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2022/11/22 13:27:31
Subject: Blacklist Games : Fantasy Series 1 and 2, Lasting Tales, etc.
ced1106 wrote: If you don't get the updates, QML is sending out the "Pledge Manager" for backers to send additional (shipping) payment to QML Tuesday, (and some Monday invites to test the system). From the comments, shipping to USA is up to $35 per set, and to Canada $95 CAD, on top of what backers already paid. ☹️ That's still about $125 for 200 generic fantasy miniatures.
$51 shipping and taxes for two sets to California, USA. The initial shipping was slightly higher for two sets than one ($27 vs $24 or something?).
Well, Flinty posted a 3D printer for $90 in the Holiday Sales section. "If anyone wants to start a new part of the hobby, Mars 2 monochrome resin printer for $99". Obviously more DIY, but no delays, unexpected costs, or drama. KS has *many* .stl projects, often posted in the Reaper forums. Not looking forward to Horror or FS2. ): : https://www.elegoo.com/pages/elegoo-bf2022
Someone doesn't 3d print much. There's always failures, Maintenace and other things that come up. 3D printing is great but it's not some magical wonder box.
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2022/11/23 20:14:29
Subject: Blacklist Games : Fantasy Series 1 and 2, Lasting Tales, etc.
Printing is not for everyone, but hopefully every game group will end up with at least one enthusiast who can take care of everyone. Took me a long while of teeth gnashing - 18 months I'd say - to get in the groove, now I consider it hassle free. And as far as brands go, you could do a lot worse than a Mars 2. Mine is still perfect after 2 years of work, now sat in a box labeled "backup printer". At 99€ new, there's not sense in selling it off.
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2022/11/24 02:10:02
Subject: Blacklist Games : Fantasy Series 1 and 2, Lasting Tales, etc.
Gotcha -- Well, I meant no two-year drama-laden delays of product in limbo, additional costs to pay accumulating warehousing fees as the creator drags its feet, that sort of thing Hopefully, the box won't have any fumes.
Anyway, ksbsnowowl on the Reaper forums noted that "the page where you add another ($125) set shows $86 or $81 shipping, but once you add it and click to the next few pages, supposedly the added shipping cost for the extra set drops to $31."
I've never had a print plate turn out quite as disastrously as this Kickstarter did. (I was lucky though, I've basically had nothing but an easy time since my third try. Mars 2 Pros are great.)
2023/01/25 09:05:20
Subject: Blacklist Games : Fantasy Series 1 and 2, Lasting Tales, etc.
Someone doesn't 3d print much. There's always failures, Maintenace and other things that come up. 3D printing is great but it's not some magical wonder box.
It is for scenery! Just have to spend to get the stress-free options, my Prusa mini has been an absolute workhorse, and there are even better modern options now (Bambu P1P or X1 are a dream).
For minis though?
Not dealing with a Walter White setup for resin printing in my house. Not while HIPs and PVC remain as affordable as they currently are.
I bought this KS, and the 2nd one too, loads of stuff at an insanely low price, any time I need a mini for something, odds are I can crack open the blacklist box and it's in there. I recently needed an iceblade for kings of war, the official mini is a female half-elf barbarian with two swords. You'd think that would be too specific to just have lying around, but nope, I checked the blacklist box and there was one in there!
Currently playing a blood bowl league with necromantic horror since FS1 has everything needed for it in there.
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2023/01/25 22:50:05
Subject: Re:Blacklist Games : Fantasy Series 1 and 2, Lasting Tales, etc.
This has to be the understatement of the century. Uphill battle indeed...
Will Blacklist Games produce new games?
Yes. Although it seems like an uphill battle still, we still have a lot of exciting games in the queue that we put a pause on because of the shipping issues. Some of which were expanded content for specific games we have in our catalog. But before we can think about these, we are keeping our focus and resources completely locked in with finding solutions for shipping.
To be fair, after finally getting FS1, the quality is really good for the little I spent (including the extra QML shipping cost). If I was able to buy FS2 from a retailer, I'd jump on it.
2023/11/22 23:05:46
Subject: Re:Blacklist Games : Fantasy Series 1 and 2, Lasting Tales, etc.
I got my figures for Fantasy Series 1, they are great, I painted them all and use them in DnD all the time. Kick Starters undertaken in the past 3 years have all seen horrible cost blowouts and the smaller companies havent been capitalized enough to absorb them. If these figuires turn up, I'll be happy, if they dont, I'll be circumspect but understanding.
I made the cut-off deadline for refunds but haven't seen it. Will I ever see it?
Yes, it is something that will happen. Currently, there are no extra funds to use for refunds as our accountant has locked down what we have for FS2/LT while it's still in production. As is, everything is super tight because we have no cashflow coming in since we haven't sold any product for a year because all of our inventory had been locked down. We have no new product and we haven't been attending any conventions. The funds locked for FS2/LT is reserved for upcoming freight, picking/packing, shipping materials, shipping/fulflllment, though with the inflated cost of shipping still, that amount is unknown and won't be the same as even today's rates.
