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 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

PiñaColada wrote:
Yeah, the one thing I was surprised, and a little disappointed by was that: (minor spoiler for that GMG playthrough I guess)

Spoiler:

Gorslav and the Watch Captain Halgrim and one of the Vamp triplets completely randomly and unceremoniously show up in the very first mission of the game. Then they obviously get pulverised like a bunch of chumps too and apparently can just come back like it's no big deal. I really thought that killing someone like Gorslav would require a special mission where you have to kill wave after wave after wave of zombies and then finally reaching his sanctum and then you get to kill him. Not him just randomly dropping by on a mission that has nothing to do with him. Obviously the mission I described might very well be how you end up killing him, but already having defeated him like 4 times before that removes a lot of the fun and mystique from it IMO.

I guess I had hoped that the first couple of missions would be more traditional level 1 RPG stuff, so just killing a bunch of rats and bats and maybe some skellies or zombies here and there.

Spoiler:

I was reminded of how differently this was handled in for example FFG's rather excellent Imperial Assault, where you encounter Darth Vader at the end of the very first mission. At which moment, you are meant to run. Get the heck out of there. Because you are quite simply not going to be able to fight him yet. In some ways more similar to Quest, Frostgrave's Lich Lord campaign has the actual Lich Lord (end boss in the final mission) as a potential random encounter. Each time you get a random encounter (1-2 times per game normally; on a D20 roll of 16+; 6 rolls per game usually), there is a literal 1/100 chance he'll show up if I recall correctly (I think it's a 17-20 result followed by a 20 on the table, so 1/5 x 1/20). So very rare (with 10 games in a campaign and an average of 15 random encounters in those in total, you're unlikely to ever see it happen), and when it does, again, you will probably do anything in your power to avoid him. Definitely don't charge straight in to farm some xp!

What you just described I would've liked so much more.. If I had to guess then maybe the issue is that all the characters in Cursed City are already supposed to be pretty badass and the levels they gain are more small, incremental buffs. So maybe it wouldn't make as much sense for you to be terrified of an enemy, only for you to then willingly face it 2 levels down the line (seeing as you're not supposed to be that much more powerful?)

Still I wonder if you can't just cycle out those cards from the deck the first 2-3 missions, would it make the game that much easier? Maybe enemy slot nr1 should always be activated as if you're level 2 to compensate..

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

...I mean, I’ve got a near complete set of BSF, and am missing just a single deck of cards. The cards I’m not terribly bothered about, but will still get them if I can find them at the right price.

All they need to do is give a deadline. Make each freely available to order for a period of day 6 months for argument’s sake. Early adopters such as myself can grab them there and then. People who have more pressing things to spend their money on at least have a set period to plan for.

That way GW don’t need to worry about overstocking, and every one that wants one can get one...

I've come to dread any game that features expansions in card formats. £10 on release day... up to £100 or more within the week from re-sellers. Adeptus Titanicus, I've so far managed to get everything on release, including all the card / command console bits, but perversely I never look forward to when they do Community promotion articles to encourage sales... as there is always that chance I won't get what I want. Which is wrong really, I want more people to play it. I want to advocate people to play... but I don't want to be responsible for setting another gamer up for disappointment.

I'm sure on some level they (GW) do have to worry about overstocks and warehouse footprints, can they actually store 1,666 big boxes of stock - even if only for a day before distribution, but stringing out the release schedule - inviting more orders for another set of deliveries later on, as you say can only be good for everyone.

Do we have new dates for reprinted 'Cursed City' yet? ..and oh dear, now you've reminded me... it's another card based encounter system isn't it?.. Queue sad music and imminent disappointment for card expansion releases.

Loads of these showing up on eBay for as much as 2x the price. Always gonna happen when certain types of people catch wind of a product in short supply/high demand.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wargamers Hub. It's a mob in Queensland that does 25% off pre-orders.

Thanks, boss. Shame it's only pre-orders, but that is a solid discount.

