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First Instinct is that they will need to push Mortifiers out of a list to make room.
I'm not sure If a little extra gun and order traits will do that. Getting a squad of Morties into close combat Is a glorious thing.

Edit: Now I've had a coffee and thought about it a bit. I have Heavy Bolter Retibuter squad in my list. If I took them out and possibly one Morty, that should create the points gap needed. I'm in.

 Strg Alt wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
My suspension of disbelief can handle the thigh gap, but the exposed head and arms...

Seriously, just shoot them in the face. Or arms. All that extra armor and mechanics easily rendered useless with minor firepower. Should have a rule where if an enemy hits it on a 6 they roll to wound against T3 and instant death the thing on success. It's just so gratingly stupid and made more so by how many dam times it's happened.

Centurions were miles better than this. At least they had the exposed parts in the BACK. At least the dreadknight pilot was a space marine in terminator armor with accompanying force field. At least goddam Murderfang didn't have his arm circuits exposed ready to be disabled by anyone with wire cutters. Yeah, to me these things are dumber than Murderfang.

If you apply this way of thinking you can trash a LOT of 40K models. Want some examples? Here we go:

- Lightly armored vehicles (Land Speeder, Ork Buggies, Bikes & Jet Bikes, etc. ).

In order: the pilot is pretty well shielded by the vehicle (and has a helmet) and is not all that much less armored himself, generally have potential replacements for driver & gunner who themselves are MUCH tougher than an baseline human, much smaller targets than the above and the riders have helmets (I hope...), and to all of those things they are much faster moving than whatever the nundam will be and some are airborne to boot. Some still bug me a little but I can brush it off.

- Tanks with Crew looking out of a hatch.

I can assume they go back down once combat starts proper and accept it well enough.

- ALL infantry models which don't wear a helmet.

Also grate on me to no end. One of my biggest peeves for 40k which the nundam has on top of those teeny cables.

Nobody wants to have a legion of identical clones who adhere slavishly to an imagined sense of realism.

Speaking of sense of realism, when did we jump from 'I don't like this model' to 'legion of identical clones' I think there are a number of stages to cross there.

What would be the outcome of realism anyway? Well, look into the real world. You will have tanks, artillery, aircraft & unarmoured infantry.
So please GW, trash all power armour, titans and walkers. We the consumer want REALISM not COOL models.

At risk of being impolite... did I trigger something? You really jumped the shark with this response.

It looks incredibly stupid.

I love it.

I think it looks great and will back that up by rewarding GW with money. I hope this will encourage them to offer me more cool stuff. Wonderful.

I've already said they aren't going to be a hit with everyone, I like them, but then I also love nurglings, so I may be strange. That said, I also love the mental feats people are going through with it.

" Well I think it looks dumb, and feels stupid, I'll have 2 or three squads, but this is a miss with me GW ! " How does that make any sense at all ? Someone please explain it to me. As it looks like " I hate it, this sucks, give me three squads, but ya messed up GW ! "

I'd say I'm taking crazy pills but I see that claim a lot with GW items.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
This is just 1 lasgun shot to the face of the pilot and it's over. The Tau at least fully enclose theirs.

Force fields are a thing in 40k...

 Grimtuff wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
This is just 1 lasgun shot to the face of the pilot and it's over. The Tau at least fully enclose theirs.

Force fields are a thing in 40k...

That was in fact what the guy on the reveal said when the point was raised.

Personally I just think it looks awful so a purchase is unlikely unless I can make a conversion work

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I'll admit you have a good point, but I will see what GW does in the future. I don't see them putting a "squad" of these in a single box. GW always puts half a full squad 5 Astartes, 5 guardsmen, 5 Custodian guard, 3 Vertus Praetors, if they put 3 in a box I think that would be in keeping with their buy two boxes to get a full set type. Also likely not enough extras to fully kit them all out the way you want them.

I do like it when people make declarations involving "always" or "never", as there is usually a significant chance that they're talking out their backside - in this case, just off the top of my head, I'd direct you to the Tactical squad, Assault Intercessors, Hellblasters, Reivers, Incursors/Infiltrators, Cadian Infantry and Catachan Infantry as counter-examples, off the top of my head.

 Grimtuff wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
This is just 1 lasgun shot to the face of the pilot and it's over. The Tau at least fully enclose theirs.