Having said that, after FS1 fulfills, we'll figure out how to access our inventory and try to find simple ways to create some kind of cashflow. Once we do, we will absolutely honor those refunds that made it within the refund deadline.
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2023/11/23 08:04:57
Subject: Blacklist Games : Fantasy Series 1 and 2, Lasting Tales, etc.
That doesn't sound good. But then again, I'm not really knowledgeable on that part of business so it could actually be a good thing for us customers that an accountant is keeping a close eye on everything.
I'm not sure if I will ever receive anything, but the first series was nice and I enjoyed painting them. That said, it wasn't that expensive and they did promise a downright insane number of minis for that. So we'll have to see.
I don't think that it was a scam as some people are claiming. There are far more effective scams to run. They suffered from the pandemic and probably were/are a little too much on the hobby side and not enough on the business one.
The most annoying thing is that the book will probably never see the retail in print or even PDF. Based on the demo it looked promising, and would be really fun to have for all solo/co-op fantasy gamers out there.
2023/11/23 11:02:02
Subject: Blacklist Games : Fantasy Series 1 and 2, Lasting Tales, etc.
Shadow Walker wrote: The most annoying thing is that the book will probably never see the retail in print or even PDF. Based on the demo it looked promising, and would be really fun to have for all solo/co-op fantasy gamers out there.
Is that Lasting Tales? It's not out? I've seen it played on youtube what feels like years ago. Looked fine indeed. Like a variant of Rangers of Shadowdeep that leaned more into D&D mechanics.
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2023/11/23 12:06:03
Subject: Blacklist Games : Fantasy Series 1 and 2, Lasting Tales, etc.
Shadow Walker wrote: The most annoying thing is that the book will probably never see the retail in print or even PDF. Based on the demo it looked promising, and would be really fun to have for all solo/co-op fantasy gamers out there.
I had the same thought and then randomly stumbled upon it here a few weeks ago: Lasting Tales
Looks like an interesting set of rules to me, so I'm glad it made it at least this far.
lord_blackfang wrote:
Is that Lasting Tales? It's not out? I've seen it played on youtube what feels like years ago. Looked fine indeed. Like a variant of Rangers of Shadowdeep that leaned more into D&D mechanics.
It was a demo played by GMG (and others). No gameplay from the finished rules as far as I know. And yes, it was more like D&D turned into skirmish wargame but allowed for more freedom than Rangers when it comes to heroes, enemies and terrain.
Taarnak wrote:
I had the same thought and then randomly stumbled upon it here a few weeks ago: Lasting Tales
Looks like an interesting set of rules to me, so I'm glad it made it at least this far.
Wow, did not expect that, and therefore never looked for it. Big thanks for the info
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2023/11/24 02:03:33
Subject: Blacklist Games : Fantasy Series 1 and 2, Lasting Tales, etc.
lord_blackfang wrote:
Is that Lasting Tales? It's not out? I've seen it played on youtube what feels like years ago. Looked fine indeed. Like a variant of Rangers of Shadowdeep that leaned more into D&D mechanics.
It was a demo played by GMG (and others). No gameplay from the finished rules as far as I know. And yes, it was more like D&D turned into skirmish wargame but allowed for more freedom than Rangers when it comes to heroes, enemies and terrain.
I like these rules better than Rangers of Shadow Deep or 5 Leagues. I intend to use 5 Leagues for the world building; 5 Leagues, Rangers, Lasting Tales, and many others for scenarios. And since I have so may of the figures already, the setting will be The Old World or the Mortal Realms.
I've long written off ever receiving anything physical from this campaign. I think it was the other Blacklist Games thread that I joked about getting a $300 PDF.
Still, I'm kinda pleased to see it was put up for sale on DrivethroughRPG since I think it's a better solo game than 5 Leagues and Rangers of Shadowdeep, but it's been so long since I played it that I don't quite remember why it's any better. I did like that it was set up for more traditional D&D style fantasy, so even without th Fantasy Series 1 and 2 minis, it's easy enough to use your Wizkids/Reaper/GW collection.
Overall, I'd recommend the game, despite the KS shenanigans.
It seems that they're still trying to do something as there's been an update on Gamefound. I still maintain some hope, but we'll have to see what happens in the end. At least I do have the feeling that they're trying to deliver.
Steamforged just announced they acquired Street Masters from Blacklist games so that's where some of the money to finish this appears to be coming from.
Looks like they're able to finishing delivering the expansion for that as well.
