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 frankelee wrote:
Another fantastic model. I'm not surprised she just looks like a wood elf, those half-centaur Kurnothi models simply do not work. And GW tend to not double down on a bad design.

This isn't a personal shot at anyone, but I just love how it's a given part of our sub-culture that a rock or other feature to stand on is just a gak move by the designer. That's definitely one thing that if nobody ever told me to notice, I'd never have thought twice about.

I hate it when people present opinion as fact. A lot of people love the Kurnothi design. As for me I love both the underworlds warband and this hero.
I hope they get expanded into a full range one day.

As for this game, the minis are all looking absolutely terrific.

With 3 more villains and 6 more heroes to show it looks like we won't see the game until at least mid April. Waiting is going to be difficult.

This is the first model that has me really interested! (witch hunters and undead aren't my thing, but I am stoked that so many other people are into it - I just hope its priced to move better than BSF)

Really cool model but, like others, I see GWs use of tactical rocks, etc., as tiresome.

Tactical rock aside, this is a really pretty model that initially made me raise an eyebrow as it wasn't completely over the top. The whole sculpt is really nice.

Also, the artists they're using for the releases thus far are straying from the 'eavy metal style, which is only a good thing. The way the eyes have been painted add a great amount of direction to the mini.

 Geifer wrote:

I'm starting to see a pattern here. GW's really going for the antisocial murderhobo mob with the heroes, aren't they?

some people complained about lack of grimdark in AoS, so they're bringing back the WHRP school of personality design

Model looks really neat, nothing much to complain about.

Chikout wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
Another fantastic model. I'm not surprised she just looks like a wood elf, those half-centaur Kurnothi models simply do not work. And GW tend to not double down on a bad design.

This isn't a personal shot at anyone, but I just love how it's a given part of our sub-culture that a rock or other feature to stand on is just a gak move by the designer. That's definitely one thing that if nobody ever told me to notice, I'd never have thought twice about.

I hate it when people present opinion as fact. A lot of people love the Kurnothi design. As for me I love both the underworlds warband and this hero.
I hope they get expanded into a full range one day.

As for this game, the minis are all looking absolutely terrific.

With 3 more villains and 6 more heroes to show it looks like we won't see the game until at least mid April. Waiting is going to be difficult.

Well to each their own. The Kurnothi then are like having a big Duck Dynasty beard, not for me, but some people around where I live think they're pretty rad.

Given how hyped people are for this game, I kind of wish they'd maybe show off some tiles, or tokens, or player cards along with the models. It's too much hype and too little to go on for three months.

I'll still defend this tactical rock. It's a part of a city that's ruled by the undead, so obviously there will be plenty of ruins to jump off of. It's something other than just a random rock and it givens an idea of what the terrain is like in the city, since there's a decent chance we won't get terrain

However, I won't defend rocks on other models, namely every single aeldari character (and harlequin) posed on eldar ruins, or the stupid rock from the new soulblight lord. Oh, and although not technically a tactical rock, the "new" grey knight character who decided to rest his hammer on top of a random stupid rock

Female with mask, and okay pose, yeah it's a good GW model.

Muh tactical rock.

I'm getting a sort of dirty dozen/ suicide squad vibe to the heroes. Criminals, zealots, scum kicked out of their groups, teamed up to purge a city of the dead, a task they are not expected to survive

 Geifer wrote:
Happy people probably respect the sovereign right of Shyish nobility to rule as they see fit in their own domain.

Not so much followers of other gods who seek to depose them for the greater glory of said gods. No problem there. But they got to be super special outcasts because they're, like, super fanatics what are super badass unlike all those lame standard fanatics with their standard baddassery.

Yeah, I'm convinced Voss has the only right answer to this. I'm getting old.

The vampires seem to have been invited to rule to protect them from Chaos etc and then it went ...well badly for the inhabitants. In a similar vein, there is a quite a good novella where the Bonereapers have a vassel City of Sigmar where once you come of age - they take your arm - just one arm and its all very orgnaised but yeah....dark

It does seem to be a theme that as Shyish descends into Nagash's black hole of ultimate death its all getting worse for the people of the realm.