Force fields are a thing in 40k...

Not to mention that we know that there is a helmeted option in the kit (which indicates the pilots to be Celestians, from what I remember).

I'd guess these are going to be a box of three, priced somewhere between Outriders and Centurions. Two per box, priced along the same lines as the Penitent Engines, wouldn't be a huge surprise, but it would be disappointing.

Depends on size but I'd imagine it would be 2 or 3 in the box cost about the cost of those cyber cavalry guys from the Ad mech, the serberys guys. Seems like a good price point. That is my guess at least.

 Dysartes wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I'll admit you have a good point, but I will see what GW does in the future. I don't see them putting a "squad" of these in a single box. GW always puts half a full squad 5 Astartes, 5 guardsmen, 5 Custodian guard, 3 Vertus Praetors, if they put 3 in a box I think that would be in keeping with their buy two boxes to get a full set type. Also likely not enough extras to fully kit them all out the way you want them.

I do like it when people make declarations involving "always" or "never", as there is usually a significant chance that they're talking out their backside - in this case, just off the top of my head, I'd direct you to the Tactical squad, Assault Intercessors, Hellblasters, Reivers, Incursors/Infiltrators, Cadian Infantry and Catachan Infantry as counter-examples, off the top of my head.

 Grimtuff wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
This is just 1 lasgun shot to the face of the pilot and it's over. The Tau at least fully enclose theirs.

Force fields are a thing in 40k...

Not to mention that we know that there is a helmeted option in the kit (which indicates the pilots to be Celestians, from what I remember).

I'd guess these are going to be a box of three, priced somewhere between Outriders and Centurions. Two per box, priced along the same lines as the Penitent Engines, wouldn't be a huge surprise, but it would be disappointing.

Has everyone forgotten that the Helmet makes no difference, for all intents and purposes these women might as well be wearing Flak Armor. They are still T3, so that helmet is just as good at stopping last rounds as her face according to GW rules team. Now if SoB's were T4, as they should be imo, then this wouldn't be that much of an issue for me. But the sillyness remains, you have a bunch of T3 tissue paper people wading into combat with with open air mech suits, like this isn't an issue. Not even talking about realism here, but I don't see how this gets above a T4, seeing as how it's basically just a SoB Terminator. You can at least explain away a Repentia squad or a Penitent engine. They are full of Wierd Faith/Combat stims that prevent them from actually registering damage/pain.

Long story short: no this entire idea is silly to me, and after all the positive gains that Sisters had in their release, this is just off. That being said, this is a new release for a faction that 1. just had a full 100% faction re-release and 2. wasn't hurting for new models. Man, they just love rubbing salt into the Eldar players. But hey, you got those new Banshees, so we good right?

I enjoy the part where you can see into the future and know exactly what the stats are for these things.

Mind telling me next week's lottery numbers whilst you're at it?

If it's not a character, I am expecting it to be:

M:8, WS/BS:3+, S/T:6, W:8, A:4, LD:8(9 for sister superior), Sv:3+

Blade: S+2, AP-3, D3

Looks like twin stormbolters and multimelta on the version I have seen.

@Ninth Musketeer:

"Models are bad because they don't wear helmets/armour."

So you hate exposed crew on vehicles? How about you go back and play 2nd. You had during that era damage charts for EACH vehicle. Shots could either hit exposed crew or any area of the vehicle itself.
Problem was that the game's duration would increase a bit.

Lightly armored vehicles:
So those vehicles move fast or in the case of SM their power armour protects them fully?

Nope, maybe on a race track but not on a cramped 40K battlefield. The instance any biker or buggy has to slow down the vehicle's armour wouldn't protect them in a meaningful way.
Exposed, fully armored SM crew? Sorry man. One plasma shot to the driver and the speeder hits the next brick wall.

Tank crews:
So the crew duck in into the vehicle before the battle starts? How convenient! Look, the sister piloting the Nundam might do something clever too which is putting on her helmet before the battle starts. GASP! Mind-blowing revelation.

Infantry without helmets:
Yes, you don't like them but the Imperium thinks differently. They follow this trope:
"HEROES DON'T WEAR HELMETS."

Why? Well, you need actual people for your propaganda posters after all. Faceless mooks won't do the job for ye.



