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If they don't rip off the clappy guy's fight from Jujutsu Kaisen I'm going to be very disappointed. Really like the vibe on this trailer though. Kamala seems like exactly what's needed to tie it together.
Seems we're still going to get some variation of Quantum Bands in this. Curious where they're going with the villain. Flerken herd should be funny at least.
Reading the leaks the movie sounds all kinds of terrible (the singing... good God the singing...), and I don't understand how (or when) Carol messed up Hala... but I love Ms. Marvel as she's so much fun.
Kale wrote: from one bit I hope some one says " release the kittens!"
It would probably be “release the flerken!”.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
As one of the very few people in the world who actually liked the Captain Marvel movie I was already looking forward to this, and now I'm stoked. This looks really fun!
That does look fun. From Rambeau's appearance in WandaVision, I was worried about a total wangst-fest as she whined about Marvel abandoning her and her mom (or whatever her issue was supposed to be).
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I have to presume that once Carol has finished decimating Hala (for the second time, apparently), Rambeau will hand wave it with another "They'll never know what you sacrificed!" bit of bull-gak-ery.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: A convenient shield that protects against all legitimate criticism.
Pretty much it. I make sure to overexplain my criticisms of media in excruciating detail so as to avoid being instantly dismissed as a racist homophobic misogynistic bigot.
H.B.M.C. wrote: A convenient shield that protects against all legitimate criticism.
Pretty much it. I make sure to overexplain my criticisms of media in excruciating detail so as to avoid being instantly dismissed as a racist homophobic misogynistic bigot.
I remember this being the case for what happened to Ghostbusters 2016, and that didn't end up doing well after basically borderline saying the fandom were a tirade of isms and deliberately deleting comments to only highlight the ones with bad takes. It's unfortunate that so many people have been tribalized to reduce people who don't like what you like as an instant istaphobe or whatever meaningless ad hominem is being thrown nowadays. Diversity is great, except when it comes to having diversity of thought apparently.
creeping-deth87 wrote: As one of the very few people in the world who actually liked the Captain Marvel movie I was already looking forward to this, and now I'm stoked. This looks really fun!
I liked Captain Marvel a lot and I will say what y'all are afraid to say for risk of a ban.
Brie Larsen is an absolute smokeshow. I don't know what it is, but the combination of her eyes and the looks she can give, her voice, and certain other clearly displayed assets in that trailer are absolutely absurd. The gal that plays Monica is pretty high up on the conventionally attractive scale as well.
The only way we can ever solve anything is to look in the mirror and find no enemy
There are legit criticisms. There are also the various ists who are out to trash things regardless. Pretending either doesn't exist is a problem.
Ghost Buster 2016 is a perfect example. Bad movie (especially the 3rd act). Lots of legit criticisms to be made. But, pretending haters were not hating it when all we had was a single still image of the ghost busters logo and a cast announcment is just ignoring the facts of history.
Ms Marvel and Captain Marvel both had their fair share of the various ists doing their hate for iligitimate gak from the get go. Pretending that didn't happen or thinking pointing out that it is happening is just some kind of smoke screen is bs. I say this as the person who thinks Ms Marvel is the weakest D+ marvel offering with a unfocused narrative that resolved all of its threats too fast for it to have any narrative weight.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
H.B.M.C. wrote: A convenient shield that protects against all legitimate criticism.
Pretty much it. I make sure to overexplain my criticisms of media in excruciating detail so as to avoid being instantly dismissed as a racist homophobic misogynistic bigot.
I remember this being the case for what happened to Ghostbusters 2016, and that didn't end up doing well after basically borderline saying the fandom were a tirade of isms and deliberately deleting comments to only highlight the ones with bad takes. It's unfortunate that so many people have been tribalized to reduce people who don't like what you like as an instant istaphobe or whatever meaningless ad hominem is being thrown nowadays. Diversity is great, except when it comes to having diversity of thought apparently.
It warms my heart to see a term I came up with getting used in the wild...
Lance845 wrote:There are legit criticisms. There are also the various ists who are out to trash things regardless. Pretending either doesn't exist is a problem.
Ghost Buster 2016 is a perfect example. Bad movie (especially the 3rd act). Lots of legit criticisms to be made. But, pretending haters were not hating it when all we had was a single still image of the ghost busters logo and a cast announcment is just ignoring the facts of history.
