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IT does seem some reviews over-exaggerated what happened with the realm gates, a few realm gates were destroyed, but not all of them. Vindicarum's realm gate still stands, but how no one mentioned that it wasn't an entire stormhost, but chambers of the Celestial Warbringers.
Gardus Dies once which is actually pretty awesome. And poor poor Gallus my favorite stormcast. One of the few First Reforged not to have died through out the series, Lord Castellant of the Steel Souls. Awesome buddy to Gardus and interesting character. :( Perma Killed by Be'lakor and ripped in half. RIP Gallus.
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From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
Sure, SCE don’t have quite the poster boy dominance as Marines in 40K, but they’re still typically front and centre.
This series, so far (three volumes in in case someone in the future is reading this), has given other arguably more interesting because they’re less covered personalities come to the fore.
I’m almost certain we’ll end up with another Chamber being opened by the end of it. And I’m OK with that. What’s important is that the various pantheons are being widened, and in ways that feel like they matter.
And we’re possibly getting a whole new player in the game with whatever and whomever Kragnos is!
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NinthMusketeer wrote: If you've read them you should see it; Grombrindal is always an active participant. He goes out of his way to converse with people, give advice, or to fight foes. What he doesn't do is remain mostly silent in the background, only acting in the smallest way possible to tip fate. Grombrindal is also about intervening with individuals or small groups, he doesn't roll into diplomacy between states and change what an entire faction chooses to do.
True but also in the K.Overlords White Dwarf story he fights Morathi
Spoiler:
- even getting in a dig about her not ageing well He does say that he can't hold her off for long.
which seems important.
I really enjoyed these stories.
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Sure, SCE don’t have quite the poster boy dominance as Marines in 40K, but they’re still typically front and centre.
This series, so far (three volumes in in case someone in the future is reading this), has given other arguably more interesting because they’re less covered personalities come to the fore.
I’m almost certain we’ll end up with another Chamber being opened by the end of it. And I’m OK with that. What’s important is that the various pantheons are being widened, and in ways that feel like they matter.
And we’re possibly getting a whole new player in the game with whatever and whomever Kragnos is!
Plus stormhosts are crazy cool in most circumstances and their characters are still human. And they do lose... all the time.
Be'lakor is proof of that.
I am also wondering what else they will do for the pantheons, I know we are probably getting a new faction next edition which might be the 3rd edition big bad I hope.
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
So we saw Kragnos and holy gak he looks awesome. That now seals that I'm going to do destruction, just need to see if the rumors of a new Destruction army in the 3.0 box is true.
drbored wrote: I wonder if there's a God of Glue that's going to show up and try to stick everything back together again?
What, you haven't heard of Daplayas, God of Assembly?
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drbored wrote: I wonder if there's a God of Glue that's going to show up and try to stick everything back together again?
What, you haven't heard of Daplayas, God of Assembly?
Nah, in a dramatic twist, the Order gods will dig deep within themselves and overcome their ego's, arrogance, suspicions and natural inclination towards tomfoolery(mainly the Aelven gods) and come together in ways they never have. The bond of their friendship will be the glue that repairs the Broken Realms.
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"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
The real Broken Realms were the friends we made along the way.
I'm feeling a little apprehensive about Kragnos. I like that Destruction is getting another god-like entity besides Gork n' Mork, but having him be unaligned to any specific group doesn't sit right with me.
Yeah, I like it from that angle, but Gotrek has always been a wandering mercenary. Joins with an army to wreck face. Kragnos is supposed to be some sort of deity, and I guess having another army join him for whatever business he's getting down to could work... But he seems more like a Leader than Gotrek. Maybe the rules release will dispel those concerns.
Truthfully, it just seems like a lot of this dislike goes around to the idea that he doesn't "fit" with anything...but that's kind of the point of him.
He's a "god" of a dead race. He has some cred with the Destruction races as he chipped one of Gork/Mork's teeth and is all about that "Might Makes Right" lifestyle. They'll follow him as long as the fights come, and that's all that matters to both.
I want to wait and see if he comes with some special allegiance options before making a call on that specific point, but I can see what both sides are saying.
Since the Centigors look more like wemics with horns than centaurs, the Kragnos model doesn't really fit in with the Beasts of Chaos either.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Thadin wrote: Kragnos is supposed to be some sort of deity,
Plenty of people are convinced of the same with Gotrek.
