth episode the whole thing was pretty good.
I enjoyed Ms Marvel. I like her character, I like the supporting cast, I like her rise to herodom. All good.
That being said, I think this is the weakest of the Disney + Marvel series so far. I know a lot of people assign that to Falcon Winter Soldier. (And I think that show really deserves to be binged to truly appreciate it). But I think FWS just does more with it's characters. I Like Ms Marvel but I cared more about what was happening to Bucky, Sam, the Dora, John Walker, and Karli.
Pumped to see her in The Marvel's when she meets her hero.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Half expecting Spidey to swing by during the final scenes. I know Jersey isn’t his turf life, but even so!
Not disappointed he didn’t though.
I am looking forward to some kind of Young Avengers type shenanigans in due course. We’ve got Hawkeye, Spidey, Ms Marvel and America Chavez all on the College Or Younger age range. And I can see DODC wanting to set up a “school for responsible heroing” type thing. Especially with the Sokovia Accords, from which I assume DODC derives it’s authority.
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Also big props to Ms Marvel for again having Characters Who Are Muslim, without really reducing any of them to Muslim Characters.
Even The Mosque scenes (all of them) show a community thing. The same sort of pulling together you might see in other media where it’s a Church, without focussing it on Islam or particularly lazy tropes - but still allows the specific faith (and some of the issues it’s followers can face) to be part of it.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Also big props to Ms Marvel for again having Characters Who Are Muslim, without really reducing any of them to Muslim Characters.
Even The Mosque scenes (all of them) show a community thing. The same sort of pulling together you might see in other media where it’s a Church, without focussing it on Islam or particularly lazy tropes - but still allows the specific faith (and some of the issues it’s followers can face) to be part of it.
They played the mosque like tv high school: Something stolen from a locker, a guide to the the cliques, a campaign for political popularity. There was a small bit on gender segregation - but it was played as 'talking at the back of the class'. It was all happily normal.
I’m bummed we won’t get to see her interact with Coulson. There was an ongoing bit in the comics with her writing fanfiction and Coulson was secretly the admin/mod for the website.
LunarSol wrote: Thoughts tomorrow but regarding the actual post credit scene.
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I assume her band is quantumly entangled with a counterpart that Carol found?
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I was disappointed Carol wasn’t holding the other bangle or some other piece of tech. It seems weird since her powers were infinity stone based while the new stuff is seemingly different.
Also I totally thought she’d shapeshifted into Carol at first. That’s how the comic begins so it would have been a cute ending for the series.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Inhumans fans are losing it over the finale. Between Madness’s Black Bolt and now Marvel’s mutation, they’re quite displeased.
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So I think I figured out why this one is on the bottom of my Disney+ list.
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Everything is resolved WAY too quickly. There is no actual threat or challenge that is the through line of the show. She meets the Clandestines and they are resolved in 2 episodes. She meets the Red Dagger and they are allies within 15 minutes. She is fighting with her mom and then by the end of next episode 3 generations of women are hugging each other with all their past miscommunications wrapped up. Yes, her story was more about her personal journey and discovering who she is and what she can do. Thats great. But usually that kind of journey of self discovery is mirrored and tied to another plot that follows along with them. And this show throws problem after problem at our hero that gets resolved almost instantly. There are like... 5 "threats" that get resolved in 6 episodes. It doesn't give me time to care or settle into the stakes. Even her high school bully is only a bully for a single scene.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Lance845 wrote: So I think I figured out why this one is on the bottom of my Disney+ list.
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Everything is resolved WAY too quickly. There is no actual threat or challenge that is the through line of the show. She meets the Clandestines and they are resolved in 2 episodes. She meets the Red Dagger and they are allies within 15 minutes. She is fighting with her mom and then by the end of next episode 3 generations of women are hugging each other with all their past miscommunications wrapped up. Yes, her story was more about her personal journey and discovering who she is and what she can do. Thats great. But usually that kind of journey of self discovery is mirrored and tied to another plot that follows along with them. And this show throws problem after problem at our hero that gets resolved almost instantly. There are like... 5 "threats" that get resolved in 6 episodes. It doesn't give me time to care or settle into the stakes. Even her high school bully is only a bully for a single scene.
I guess she's closer to her hero, Captain Marvel, than expected then. Since that's arguably the same problem that happens in CM's movie too, where she doesn't have any actual threat or challenge by any of the Kree and it's all about her "self-discovery" as a superhero, but really its just a set-up movie for why Nick Fury called for her on his pager at the end of Infinity War (that frankly could have been skipped altogether given how small her contribution to the story in Endgame was besides blowing up a ship).
DODC is easily the weakest part so far. Hopefully they get some time to be more than the goon squad, but on the whole this is easily shaping up to be one of the better D+ offerings in general.
So in the end, the DODC acting as little more than a goon squad lets the best parts of the show shine. The home alone ending, the community banding together, all of that actually works really well to the point where if you just tag this on to the end of the second episode, remarkably little needs to change to make a pretty great little movie.
What doesn't end up working for me is sadly the Clan Destine. They feel like a pretty solid plan for a season 2 arc that someone gets jammed in the middle of season 1 and just never quite gels with what makes the first and last episodes work so well. The show becomes about explaining her powers (and then dropping that explanation) rather than exploring them.
The final episode really, really lets you feel what the show has been missing since the early episodes. The cast really shines and all of them get at least one stand out moment where they get in that way that the MCU has always thrived in. The payoff for Kamala herself is fantastic. The suit looks great, her platform jumping captures the feel of the character's movement from the comics remarkably well, and the whole "embiggen" moment is just the right kind of cheese for the character. A fun and satisfying payoff for the series that unfortunately feels a bit bogged down trying to make 6 episodes out of what honestly feels like what should have been a great little movie instead.
It's the Multiverse now, a million possibilities and zero stakes.
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