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Also Earth is clearly totally cool with Asgardian alien refugees... were the Skrulls really not able to come up with a gimmick of impersonating park goers to assimilate?

That's got to be easier than orchestrating global chaos to cause wars between superpowers.

for that matter, if you want to go sinister... the make a wish foundation, or a free health clinic, and your terminally ill relative is replaced with a Skrull. 1 awkward generation of invalids, and then the Skrulls are in fact the miraculous survivor relatives who are championing massive advances in medical technology as they semi-skrull most of the humans, until the hybrids are all more or less the same, much improved race. Or... from a horrifyingly cash based perspective, find some gold diggers, kidnap them, inherit their wealth, donate it all to Skrull charities, and secure several private islands to house a few million refugees.

There are so many more practical ways to use the ability to perfectly mimic a person than global terrorism. Most involve petty to grand theft..... but really, with access to alien tech, all you need is to patent a microwave replacement and sell it and you're set. Wealth will insure security in many, many areas of the globe.

On one level I'm enjoying the show, and certain tropes that I expect to see in such a thing, but...

Garrick is just another angry thug that no-one should be really listening to. He just wants to kill things, because he's a piece of s***. He's got less dimensions than the Flag-smashers, and they were stupid.

It looks like the skrulls are ruling the world already. Why do they need a terrorist to get things done?

 Gitzbitah wrote:
Also Earth is clearly totally cool with Asgardian alien refugees... were the Skrulls really not able to come up with a gimmick of impersonating park goers to assimilate?

That's got to be easier than orchestrating global chaos to cause wars between superpowers.

for that matter, if you want to go sinister... the make a wish foundation, or a free health clinic, and your terminally ill relative is replaced with a Skrull. 1 awkward generation of invalids, and then the Skrulls are in fact the miraculous survivor relatives who are championing massive advances in medical technology as they semi-skrull most of the humans, until the hybrids are all more or less the same, much improved race. Or... from a horrifyingly cash based perspective, find some gold diggers, kidnap them, inherit their wealth, donate it all to Skrull charities, and secure several private islands to house a few million refugees.

There are so many more practical ways to use the ability to perfectly mimic a person than global terrorism. Most involve petty to grand theft..... but really, with access to alien tech, all you need is to patent a microwave replacement and sell it and you're set. Wealth will insure security in many, many areas of the globe.

1) The Asgaurdians both look like us and are borderline indestructible to regular human means of killing them (Come at them with a knife or a gun and I think most Asguardians would destroy you). It helps that they set up shop in the lands of people who historically worshipped them.

2) The Skrulls have been hiding as us. When that gets revealed people would freak the feth out. Can you imagine the conspiracy theories? Trump is/was a Skrull? Biden is/was a Skrull? Every election for the rest of all of our lives would go that way.

3) The Skrulls are not interested in being us and living our way. They implied it with the plant and they have said it a couple times. They want their own world. The Skrulls who are doing this rebellion are not talking about living with us. They are talking about wiping us out (or getting us to wipe ourselves out) and terraforming the planet. This isn't about living with humanity. It's about making New Skrullos.

Plus, Thor has, y’know, saved the world a few times. That buys a lot of credit even against the most swivel eyed.

Skrulls? Not so much.

Voss wrote:
'Displaced persons are the scum of the world' is getting real ugly.

Yeah, this is... a vile, vile message.

So, I finished She-Hulk. Very Meta.

I can see why so many folks hate it. Not a normal slice of Marvel pie by any stretch of the imagination. Some could even think it was taking pot-shots at their fandom.

Mister Fantastic with a sonic screwdriver?...

Fighting against Kree tech seems like a much worse plan than fighting against what Earth has scrapped together.

Secret Invasion is turning into the tragedy of Talos. The show is good. I like it. 6 episodes might be too short ...

Nick Fury needs to stop being a Dick to his one good friend.

Halfway through and I'm not sold on anyone's baggage, let alone the 'plot.'