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 AngryAngel80 wrote:
I've already said they aren't going to be a hit with everyone, I like them, but then I also love nurglings, so I may be strange. That said, I also love the mental feats people are going through with it.

" Well I think it looks dumb, and feels stupid, I'll have 2 or three squads, but this is a miss with me GW ! " How does that make any sense at all ? Someone please explain it to me. As it looks like " I hate it, this sucks, give me three squads, but ya messed up GW ! "

I'd say I'm taking crazy pills but I see that claim a lot with GW items.

True.


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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I'll admit you have a good point, but I will see what GW does in the future. I don't see them putting a "squad" of these in a single box. GW always puts half a full squad 5 Astartes, 5 guardsmen, 5 Custodian guard, 3 Vertus Praetors, if they put 3 in a box I think that would be in keeping with their buy two boxes to get a full set type. Also likely not enough extras to fully kit them all out the way you want them.

I do like it when people make declarations involving "always" or "never", as there is usually a significant chance that they're talking out their backside - in this case, just off the top of my head, I'd direct you to the Tactical squad, Assault Intercessors, Hellblasters, Reivers, Incursors/Infiltrators, Cadian Infantry and Catachan Infantry as counter-examples, off the top of my head.

 Grimtuff wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
This is just 1 lasgun shot to the face of the pilot and it's over. The Tau at least fully enclose theirs.

Force fields are a thing in 40k...

Not to mention that we know that there is a helmeted option in the kit (which indicates the pilots to be Celestians, from what I remember).

I'd guess these are going to be a box of three, priced somewhere between Outriders and Centurions. Two per box, priced along the same lines as the Penitent Engines, wouldn't be a huge surprise, but it would be disappointing.

Has everyone forgotten that the Helmet makes no difference, for all intents and purposes these women might as well be wearing Flak Armor. They are still T3, so that helmet is just as good at stopping last rounds as her face according to GW rules team. Now if SoB's were T4, as they should be imo, then this wouldn't be that much of an issue for me. But the sillyness remains, you have a bunch of T3 tissue paper people wading into combat with with open air mech suits, like this isn't an issue. Not even talking about realism here, but I don't see how this gets above a T4, seeing as how it's basically just a SoB Terminator. You can at least explain away a Repentia squad or a Penitent engine. They are full of Wierd Faith/Combat stims that prevent them from actually registering damage/pain.

Long story short: no this entire idea is silly to me, and after all the positive gains that Sisters had in their release, this is just off. That being said, this is a new release for a faction that 1. just had a full 100% faction re-release and 2. wasn't hurting for new models. Man, they just love rubbing salt into the Eldar players. But hey, you got those new Banshees, so we good right?

GW doesn't want specific damage tables with corresponding vehicle areas for their models anymore.
This has been a thing since 3rd so complaining about it now is a bit late.

Yes, if you would transfer this model to the 2nd era of 40K your opponent would be able to hit the exposed pilot thus making her vulnerable to the weakest weapons in the 40k setting.

But that was the past. Since 3rd ALL incoming attacks are directed at the structure of the vehicle itself in order to dumb down erm "STREAMLINE" the game. I don't understand why it is so hard to comprehend this.

Someone posted this photoshop up on facebook.

Same weird proportions as the original, nothing stretched out. Somehow it seems to work as a disconcerting but not 'wrong' figure once the sister is gone.

A.T. wrote:
Someone posted this photoshop up on facebook.

Same weird proportions as the original, nothing stretched out. Somehow it seems to work as a disconcerting but not 'wrong' figure once the sister is gone.

I like that alot more and was what I was trying for earlier

Getting a very Convergence of Cyriss vibe from that edit, which is a good thing.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I'm sorry, every time I see this I think of Matrix Reloaded. Can we please choke and kill the idea of man piloted exosuits in 40k for non-tau factions? They look so dumb and stupid on every model. The reason the dreadnaught is cool is because you can believe it's a walking tank. This is just 1 lasgun shot to the face of the pilot and it's over. The Tau at least fully enclose theirs. This whole trend needs to be pushed down the stairs. The Sisters aren't about mechs. They are about faith. Nothing about this screams faith.

thats your opinion, man. Do you even play sisters?