Ms Marvel and Captain Marvel both had their fair share of the various ists doing their hate for iligitimate gak from the get go. Pretending that didn't happen or thinking pointing out that it is happening is just some kind of smoke screen is bs. I say this as the person who thinks Ms Marvel is the weakest D+ marvel offering with a unfocused narrative that resolved all of its threats too fast for it to have any narrative weight.
Nobody is ignoring the neckbeard incels who troll to troll. Nobody is ignoring legitimate criticisms. SOMEBODY is ignoring the absolute shilling done for substandard products based solely on whether certain boxes are checked. Ghostbusters 2016 is a perfect example of that as well. You just glossed over it...
I did a "skimmy" re-watch of Captain Marvel and I don't see how it is any worse than Iron Man, Thor, or Captain America: The First Avenger. I wouldn't put it over any of those (except maybe Thor), but it's definitely not significantly worse by any means.
The only way we can ever solve anything is to look in the mirror and find no enemy
trexmeyer wrote: I did a "skimmy" re-watch of Captain Marvel and I don't see how it is any worse than Iron Man, Thor, or Captain America: The First Avenger. I wouldn't put it over any of those (except maybe Thor), but it's definitely not significantly worse by any means.
I suppose it depends on what elements you are looking at. One thing is that it comes a decade+ after those so it could be seen as a bit worn thin in comparison. The characters in Captain Marvel, while ok, were not nearly as engaging to general audiences as the earlier origin films. I have no issues with Brie Larson but she isnt as charismatic as RDJ, Jeff Bridges, Chris Evans, or Hayley Atwell. Everyone loves Tom Hiddleston and there is nothing in CM close to him. Sam Jackson is the exception but he isn't just a Captain Marvel character nor was this his first MCU film. Overall I agree that on a flat surface they aren't radically better but I think they have a few things that make them more well loved in hindsight.
The others also had time to grow and breathe whereas Capt Marvel felt like it got shoved out quickly just to be able to throw her in the next Avengers film. If Marvel had gotten her introduced earlier and given audiences a bit more time to get to know her it would be remembered a bit differently, I imagine.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Nobody is ignoring the neckbeard incels who troll to troll. Nobody is ignoring legitimate criticisms. SOMEBODY is ignoring the absolute shilling done for substandard products based solely on whether certain boxes are checked. Ghostbusters 2016 is a perfect example of that as well. You just glossed over it...
Disagree.
When it's pointed out that the incels are out doing their thing and the response is "Oh look. Here comes the perfect defense against all criticism." I think it IS being ignored.
GB2016 isn't a substandard product based on boxes being checked. It's a completely run of the mill nothing movie that is produced the vast majority of the time. It's exactly as crap as the majority of the comedy movies produced in the last decade. And it's 3rd act is a cgi weightless let down with a big light in the sky like every action movie for the past decade as well. It's Suicide Squad (the Will Smith one). A legit criticism of the movie should be a legit criticism of the movie. Not some assumption of a agenda producing content. The product is paint by numbers. It's painted by the same numbers as the majority of the movies any of us have ever seen.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
trexmeyer wrote: I did a "skimmy" re-watch of Captain Marvel and I don't see how it is any worse than Iron Man, Thor, or Captain America: The First Avenger. I wouldn't put it over any of those (except maybe Thor), but it's definitely not significantly worse by any means.
She doesn't have much of an arc. Starts really powerful, ends even more powerful, doesn't have to struggle at anything, is completely invincible. It's why the other characters in the film were more interesting.
trexmeyer wrote: I did a "skimmy" re-watch of Captain Marvel and I don't see how it is any worse than Iron Man, Thor, or Captain America: The First Avenger. I wouldn't put it over any of those (except maybe Thor), but it's definitely not significantly worse by any means.
She doesn't have much of an arc. Starts really powerful, ends even more powerful, doesn't have to struggle at anything, is completely invincible. It's why the other characters in the film were more interesting.
At the beginning of the film she's been conditioned to see her power as a tool belonging to and controlled by someone else. She's repeatedly required to hold back and then humbled to reinforce the notion that her power is a separate thing and without it, she is weak. Her struggle is entirely about making her own choices, which is why its so important that in the end she doesn't fall for the "fair fight" conditioning when something is actually on the line. At the beginning of the film she's essentially powerless, but makes the Kree very powerful. Breaking that conditioning is what the movie is all about.
