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Looks good. I'm interested.
However, being wary of GW. Is this one of those releases they hype up then only make half of the amount required. So it sells out online in under 3 mins, never to return again? With helpful advice from GW customer service telling you to try your luck with your local store?

I love the little 'story' touches of the zombies. Very nicely updated sculpts.

Definitely getting this! Even if just to paint the models and add them to my Death army.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Looks good. I'm interested.
However, being wary of GW. Is this one of those releases they hype up then only make half of the amount required. So it sells out online in under 3 mins, never to return again? With helpful advice from GW customer service telling you to try your luck with your local store?

It’s not limited.
It’ll be constantly available.
Barring there being a mass of sales at the start, but it’s only going to go temporary out of stock..

Core box isn’t limited. But the inevitable expansions, based on BSF, will be.

None have been “release day and no further” barring a couple of card packs. But if you’re going all in, might as well order the expansions when they first go up.

Bit hit and miss for me. Seems like they threw at us the heavy artillery first, so I must admit that I'm a bit dissapointed by the rest. Far from bad (bar the zombies and bats, which are miss imo) but most of them are not as insteresting as the first two models revealed were.

Are these Undead-Cossacks Orcs??

That could make for an epic army

 streetsamurai wrote:
Bit hit and miss for me. Seems like they threw at us the heavy artillery first, so I must admit that I'm a bit dissapointed by the rest. Far from bad (bar the zombies and bats, which are miss imo) but most of them are not as insteresting as the first two models revealed were.

Are these Undead-Cossacks Orcs??

Ogres, apparently. Its hard to see from the individual promo shots (and how green and relatively skinny they are), but the two guards and the ultimate vampire-boss are all ogres.
Its most noticeable in the shot with the boards and cards, they're significantly bigger than the other models- standing about the height of the halberd spike of the skeleton lieutenant.
This shot (the ogres are all along the top, bar the boss who's on the board next to the dwarf hero):

Why do you think the final boss is an ogre? I didn't read anything pointing to this

 streetsamurai wrote:
Why do you think the final boss is an ogre? I didn't read anything pointing to this

They said so on the stream.

Aight

a bit weird that they don't mention it anywhere so far in the background of Radukar. Even more weird is that he seems to be smaller than the other two ogors. But that might just be a question of perspective

Yeah, that. He's also just big, though various pictures don't display that well- there's base size shenanigans and visual squishes going on to make him fit in some of the group shots (especially the 'box contents' shot). But he's actually taller than the tip of the dwarf's harpoon gun, and that's hoisted fairly high.

I'm bothered by how svelte the Ogre hero is.

Have they said anything about the Varghulf in the stream?. I'd assume that it's Radukar that transform into one, but that's just a hunch

I think it’s a beastie unto itself.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Have they said anything about the Varghulf in the stream?. I'd assume that it's Radukar that transform into one, but that's just a hunch

They called it something else. A Vargskeir? Something like that (british accent aiming for german made it incomprehensible to me). And no, its just a monster, a vampire who's lost sapience and just hunts through the streets.

They start talking about it at this timestamp:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/921546313?t=1h26m14s

Voss wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Have they said anything about the Varghulf in the stream?. I'd assume that it's Radukar that transform into one, but that's just a hunch

They called it something else. A Vargstreib? Something like that (british accent aiming for german made it incomprehensible to me). And no, its just a monster

Of course every model in this box will get its own bespoke warscroll, heaven forbid a zombie with a gravestone on its back could just be a zombie.

Maybe I'm micro-analysing too much, but he is placed with the boss vilain in the pic on Warhammer Community, and he's the only Boss that doesn't have a bio on the Curse City website. Guess we will see in a few weeks


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Voss wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Have they said anything about the Varghulf in the stream?. I'd assume that it's Radukar that transform into one, but that's just a hunch

They called it something else. A Vargskeir? Something like that (british accent aiming for german made it incomprehensible to me). And no, its just a monster, a vampire who's lost sapience and just hunts through the streets.

They start talking about it at this timestamp:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/921546313?t=1h26m14s

yep, doesnt seems like it's Radukar

I wonder if these villains will get warcry rules, similar to how the BSF heretics got kill team rules. I think there's enough variety there to make a pretty interesting warband.

Edit: between these bats and the ones from the grymwatch kit I hope they do a bat swarm box that's just a bunch of bats cause they are such cool sculpts. Get rid of those old resin/metal fell bats and stuff.

Some screencaps from the video for scale. The Vargskyr is at least twice the height of a human.

Schmapdi wrote:
I'm bothered by how svelte the Ogre hero is.

I like it, never been a fan of GW's chubby ogres. Harks back to the Mordheim one - best GW ogre ever - who was also on the slimmer side.