This feels like it needed to be background throughout phases 3 & 4, and not just setting up the next 'twist' in a flashback five minutes before so we can vaguely sort of feel bad that someone might have a bond or something that we never saw. Fury's bonds in particular have all the strength of a used tissue in a rainstorm. He's just a petty little prick.

Just to be clear, Really?



As for the end... the first event isn't going to stick. Surprise dramatic reveal at the end of of episode 5. The second is misdirection. They're being too obviously cagey, again.

To the second point, part of the the tech the skrulls use, is, if you use it too long, you start to act more like who you are impersonating.
Also, i have to ask, what do Gavik think is gonna happen when wipes out humanity.
PArt of the reason they need a new home is the kree are hunting them.
IF they take out earth, Kree and all the rest of the galaxy will be livid, they just tok out the race that saved the galaxy.

Did episode 3 improve?

I checked out after two dull episodes of thoroughly unlikeable characters and yet another capable and highly-competent hero in a Disney property turned into a grumpy old man past his prime.

 Lance845 wrote:
Secret Invasion is turning into the tragedy of Talos. The show is good. I like it. 6 episodes might be too short ...

Nick Fury needs to stop being a Dick to his one good friend.

I don't get why he's like that, to be honest, but to me the show is pretty devoid of things to take an interest in. At least Fury being a dick is funny to watch.

I don’t think the shows Bad so far, but it’s also not terribly Interesting.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Did episode 3 improve?

I checked out after two dull episodes of thoroughly unlikeable characters and yet another capable and highly-competent hero in a Disney property turned into a grumpy old man past his prime.

Nah. They decided to escalate both problems instead.

But someone went to a classy bank to get a single handgun out of a safe deposit box and walked through a train station with their 'Spy' hat on like it was a Jason Bourne movie, so clearly they're doing their 'research'

I think pretty much every Disney + show with the exceptions of Wanda Vision and Loki are better binged back to back then weekly episodes.

Even now, going back and rewatching episodes 1-3 of Secret Invasion together the show manages to keep some better narrative flow without the long breaks. I am borderline ready to stop watching until it's all out.

I wait for them all to be released and binge. I find it a better experience.

This is how every episode in the series is gonna end, isn’t it?

Am I the only one one feeling as if nothing happens to advance the story every episode? Like I feel like we are right where we stated still

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Am I the only one one feeling as if nothing happens to advance the story every episode? Like I feel like we are right where we stated still

I kind of feel that way. It's less that NOTHING is happening and more that it's happening at such a glacial pace that the 6 episode run doesn't seem nearly enough.



Great...

So 2 more episodes for Fury to get his gak together and come up with a plan of attack against this global threat and then execute it in a way that .... kind of has to work? Right?

 Lance845 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Am I the only one one feeling as if nothing happens to advance the story every episode? Like I feel like we are right where we stated still

I kind of feel that way. It's less that NOTHING is happening and more that it's happening at such a glacial pace that the 6 episode run doesn't seem nearly enough.

Spoiler:

Episode 1 establish there is a skrull spy game going on.
2 establish Graviks take over of the skrull leadership.
3 Reveal G'iah's loyalty.
4 Fury strikes back and suffers some losses from the team he never really started building.

Great...

So 2 more episodes for Fury to get his gak together and come up with a plan of attack against this global threat and then execute it in a way that .... kind of has to work? Right?

Nothing is not improved by giving something more time to do nothing.

 LunarSol wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Am I the only one one feeling as if nothing happens to advance the story every episode? Like I feel like we are right where we stated still

I kind of feel that way. It's less that NOTHING is happening and more that it's happening at such a glacial pace that the 6 episode run doesn't seem nearly enough.

Spoiler:

Episode 1 establish there is a skrull spy game going on.
2 establish Graviks take over of the skrull leadership.
3 Reveal G'iah's loyalty.
4 Fury strikes back and suffers some losses from the team he never really started building.

Great...