I was kinda hoping that we would have a undead on the "good" guys side - like there is a Choas warrior in the Silver Tower

She looks good. Interesting to see another iteration of the Kurnothi design style, and while I've got nothing against the centaur take, it wouldn't really fit the 'old world' aesthetic they seem to be going with.

I don't get the hate for the rock, though. Yeah, you can overuse or have just plain poorly executed tactical rocks, but you can also terribly over use nmm, edge highlights, or any other modeling/painting technique. That doesn't make them bad in general. She's a hero in an adventuring party, not an ork boy, so I don't see the harm. Do people not add some bling to their generals' bases in whfb to help them stand out (or physically fit inside a ranked unit) or consider how "immersion breaking" it is that their guys travel around on perfectly flat disks of cracked mud/chunks of stone/starship flooring that they obviously had to have specially delivered to the grassy field they're fighting over?

I don't think they're necessarily going for an Old World aesthetic, since you'd think they'd have used a fyreslayer, instead of a steampunk dwarf. However, so far, I think fans of Fantasy and AOS should be happy with the models so far. Heck, if people don't like the antlers, paint them golden. She has a gem on her head, so you can pretend it's just a fancy crown or something

 Trimarius wrote:
She looks good. Interesting to see another iteration of the Kurnothi design style, and while I've got nothing against the centaur take, it wouldn't really fit the 'old world' aesthetic they seem to be going with.

I don't get the hate for the rock, though. Yeah, you can overuse or have just plain poorly executed tactical rocks, but you can also terribly over use nmm, edge highlights, or any other modeling/painting technique. That doesn't make them bad in general. She's a hero in an adventuring party, not an ork boy, so I don't see the harm. Do people not add some bling to their generals' bases in whfb to help them stand out (or physically fit inside a ranked unit) or consider how "immersion breaking" it is that their guys travel around on perfectly flat disks of cracked mud/chunks of stone/starship flooring that they obviously had to have specially delivered to the grassy field they're fighting over?

People need something to bag on GW over. Some one pointed it out and a bunch of people who never cared before suddenly HATE THE ROCK!!! But most of them don't really care..its just the newest gw thing to complain about. And more on topic..shes amazo looking!! so far the heroes are super impressive to me . Not AOS balls o the wall bonkers but ...mostly realsitic heroes I can see fighting the villain. Like a D&D Group

 Trimarius wrote:
I don't get the hate for the rock, though. Yeah, you can overuse or have just plain poorly executed tactical rocks

Overuse is exactly my problem with them. Every single Witch Elf has this same pose, leaping, one leg high up. The new Lelith: ditto. The Howling Banshees are much the same. The sole conveniently placed rock looks out of place, the pose doesn't look natural, nor convenient for an archer, it's not original, it's not interesting, it's just an overused lazy design for "dynamic Elven figure". The new Hedonites have an overuse of rocks/ruins around them too, but at least they have different poses than "leaping", though it'll take some effort to remove all the rubble. Fixing this one will be easier, but that doesn't mean it should have been necessary to begin with.

I like her - my only worry is she is going to break off from the rock/base

 Mr Morden wrote:
I like her - my only worry is she is going to break off from the rock/base

I suspect that the foot has a piece of the rock/statuary attached to the bottom of it as a plug.

Are the heroes going to mirror blackstone fortress heroes?

Main human character ☑
Elf ranger ☑
Kroot
Halfling(s)
Hulking robot type
Navigator
Mad priest
Flamer girl

If so I can see a big ogre/Orruk type in the video and a kharadron ticking two more off the list

Great miniature, looking forward to painting all of these.

Bubbatron wrote:
Are the heroes going to mirror blackstone fortress heroes?

Maybe they're going to Sigmarify the Vermintide characters? We've got the Witch Hunter and the Wood Elf.