I suspect the boss is actually a half Ogor.

Do half ogor exist in the lore??. While half races are very common in a lot of setting, doesn't recall any in Warhammer

They called him out as an Ogre Vampire.

The Vyrkos Bloodborn(bestial looking ones that are more human sized) are "those who have not yet learned how to make themselves appear mortal" per the preview show today. So he could totally look that way because that's how he wants to appear. The concept of a 'fleshmask' for a vampire is not really unheard of in fantasy stuff.

I think radukar is a nice model, but he seems a bit bland for a last boss. Would have like something a little bit more creepy

 Kanluwen wrote:
They called him out as an Ogre Vampire.

The Vyrkos Bloodborn(bestial looking ones that are more human sized) are "those who have not yet learned how to make themselves appear mortal" per the preview show today. So he could totally look that way because that's how he wants to appear. The concept of a 'fleshmask' for a vampire is not really unheard of in fantasy stuff.

Well this is actually from old lore but in essence all vampires need fresh, warm blood to survive and young vampires are basically addicted to it and can't really control themselfs. They even grow bestial features if they really go for it. In worse case they may turn completely into a beast.

But older the vampires gets, the less blood he needs and craves. Becoming more of an selective predator that hides his true nature under false civility (and illusions).


But I am more interested in fact that we got an ogre/ogor vampire. Actually kinda weird that we see non-human vampire as lore wise "blood kiss" could be given to any humanoid.

 streetsamurai wrote:
I think radukar is a nice model, but he seems a bit bland for a last boss. Would have like something a little bit more creepy

I dunno. Vampire ogor is a pretty rad concept. And a lot more unique than Blackstone Fortress' Chaos Lord with Thunder Hammer. And I'm still holding out hope for a future expansion where he just werewolfs out and turns into a hulking monster. Once again, that'd be more unique than the Chaos Lord just randomly coming back to life two or three times

Unrelated, but I like that the Freeguild/mortals are using the Warhammer fantasy version of Sigmar's comet, compared to AOS' jagged lightning bolt comet trail. Either humans tend to use this one (the excelsior warpriest didn't though), or they're trying to make sure they have some matching cues with the existing (older) Cities of Sigmar humans.

As a main ogre player I'm always glad to see GW not abandon ogres to be a "old world leftover race". Playable ogres, Vampire Ogres, Zombie Ogres, I love all ogres equally even if some look more ogroids than others.


I would love for a werewolf-ogre, specially if I can use them to remplace yetis in AoS.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Maybe I'm micro-analysing too much, but he is placed with the boss vilain in the pic on Warhammer Community, and he's the only Boss that doesn't have a bio on the Curse City website. Guess we will see in a few weeks


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Voss wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Have they said anything about the Varghulf in the stream?. I'd assume that it's Radukar that transform into one, but that's just a hunch

They called it something else. A Vargskeir? Something like that (british accent aiming for german made it incomprehensible to me). And no, its just a monster, a vampire who's lost sapience and just hunts through the streets.

They start talking about it at this timestamp:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/921546313?t=1h26m14s

yep, doesnt seems like it's Radukar

I didn’t think he was the boss. But it was one of the smaller feral women ones as they had a page on Cursed City site. Which could make sense, that he’s just a huge baddie, with those three acrobats, one of which is the boss..?


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 Kanluwen wrote:
They called him out as an Ogre Vampire.

The Vyrkos Bloodborn(bestial looking ones that are more human sized) are "those who have not yet learned how to make themselves appear mortal" per the preview show today. So he could totally look that way because that's how he wants to appear. The concept of a 'fleshmask' for a vampire is not really unheard of in fantasy stuff.

And he is quite big.
On the board shot I’d say he stands pretty tall there.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Do half ogor exist in the lore??. While half races are very common in a lot of setting, doesn't recall any in Warhammer

Way back in third edition there were half-orcs. And there was a half-eldar Space Marine Librarian in 40k during Rogue Trader.
But they were all summarily tossed in the warp and written out of the background.

 Thargrim wrote:
I wonder if these villains will get warcry rules, similar to how the BSF heretics got kill team rules. I think there's enough variety there to make a pretty interesting warband.

Edit: between these bats and the ones from the grymwatch kit I hope they do a bat swarm box that's just a bunch of bats cause they are such cool sculpts. Get rid of those old resin/metal fell bats and stuff.

I would love to see the villains as a Warcry band. All kinds of cool stuff in there.


Honestly between this new box and the Grymwatch box I think I'm going to have a new Mordheim undead band.

Ooo, didn't think about Warcry stats. That would be sweet. Maybe in a White Dwarf.