So 2 more episodes for Fury to get his gak together and come up with a plan of attack against this global threat and then execute it in a way that .... kind of has to work? Right?

Nothing is not improved by giving something more time to do nothing.

I don't mind a slow burn. I feel like this kind of pace would work with the netflix 13 episode format. we get 4 episodes of build up and then a twist. 4 episodes of the second act and then a twist again. 4 episodes of the 3rd act that ends on a cliff hanger and a finale to wrap it all up.

If this was written and designed in the Netflix Marvel Show format this next episode would be about Fury making his plan to go on the offensive and 3 more episodes of the good guys getting some gak done before the rug got pulled out from under them.


It's not though. And with only 2 episodes left this thing is going to have to rush in a way that won't be satisfactory.

Huh. I forgot about the episode this week.
Which I guess says everything that needs to be said.

I guess I'll catch up eventually at some point.


I wonder if Jackson ever thinks about his role in the Star Wars prequels, and how he demanded he go out like a bad***, not a chump. Now when I think of him, I think of him as an old man, with Fury's little pop gun, raising and lowering it over and over again without taking a shot.

Oh there was shooting in this last one…

 AduroT wrote:
Oh there was shooting in this last one…

I'd assume. But that image of Fury is what's burned into my brain through repetition.

I really wouldn't mind it, except it really doesn't feel at all like an invasion. My expectations were much higher for, you know, something that actually feels like a global conspiracy or a war. This is extremely small scale, and feels more like a well equipped gang fighting and I think would have benefited from a different name. It pretty closely matches the level of conflict you see in the Netflix marvel, street level heroes series.
The problem is they're trying to play up these worldwide, global stakes, and they just are not there. Even calling it Fury would have worked better.

 Gitzbitah wrote:
I really wouldn't mind it, except it really doesn't feel at all like an invasion. My expectations were much higher for, you know, something that actually feels like a global conspiracy or a war. This is extremely small scale, and feels more like a well equipped gang fighting and I think would have benefited from a different name. It pretty closely matches the level of conflict you see in the Netflix marvel, street level heroes series.
The problem is they're trying to play up these worldwide, global stakes, and they just are not there. Even calling it Fury would have worked better.

Comes off the same way with how Age of Ultron was titled tbh, where the idea of "Age" would be considered longer than the 1-2 weeks Ultron was active and messing around with the Avengers.

"Long Weekend of Ultron" doesn't have the same ring to it.

I still haven't gone back to this. I just find the central premise - Fury didn't find a world for the Skrulls in 30 years, so they're going to take over Earth - to be completely unrealistic.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Long Weekend of Ultron" doesn't have the same ring to it.

I still haven't gone back to this. I just find the central premise - Fury didn't find a world for the Skrulls in 30 years, so they're going to take over Earth - to be completely unrealistic.

They kind of uncut it as well by suggesting they were the comic book donkey-caves all along. Which seemed likely, but... I dunno. They're both guilty and innocent, ridiculously powerful and helpless, all at the same time.
The premise that they're in control of the UK, India and the US media but are still poor, disgruntled refugees is a bit mind-numbing. AND defacto in charge of international espionage for 30 years. (So... Hydra, by the by...)
Once in charge, the next person in charge will also always be a Skrull.

I also really want to know how the writers think major heads of state can just wander around Russia, and vanish for hours or even days at a time, even without a major international crisis happening.
(yadda yadda shapeshifters, but also yadda yadda 'their disguises are better if they stay shifted' or whatever that was.)

Voss wrote:
They're both guilty and innocent, ridiculously powerful and helpless, all at the same time.

So Marvel is fence-sitting again, just like they did with the Flagsmashers in Mephisto & The Winter Mephisto.

Sounds about right.

But at least with F&TWS they had the excuse of their show's central plotline being torn to gak because it was all about a pandemic and suddenly that had to be written out/edited around because they didn't want to release a show about a pandemic during a pendemic.

This has no excuse.