Does it even matter how they look? If they are properly costed, then a unit of melta not-termintors could be an interesting choice for some SoB builds.

Karol wrote:
Does it even matter how they look? If they are properly costed, then a unit of melta not-termintors could be an interesting choice for some SoB builds.

looks of units matter when you consider that its the main reason many people even buy them. Not everyone looks for the most cost efficient units.

A.T. wrote:
Someone posted this photoshop up on facebook.

Same weird proportions as the original, nothing stretched out. Somehow it seems to work as a disconcerting but not 'wrong' figure once the sister is gone.

This would have been perfect imo. Sisters automata programmed with FAITH or sister-brains. "DEATH IS A PREFERABLE ALTERNATIVE TO HERESY"

anyways

I don't like the new models. Whatever the proportions of the sister inside, the legs look so spindly - they just look very top heavy. I am struggling to imagine these things coming to a halt from a flat sprint, those tiny legs struggling to take the weight as they sway dangerously, with only the most expert pilots able to keep it from toppling over...

Can you imagine trying to run down a hill on those legs with that top? People tumble over all the time doing that as proportionate humans...

That Photoshop looks really, really good.

A.T. wrote:
Someone posted this photoshop up on facebook.

Same weird proportions as the original, nothing stretched out. Somehow it seems to work as a disconcerting but not 'wrong' figure once the sister is gone.

That's an improvement too, but I still like mine better but only by a bit.

Sorry, not a fan of yours. It suffers from the same thing that the (fairly) recent plague of certain people doing bare-headed Dreadnoughts do, as there is a certain "wrongness" to it, but not in a good way, with the bare head looking out of place.

That mod might work with a helmet, but it's a no go with a bare head. With the arms where they originally were, and the SoB's arms out, it makes it obvious it's a battlesuit rig, and not something like a Dreadnought.

A.T. wrote:
Someone posted this photoshop up on facebook.

Same weird proportions as the original, nothing stretched out. Somehow it seems to work as a disconcerting but not 'wrong' figure once the sister is gone.

It's an improvement. Still needs some big exhaust stacks belching fire in the back to fit in with the Immolator, Exorcist and Penitent Engine though.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Sorry, not a fan of yours. It suffers from the same thing that the (fairly) recent plague of certain people doing bare-headed Dreadnoughts do, as there is a certain "wrongness" to it, but not in a good way, with the bare head looking out of place.

That mod might work with a helmet, but it's a no go with a bare head. With the arms where they originally were, and the SoB's arms out, it makes it obvious it's a battlesuit rig, and not something like a Dreadnought.

Yeah maybe a helmet added would look better but I think there are helmets in the kit.

Did I miss something skimming through the last pages of the thread? Why did this get shunted from News and Rumors when it's the discussion of a brand new revealed model?

 warboss wrote:
Did I miss something skimming through the last pages of the thread? Why did this get shunted from News and Rumors when it's the discussion of a brand new revealed model?

It didn't. The preview thread is still in N&R. This is Strg Alt's general discussion thread specifically about the Sisters suit.
Has the advantage of just being about the one 40k thing without tangents on the other game lines (as exciting as some of those are, focused discussion is a little more clear)

Voss wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Did I miss something skimming through the last pages of the thread? Why did this get shunted from News and Rumors when it's the discussion of a brand new revealed model?

It didn't. The preview thread is still in N&R. This is Strg Alt's general discussion thread specifically about the Sisters suit.

I'm pretty sure this thread started there and think it was moved at some point this weekend. I almost never check this subforum. Regardless, I was just curious.

That is without a doubt one of the worst looking models GW has yet produced. Almost as ridiculous looking as the GK Dreadknight or Centurions in general.

Most 40k armies have a walker of some kind, and for SoB Penitent Engines were just fine. This honestly looks stupid. If they wanted to release something for Sisters, why not some more Ministorum focussed units like Frateris Militia maybe, cheap zealots for chaff? Or maybe some artillery, like a cross between HWT and Mek guns: souped up crew operated versions of the Holy Trinity: a big melta-cannon, super-bolter and a mega-flamer. Or bikers, or elite infantry with a focus on close combat (you could even call them Paragons)? Or a new box set of Crusaders or DCA?

But instead it's just another confusing baby-carrier. I honestly wonder what kind of people buy half the stuff GW releases these days.