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AduroT wrote: At best he’s $150 US. I’d expect closer to $175 though.
And here my conversion idea dies...
I might aswell go creature caster then
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Dysartes wrote: If the Great Horned Rat is now a fully-fledged Chaos God in AoS, has there been any sign of anyone other than Skaven worshiping him?
Not really no and honestly he doesn't need it. He's got countless Skaven who worship him and have done for generations. So the Great Horned Rat has no need to sully himself by reaching out to mankind or aelves.
The Horned Rat had human worshipers in the Old World, would make sense that trend continued in the new ones.
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Dysartes wrote: If the Great Horned Rat is now a fully-fledged Chaos God in AoS, has there been any sign of anyone other than Skaven worshiping him?
Not really no and honestly he doesn't need it. He's got countless Skaven who worship him and have done for generations. So the Great Horned Rat has no need to sully himself by reaching out to mankind or aelves.
The Horned Rat had human worshipers in the Old World, would make sense that trend continued in the new ones.
Aye, but it was always a lesser thing. It's the kind of thing we might see in an underworld warband or perhaps a Warcry warband, but not something I'd expect to see mainstream. It's the "1 in a billion" chaos worshippers angle in that yes it happens, but most aren't going to follow the Great Horned Rat.
Also I'd argue that Skaven are much more powerful than they were in the Old World and much more overt in their actions. They don't need humans to help them sneak around Nuln any more
These days though, they're able to align with chaos warriors. Nurgle followers and Plague monks get on decently enough. Plus, you underestimate the use of expandable human chaff. Why use skaven slaves when you have a bunch of humans to use?
Dysartes wrote: If the Great Horned Rat is now a fully-fledged Chaos God in AoS, has there been any sign of anyone other than Skaven worshiping him?
Not really no and honestly he doesn't need it. He's got countless Skaven who worship him and have done for generations. So the Great Horned Rat has no need to sully himself by reaching out to mankind or aelves.
The Horned Rat had human worshipers in the Old World, would make sense that trend continued in the new ones.
Aye, but it was always a lesser thing. It's the kind of thing we might see in an underworld warband or perhaps a Warcry warband, but not something I'd expect to see mainstream. It's the "1 in a billion" chaos worshippers angle in that yes it happens, but most aren't going to follow the Great Horned Rat.
Also I'd argue that Skaven are much more powerful than they were in the Old World and much more overt in their actions. They don't need humans to help them sneak around Nuln any more
True - although they do still act in the same way in the cities of Sigmar and other gods so fostering a cult of humans (or other creatures) makes sense - especially since they are nothing more than fodder in the end - Skaven do enjoy lording it over others as well. The Mortal Realms is so vast that it will crop up but as you say are not common.
I think there is a short story where there is some human followers but might be misremembering.
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Inquisitor Gideon wrote: He kinda looks more dragonesque than Daemon in a way. I really like it.
Well, he would, wouldn’t he?
He was the first mortal to become the Everchosen, long before the arrival of the Old Ones and the Slann, which means he’s a native of the planet, which means either Dragon Ogre or pure Dragon. And we know what happens with dragon ogres so…
Please GW...make me a Shaggoth in this size. I would die.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Same price as those massively overpriced new giants.
Yea he's going to be bonkers pricey. I want those giants so bad, too, but $170US is too far for a model that I probably won't put on the table.
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AduroT wrote: At best he’s $150 US. I’d expect closer to $175 though.
And here my conversion idea dies...
I might aswell go creature caster then
The old model still looks good; You could always buy the metal version off Ebay once it's cheap and give him an extremely large, Golden Demon Diorama-esque base.
Can recommend. I've been working from the Pile of Opportunity for the last year and it's been fun to create things from it that can work for their new expensive kits.
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AduroT wrote: At best he’s $150 US. I’d expect closer to $175 though.
And here my conversion idea dies...
I might aswell go creature caster then
The old model still looks good; You could always buy the metal version off Ebay once it's cheap and give him an extremely large, Golden Demon Diorama-esque base.
I wouldn't count on it getting cheaper, every time I look for old metals people are asking a fortune for them.
AduroT wrote: At best he’s $150 US. I’d expect closer to $175 though.
And here my conversion idea dies...
I might aswell go creature caster then
The old model still looks good; You could always buy the metal version off Ebay once it's cheap and give him an extremely large, Golden Demon Diorama-esque base.
I wouldn't count on it getting cheaper, every time I look for old metals people are asking a fortune for them.
this.
Also, i would've quite liked his bigger and more draconic looks but there comes a point with GW charachters and centerpieces that just starts to hurt the hobby money account too much to bother with. Especially since i'd chopped him up.
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dan2026 wrote: Be'lakor has some decent survivability, even if he can't hide anymore.
I really hope the Greater Daemons also get something like that when the new Daemon book roles round.
Spesh as anything he gets into HTH with is gonna have a really, really rough time. -1 to hit and no re-rolls is grim enough, but ignoring Invulnerable saves with a minimum of 4 damage is.....really really nasty! And that’s before we learn what his psychic discipline might bring to the table, or other wombocombo shenanigans and interactions with other stuff.
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To me this suggests that Codex: Daemons is quite a bit further away than I had hoped. Having Be'lakors rules in a supplement only makes sense if the codex comes much later.
To me this suggests that Codex: Daemons is quite a bit further away than I had hoped. Having Be'lakors rules in a supplement only makes sense if the codex comes much later.
Though we have had examples where rules were in a supplement and then a Codex got a release shortly after too though haven’t we?
As belakor is like the 45th character whose deal is that he's the biggest strongest guy who's the best at fighting and has a really great sword made of just the best sharpest stuff, I'm only kind of passingly familiar with him from 7th ed as 'that gray dude who always gets Invisibility."
Is he actually a big enough deal to be able to basically whack any other character in the game in melee? Or is this just blatant "buy the new model" rules?
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Be'lakor is, for the TLDR version, the original Daemon Prince. He was the first Mortal champion of Chaos ascended.
In WHFB/AOS, he's the reason that Archaon is the Everchosen.
Kanluwen wrote: Be'lakor is, for the TLDR version, the original Daemon Prince. He was the first Mortal champion of Chaos ascended.
In WHFB/AOS, he's the reason that Archaon is the Everchosen.
Ok..So in terms of 40k, where does generic gray skull demon fellow fit in to the general hierarchy of "biggest strongest boys with the best coolest swords"?
-Avatar of Khaine
-Abbadon
-Nightbringer Skelton
-Guilliman
-Mortarion now that he's a big strong demon boy
-Emperoni
-Horace Heresy
-I dunno, Khorne I guess?
Where we putting The Gray Man in that general fluff hierarchy?
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Kanluwen wrote: Be'lakor is, for the TLDR version, the original Daemon Prince. He was the first Mortal champion of Chaos ascended.
In WHFB/AOS, he's the reason that Archaon is the Everchosen.
Ok..So in terms of 40k, where does generic gray skull demon fellow fit in to the general hierarchy of "biggest strongest boys with the best coolest swords"?
-Avatar of Khaine
-Abbadon
-Nightbringer Skelton
-Guilliman
-Mortarion now that he's a big strong demon boy
-Emperoni
-Horace Heresy
-I dunno, Khorne I guess?
Where we putting The Gray Man in that general fluff hierarchy?
Bel'Akor is a great character in miniature, design, and fluff, and very old, from fantasy. In 40k he has always been an aftertought.
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I really like the new look of him. It doesn't have that royal knight/kkk look of the old models while saying redemptionist at the same time. The fact that they can be separate from Cawdor is a nice bonus.