GW really needs to either abandon cards; get their own machine; or lose this fear of ordering another wave of cards from overseas. It's a pain because they make cards part of the game and whilst most of the card content is supporting, they are a lot easier and smoother to work with than the books. They are clearly made with cards in mind; but they keep running them out of stock so fast. Even if physical stores still have stock its a chore to hunt around and find specific sets.

 anab0lic wrote:
Loads of these showing up on eBay for as much as 2x the price. Always gonna happen when certain types of people catch wind of a product in short supply/high demand.

Hate to say it, but that could (should?) be probably attributed to GW themselves. Go on website, be bombarded by adverts and banners advertising a new game release, press the pre-order button and all you see is "Product no longer available online". What do you do with that message as someone who is interested in Cursed City?

...Maybe someone should have designed a second banner / advert at the same time as the first simply saying "We're out of stock now! Don't worry though, as we'll be getting more in soon!", and slap that on the website when they sell out... i.e 15 minutes after release

 Overread wrote:
GW really needs to either abandon cards; get their own machine; or lose this fear of ordering another wave of cards from overseas. It's a pain because they make cards part of the game and whilst most of the card content is supporting, they are a lot easier and smoother to work with than the books. They are clearly made with cards in mind; but they keep running them out of stock so fast. Even if physical stores still have stock its a chore to hunt around and find specific sets.

Exactly this! Cards for Adeptus Titanicus, Necromunda, BSF, even warscrolls for AoS are always in short supply and 'currently' available only at inflated prices. I really hope expansion supplies for this are not 'limited'...

I'm skeptical it's even decided if it's getting a 2nd wave or not. Standard equivocal language from GW and yesterday's community post says "we expect it to sell fast so order now to avoid disappointment yadda yadda"

Billicus wrote:
I'm skeptical it's even decided if it's getting a 2nd wave or not. Standard equivocal language from GW and yesterday's community post says "we expect it to sell fast so order now to avoid disappointment yadda yadda"

It will 100% be restocked.
GW's marketing is always going to encourage you to buy now because, well, its marketing.

GW's track record with Quest games is known, they will run Cursed City for several years, restocking the core set over that period and introducing multiple expansions along the way. Expansions might or might not get second waves and such, but will ultimately all have much shorter life spans in general.


GW can't be selling Cursed City expansions in 2-3 years time if the core set that makes it work isn't on sale then. The way the game is built you 100% need the core set to use the expansions so not having the core set on retail when releasing expansions would make for poor sales in the future.

GW already confirmed on Facebook that it will be restocked.

Haven't seen that, be nice if they put it on their official community site instead of requiring you to go to cancerbook

@Overread I understand all that but it's purely assumptions; and it's only really BSF that worked that way, the prior modern ones were pretty much one-and-done weren't they?

Am I going mental, but wasn’t their rumblings/confirmation that GW were investing in their own on-site print shop?

I swear I’ve heard that, but genuinely cannot confirm.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Am I going mental, but wasn’t their rumblings/confirmation that GW were investing in their own on-site print shop?

I swear I’ve heard that, but genuinely cannot confirm.

Would be nice if they did when so much stuff they do relies on cardboard.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Am I going mental, but wasn’t their rumblings/confirmation that GW were investing in their own on-site print shop?

I swear I’ve heard that, but genuinely cannot confirm.

I think I've heard it banded around on forums, but it was pre corona and I've no idea if its still something that's "on the cards" as it were. If they did then at least it would end the print shop shipping issues.

155 euros for... this.

I mean, nice minis and all... but no way, no how.

For a boardgame, the bang this gets for my buck is simply not enough.

 Albertorius wrote:
155 euros for... this.

I mean, nice minis and all... but no way, no how.

For a boardgame, the bang this gets for my buck is simply not enough.

Even at 155e Cursed City is decent value when seen as both a hobby project and a board game. If you are interested in only one aspect, not so much.

In GW la-la land each hero is worth 20€ anyway so everything else is essentially free.

PiñaColada wrote:
Yeah, the one thing I was surprised, and a little disappointed by was that: (minor spoiler for that GMG playthrough I guess)

Spoiler:

Gorslav and the Watch Captain Halgrim and one of the Vamp triplets completely randomly and unceremoniously show up in the very first mission of the game. Then they obviously get pulverised like a bunch of chumps too and apparently can just come back like it's no big deal. I really thought that killing someone like Gorslav would require a special mission where you have to kill wave after wave after wave of zombies and then finally reaching his sanctum and then you get to kill him. Not him just randomly dropping by on a mission that has nothing to do with him. Obviously the mission I described might very well be how you end up killing him, but already having defeated him like 4 times before that removes a lot of the fun and mystique from it IMO.