Y'all reckon there's any chance at all one of the heroes is either a grot or an ork? The lacking of that option was one of the reasons I never got into BSF and in 40k they could've made one of the characters a blood axe mercenary and it wouldn't've been too odd..

I don't know the AoS lore at all, is there any sort of leeway where you could add one of those races in as a playable character lore wise that has been explained/explored?

This game looks more up my alley aesthetics wise than BSF and all the characters shown look great but I can't help root for some boyz in green to be part of it.

PiñaColada wrote:
Y'all reckon there's any chance at all one of the heroes is either a grot or an ork? The lacking of that option was one of the reasons I never got into BSF and in 40k they could've made one of the characters a blood axe mercenary and it wouldn't've been too odd..

I don't know the AoS lore at all, is there any sort of leeway where you could add one of those races in as a playable character lore wise that has been explained/explored?

This game looks more up my alley aesthetics wise than BSF and all the characters shown look great but I can't help root for some boyz in green to be part of it.

In silver tower, Orcs and Goblin model from AoS can be used as heroes.

In BSF, there're Flash Gitz as companion to one of the explorer, but it wouldn't be too hard to houserule him as regular explorer.

PiñaColada wrote:
Y'all reckon there's any chance at all one of the heroes is either a grot or an ork? The lacking of that option was one of the reasons I never got into BSF and in 40k they could've made one of the characters a blood axe mercenary and it wouldn't've been too odd..

I don't know the AoS lore at all, is there any sort of leeway where you could add one of those races in as a playable character lore wise that has been explained/explored?

This game looks more up my alley aesthetics wise than BSF and all the characters shown look great but I can't help root for some boyz in green to be part of it.

Technically, there was an ork character option inf BSF. Not a unique model, (and only was a retinue character), but a flashgitz character was given rules in the white dwarf. Given that there's an ogor character and that greenskins were once part of Sigmar's alliance, I feel like greenskins definitely deserve a character in an expansion. If a Chaos barbarian was a playable character in Silver Tower, why not orruks? It also makes a lot more sense than a "good" undead guy

There could theoretically be either a grot or an orruk, both could be shoehorned in with some lore (or even as mercs, it happens for orruks), but I doubt GW will...

If a Chaos barbarian was a playable character in Silver Tower, why not orruks? It also makes a lot more sense than a "good" undead guy

I would be happy with either / both - but why would a "good" undead character be so strange.

 Geifer wrote:

I'm starting to see a pattern here. GW's really going for the antisocial murderhobo mob with the heroes, aren't they?

They know their target audience

Chikout wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
Another fantastic model. I'm not surprised she just looks like a wood elf, those half-centaur Kurnothi models simply do not work. And GW tend to not double down on a bad design.

This isn't a personal shot at anyone, but I just love how it's a given part of our sub-culture that a rock or other feature to stand on is just a gak move by the designer. That's definitely one thing that if nobody ever told me to notice, I'd never have thought twice about.

I hate it when people present opinion as fact. A lot of people love the Kurnothi design. As for me I love both the underworlds warband and this hero.
I hope they get expanded into a full range one day.

As for this game, the minis are all looking absolutely terrific.

With 3 more villains and 6 more heroes to show it looks like we won't see the game until at least mid April. Waiting is going to be difficult.

While I think the time of mid April is probably what I would have guessed.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they ramped up the reveals at some point, a couple together etc, then maybe something else in one of the slots. The board was mentioned etc..

People talking as if adventurers of this sort would be anything resembling sane and socially acceptable. Of course they are all nutcases, that is the only type of person who would survive in this job.

I reckon it’ll be a pre-order sooner than mid April. That’s because I don’t see them teasing everything first.

Rather I think we’re getting some appetite whetting before a Big Reveal. After all, we don’t really want to see the whole thing as Old Hat. Rather a “and here’s everything else isn’t it gorgeous look at how packed the box is yes that’d be £xxx thankyouplease”

Yeah. If everything is shown it would sort of lessen it.

We are back to full releases in March. So could easily be one of the 4 weekends there..