Ms Marvel and Captain Marvel both had their fair share of the various ists doing their hate for iligitimate gak from the get go. Pretending that didn't happen or thinking pointing out that it is happening is just some kind of smoke screen is bs. I say this as the person who thinks Ms Marvel is the weakest D+ marvel offering with a unfocused narrative that resolved all of its threats too fast for it to have any narrative weight.
I think that is taking it as an adult offering. Looking at it as Tween marvel and it fits that programming quite well.
GB2016 isn't a substandard product based on boxes being checked. It's a completely run of the mill nothing movie that is produced the vast majority of the time. It's exactly as crap as the majority of the comedy movies produced in the last decade. And it's 3rd act is a cgi weightless let down with a big light in the sky like every action movie for the past decade as well. It's Suicide Squad (the Will Smith one). A legit criticism of the movie should be a legit criticism of the movie. Not some assumption of a agenda producing content. The product is paint by numbers. It's painted by the same numbers as the majority of the movies any of us have ever seen.
Bt its instantly compared to its namesake. I think (and so does my daughter, so I am probably right) their mistake was having 4 people being the comedian. Look at the originally and they play is straight with one funnyman playing off the others. And example fo less is more.
And really we need to organise a social movement to scrap the 3rd act CGI fight scene. One of the reasons I liked moon-whatisname marvel series was they figured out how to skip the majority of the fights. A million different superpower punches does not drama make.
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Ms Marvel and Captain Marvel both had their fair share of the various ists doing their hate for iligitimate gak from the get go. Pretending that didn't happen or thinking pointing out that it is happening is just some kind of smoke screen is bs. I say this as the person who thinks Ms Marvel is the weakest D+ marvel offering with a unfocused narrative that resolved all of its threats too fast for it to have any narrative weight.
I think that is taking it as an adult offering. Looking at it as Tween marvel and it fits that programming quite well.
If we were only talking about the physical threats I would agree with you. But her bully in episode 1 is her friend in the next appearance. Her conflict with her mom is resolved with a 3 generational hug 1 episode later. She ruins her brothers wedding and he has her back immediately. Something, ANYTHING, needed to be a conflict that started in episode 1 or 2 and resolved in the final episode. But everything resolved almost immediately.
GB2016 isn't a substandard product based on boxes being checked. It's a completely run of the mill nothing movie that is produced the vast majority of the time. It's exactly as crap as the majority of the comedy movies produced in the last decade. And it's 3rd act is a cgi weightless let down with a big light in the sky like every action movie for the past decade as well. It's Suicide Squad (the Will Smith one). A legit criticism of the movie should be a legit criticism of the movie. Not some assumption of a agenda producing content. The product is paint by numbers. It's painted by the same numbers as the majority of the movies any of us have ever seen.
Bt its instantly compared to its namesake. I think (and so does my daughter, so I am probably right) their mistake was having 4 people being the comedian. Look at the originally and they play is straight with one funnyman playing off the others. And example fo less is more.
Yes. Agreed. Nobody was the deadpan emotionless scientist. Or the working class stiff. Or the sleaze. They were all the comedian and the sleaze and the scientist as needed for whatever room they were in at the time.
And really we need to organise a social movement to scrap the 3rd act CGI fight scene. One of the reasons I liked moon-whatisname marvel series was they figured out how to skip the majority of the fights. A million different superpower punches does not drama make.
It still ended with a big fight with a light in the sky though (Purple this time!). Moon Knight was great. But the ending was a little bit of a let down.
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Ghostbusters 2016, whilst far from perfect, is far from being an objectively bad film.
The cast, whilst their comedy is of course subjective, are all perfectly competent in their roles.
It doesn’t particularly monkey with the established lore. Specifically that while ghosts do exist, they can’t manifest on their own all that readily. Ghostbusters, it was the coming of Gozer. Ghostbusters 2, the coming of Vigo and the mood slime. 2016 it’s a nutter with technology. Afterlife it’s Gozer again.
The main difference is Ghosts being smashable, with the right technology, rather than simply being captured and contained.
Is it a great movie? No. Would I necessarily pick it over the other three? No. Would I still watch it as part of a Ghostbusters binge? Yes. Would I watch it on its own? Also yes.
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