I guess I had hoped that the first couple of missions would be more traditional level 1 RPG stuff, so just killing a bunch of rats and bats and maybe some skellies or zombies here and there.

To do that they would have to have included four or five more models to serve as "champion" level enemies, and we don't want people to start expecting more in their games! So the villains have to pull double duty. That aspect definitely feels more "gamey" and detracts from the horror narrative a little bit. On the other hand, we have a sort of D&D-inspired, decades old ecosystem of high level characters matching high level characters, the heroes in this game in order to be "Heroes" in a GW world need to be at least nearly as powerful as the high-level character villains. Because that's how it always worked in WFB army books after all. In WFRP if you want to throw out an enemy that high level PCs need to be afraid of it's got to be like a Greater Demon, a dragon, or somebody famous like Nagash.

jullevi wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
155 euros for... this.

I mean, nice minis and all... but no way, no how.

For a boardgame, the bang this gets for my buck is simply not enough.

Even at 155e Cursed City is decent value when seen as both a hobby project and a board game. If you are interested in only one aspect, not so much.

It is most clearly not, at least not for me.

The minis are ok, but nothing ground shattering that you can't get anywhere else, the amount you get is... so-so.

If you want generic fantasy minis, you can get a feth ton more for the price somewhere else. If you want a good fantasy board game, you can get it better and cheaper somewhere else.

You could even do both at the same price, for the price, for double the amount of stuff. Easily.

And well, if they go the same way they went with BSF (which itself was already straining it at the price/stuff axis) for the expansions, they will make the core look cheap by comparison.

Fool me once, and all that.

Primaris will soon share the same fate as their Firstborn counterparts - scale-wise, at last.

From: https://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/2021/wip-unboxing-warhhamer-quest-cursed-city/

Also, the new Skellies are a full head taller than the old Skellies and Grave Guard, check it out here: https://twitter.com/MengelMinis/status/1378336706848522240

Here is another review, including a 4K unboxing video:
https://taleofpainters.com/2021/04/review-warhammer-quest-cursed-city/

Great! A few more scale bumps and I can start using Kingdom Death minis for Age of Sigmar. Not only will they have better proportions, they'll be cheaper too!

The Grave Guard he's posted it next to is hunched over, not standing straight. He says so in his FB post. Standing tall, the old ones are fractionally smaller. Not discernably different.

Wow. Those guys are huge. I guess we should have seen this coming.

I want to see how tall Grimscry is. Based on some of the photos, he's a lot taller than most of the warband, so he's going to look massive. (as massive as a frail old man can look)

Edit: Nevermind, he's shown in another picture. Not too bad. The Wolf is an absolute beast though. Even without the tactical rock, he's bigger than primaris.

 stahly wrote:
Primaris will soon share the same fate as their Firstborn counterparts - scale-wise, at last. [...] Also, the new Skellies are a full head taller than the old Skellies and Grave Guard, check it out here: https://twitter.com/MengelMinis/status/1378336706848522240

It's more a proportions thing than a scale thing. The old skellies and grave guard are ~6–6.5 heads tall in the classic "heroic" scale, with shrunken legs and abdomens. Perry and Northstar have these proportions, too. Many of the newer GW sculpts are around 7 heads, with smaller heads. Real adult human beings are 7.5–8 heads tall, regardless of size. Truly big people like Hafþór "The Mountain" Björnsson can be more.

I wonder how the skeletons will compare to the Warhammer Underworlds team?

Also, I didn't realize you get six bat and rat swarms. Hopefully that'll make picking them up on ebay a lot easier

 GaroRobe wrote:
I wonder how the skeletons will compare to the Warhammer Underworlds team?

Also, I didn't realize you get six bat and rat swarms. Hopefully that'll make picking them up on ebay a lot easier

Check out this post: https://twitter.com/Pjschard/status/1378357310045687808

Keep in mind that the Warden is the tallest posed model in the warband.