As some of you will know, there’s been a delay between finalising the acquisition and today’s announcement. It’s been hard for us to keep this news quiet — especially because the Indiegogo campaign, Street Masters: Tide of the Dragon, is still waiting to be fulfilled — and we’re glad to finally be able to shed some light on the situation.
We want to do everything we can to make sure backers of the Indiegogo campaign aren’t left high and dry. So, after we’d acquired Street Masters and gotten access to all the details, we immediately started analysing the inventory to figure out exactly what inventory there was to fulfil the outstanding pledges. With our Kickstarter experience of 15 fulfilled campaigns, we’d estimated this would take a few weeks to a month at most.
It was at this point we discovered some things we hadn’t been made aware of upon purchasing the IP, which turned this into a far more complex and lengthy process than it should have been.
Once we got stuck into the details, it became clear the inventory was spread out across multiple warehouses around the world. There were also unpaid storage bills we needed to negotiate and, due to a miscommunication with the supplier, two items hadn’t been manufactured.
Thankfully, because we have good, long-standing relationships with fulfilment partners, we were able to agree deals which would let us secure the available stock, while making sure the various companies were treated fairly. Many thanks to Quartermaster, Aetherworks, and VFI.
There are some final hurdles we still need to clear, but we didn’t want to keep you waiting any longer for an update. What we can confirm at this stage is we’re now confident that enough inventory a) does exist, and b) is available for us to fulfil the Indiegogo campaign.
Our next major hurdle is to get that inventory to the right places. Right now, it’s spread across the globe, but now we know what exists and where it needs to be, we'll soon start moving boxes to get backer rewards to the right hubs. This is a costly process and will take a little time, but again, we've been able to cover this by working with our partners.
We're also working with those partners to calculate rates for shipping pledges from the hubs to backers. Right now we don't have a clear idea of this, but we should have more details soon.
If you’re a backer of the Indiegogo campaign, we’d ask that you be patient just a little longer while this is completed. We will send out an update to all backers once everything is ready to begin the process of fulfilling the campaign.
2023/11/29 02:20:28
Subject: Re:Blacklist Games : Fantasy Series 1 and 2, Lasting Tales, etc.
> Still, I'm kinda pleased to see it was put up for sale on DrivethroughRPG since I think it's a better solo game than 5 Leagues and Rangers of Shadowdeep, but it's been so long since I played it that I don't quite remember why it's any better. I did like that it was set up for more traditional D&D style fantasy, so even without th Fantasy Series 1 and 2 minis, it's easy enough to use your Wizkids/Reaper/GW collection.
The between-scenario random encounters in Lasting makes the campaign feel like a string of unattached episodes, rather than 5L and Ranger's campaign, but that's narrative, not mechanics. You could definitely come up with a narrative to tie together the encounters. And I like the between-scenario random encounters very much. 5L just has you selecting from a set of tasks between adventures, and Rangers doesn't have between-scenario events. LT does have a "premade" campaign that feels like a campaign narrative.
LT and 5L are terrain-friendly, as you can select pretty much any terrain in your dungeon, wilderness, and settlement collection. With dungeon, you'll still want a large battlefield, and a settlement some buildings, such as Battle System's Village Set. It's only an aesthetic choice, but I stopped playing Rangers (and Frostgrave) because the scenarios called for specific terrain which I don't have. I can certainly proxy, but I've spent thousands of dollars on terrain and would actually like to play with what I bought!
LT has a good magic system. For one thing, your mage and cleric have different spells, and you can try out a good variety of them and they will make battles more interesting. 5L limits you in that it's difficult to learn new spells, and the best / most versatile spells are just modifiers or prevent an opponent from moving. Rangers doesn't have magic, iirc.
LT was harder (ie. the other games were cakewalks) in that you have to fulfill an objective (although bad terrain placement would make some scenarios too easy). With 5L, I spent a game year (: to arm everyone with crossbows and objective were not mandatory, so we pretty much mowed down everyone charging us. With Rangers, I only played the first scenario, and it was too easy to control the board. In all three games, the crossbow is OP.
LT is also harder in that the level system is... random. When you go up a level, you could receive a melee special ability for a character you made for ranged combat. You *can* change skills if you pay enough gold for retraining. But the monsters get more numerous and tougher as your party gains levels. The minions can take down a hero if he doesn't control the board and use terrain.
Since I play solo, I exhaust content faster than a weekly game. So I've played several game systems and think a miniature skirmish gamer is better off trying a new system, rather than replaying an existing one. The cost of miniature skirmish game for myself is the terrain and miniatures, not the rules. I'd add Sellswords and Spellslingers to the list of solo miniature skirmish games. Even though I finished the scenarios quickly, the base game is only $8.
I really like this one, it has no narrative but there's a strong setup generator with high replayability, so much that there's an area for tracking your high score for each scenario (monster).
The theme is pulp monster hunting but Ash reskinned it to X-files.