 Overread wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Am I going mental, but wasn’t their rumblings/confirmation that GW were investing in their own on-site print shop?

I swear I’ve heard that, but genuinely cannot confirm.

I think I've heard it banded around on forums, but it was pre corona and I've no idea if its still something that's "on the cards" as it were. If they did then at least it would end the print shop shipping issues.

@MDG, Yes it was from me at least, if you recall back when i went to loot the Kill Team open day(Im one of Docs Loot Group admins), GW only made 25 sets for each of the Kill Teams Gaunts Ghosts and Schaffers Last Chancers(No idea why they thought it was a good idea to produce so little when they sold at least 1000+ tickets sold, WHW was at max capacity and they had been bigging up the event and saying you will be able to grab those minis for a good while) Because they had sold out of the kill teams within the 1st 20-30 mins of opening, i complained to the events manager that this sort of thing wasnt on, so he agreed to make me another 20+ sets of the Kill Teams. They was MTO and i was told my order is in both the metal casting and card printing queue, he also explained that they had just recently invested in a card printing machine and iirc GW hoped to be doing more in-house printing to save outsourcing to China, the event was back in Oct 2018 and at this moment i can not think of the dudes name so i cant search my email for the exact quote, if any one does know the event managers name il happily have a search

 NephMakes wrote:

 stahly wrote:
Primaris will soon share the same fate as their Firstborn counterparts - scale-wise, at last. [...] Also, the new Skellies are a full head taller than the old Skellies and Grave Guard, check it out here: https://twitter.com/MengelMinis/status/1378336706848522240

It's more a proportions thing than a scale thing. The old skellies and grave guard are ~6–6.5 heads tall in the classic "heroic" scale, with shrunken legs and abdomens. Perry and Northstar have these proportions, too. Many of the newer GW sculpts are around 7 heads, with smaller heads. Real adult human beings are 7.5–8 heads tall, regardless of size. Truly big people like Hafþór "The Mountain" Björnsson can be more.

How about the Ossiarch regular guys, then? Is there any comparison with those?

 Albertorius wrote:

 NephMakes wrote:

 stahly wrote:
the new Skellies are a full head taller than the old Skellies and Grave Guard, check it out here: https://twitter.com/MengelMinis/status/1378336706848522240

It's more a proportions thing than a scale thing. The old skellies and grave guard are ~6–6.5 heads tall in the classic "heroic" scale, with shrunken legs and abdomens. [...] Many of the newer GW sculpts are around 7 heads, with smaller heads. Real adult human beings are 7.5–8 heads tall, regardless of size.

How about the Ossiarch regular guys, then? Is there any comparison with those?

Just to be clear: I'm not saying they're not larger. I'm just saying they're not larger for the sake of being larger, but to give them proportions that are less cartoonish and childlike. In one of the Voxcast interviews, Jes Goodwin called the Primaris sculpts re-proportioned not re-scaled, since the heads and hands (and shoulderpads?) are still the same size. I it sounded like the lore about Primaris being bigger came after the models were designed.

 NephMakes wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 NephMakes wrote:

 stahly wrote:
the new Skellies are a full head taller than the old Skellies and Grave Guard, check it out here: https://twitter.com/MengelMinis/status/1378336706848522240

It's more a proportions thing than a scale thing. The old skellies and grave guard are ~6–6.5 heads tall in the classic "heroic" scale, with shrunken legs and abdomens. [...] Many of the newer GW sculpts are around 7 heads, with smaller heads. Real adult human beings are 7.5–8 heads tall, regardless of size.

How about the Ossiarch regular guys, then? Is there any comparison with those?

Just to be clear: I'm not saying they're not larger. I'm just saying they're not larger for the sake of being larger, but to give them proportions that are less cartoonish and childlike. In one of the Voxcast interviews, Jes Goodwin called the Primaris sculpts re-proportioned not re-scaled, since the heads and hands (and shoulderpads?) are still the same size. I it sounded like the lore about Primaris being bigger came after the models were designed.

My point was that the Ossiarch skellies are newer models and that the reproportioning already took place for those. So, how do they compare with these new ones?