You know you're really doing something when you can make strangers hate you over the Internet. - Mauleed
Just remember folks. Panic. Panic all the time. It's the only way to survive, other than just being mindful, of course-but geez, that's so friggin' boring. - Aegis Grimm
Hallowed is the All Pie The Before Times: A Place That Celebrates The World That Was
Thadin wrote: Kragnos is supposed to be some sort of deity,
Plenty of people are convinced of the same with Gotrek.
Thought it had been confirmed he was at least a demi-god now.
Destruction def needs some new stuff
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Ghaz wrote: Since the Centigors look more like wemics with horns than centaurs,
Sure, I suppose - if you turn off the lights, squint real hard, & ignore the fact that there's nothing feline about any of the sculpts....
What they DO look like are a variation of GWs beastmen/gors - who're based on satyrs but with a more bovine look.
Sorry but I've never seen any cows with claws on their feet...
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Thadin wrote: Kragnos is supposed to be some sort of deity,
Plenty of people are convinced of the same with Gotrek.
Thought it had been confirmed he was at least a demi-god now.
At the very least he's a living ancient, yeah. The Fyreslayers are convinced he's Grimnir reborn and Ghoulslayer ends with an entire civilization building a religion/cult around him. He's not big on either of those things.
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Just remember folks. Panic. Panic all the time. It's the only way to survive, other than just being mindful, of course-but geez, that's so friggin' boring. - Aegis Grimm
Hallowed is the All Pie The Before Times: A Place That Celebrates The World That Was
Agreed that Destruction needs some better narrative representation right now that currently aligns better with the existing factions rather than rando Kragnos that basically just has their respect because he smashes good. An Avatar of Gork/Mork (though with Rogue Idols still being a thing, I'm not sure we would get that) would be nice, as would be some representation of the Great Maw for Ogors. It kind of sucks because OnG had really flavourful characters between pure killing machines like Grimgor, taktikul Orcs like Gorbad and Azhag, and tough gobbo gitz like Grom the Paunch and his sneakier equivalent Skarsnik. Gordrakk and Skargrotti just don't have that much going on to fill in these big shoes atm.
I mean, all of those were also one-dimensional orc caricatures, like the whole OnG faction. The only remotely interesting Orc/k character GW produced is Ghazkull, because he has traits beyond "He smash good". But sadly when you reduce a whole faction to "nameless barbarian horde that smashes everything in their way", it's hard to have any meaningful characters. Gw orcs stayed in the same spot they were 30 years ago, NPC race to fill out the space between chaos villains turning up to be the real threat.
Destruction needs a desperate overhaul because right now they're paper cut-outs of an alliance.
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The Gloomspite novel did some good wrk in mkaing this aspect of Destruction really dark and unpleasent - hoping the author does more Mortal Realms novels
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Cronch wrote: I mean, all of those were also one-dimensional orc caricatures, like the whole OnG faction. The only remotely interesting Orc/k character GW produced is Ghazkull, because he has traits beyond "He smash good". But sadly when you reduce a whole faction to "nameless barbarian horde that smashes everything in their way", it's hard to have any meaningful characters. Gw orcs stayed in the same spot they were 30 years ago, NPC race to fill out the space between chaos villains turning up to be the real threat.
Destruction needs a desperate overhaul because right now they're paper cut-outs of an alliance.
Ummmmm, I GREATLY disagree with that assessment. Gorbad is basically the Ghazzy of WFB in the sense that he knew how to use combined arms tactics and pretty much brought the Empire to its knees with his siege of Altdorf, he even managed to kill the existing Emperor of the time through his tactical gamble of Wyverns. Azhag was another significant warboss in the sense that he had the strength of will to actually resist the Great Necromancer despite not being a Shaman himself, and was able to contend with Nagash's attempts at taking over his mind, which is why he died to begin with. Skarsnik had an entire book dedicated to him in BL that helps flesh out his rise to power as one of the most kunning Goblin warbosses in recent history, achieving to both outwit the Skaven and the Dwarves in the 3-way fight in one of the biggest dwarf holds in the Old World. Similarly, Grom the Paunch's is another exception to Gobbo Warboss history in that he was the peer of Orc Warbosses in personal size and prowess due to his unprecedented act of being able to eat uncooked troll flesh, not to mention he's one of the few who managed to actually ravage Ulthuan rather than the usual oomie or dwarven lands, which says something given that Goblins are notoriously fearful of elves.
Even in 40k, I would say you're wrong, since the lore behind Wazdakka Gutsmek, Nazdreg, even the reintrodued Zogrod Wortsnagga, all show a different aspect of orks that goes beyond just "I kill things good".
He does say that he can't hold her off for long.
Skaven - 4500
OBR - 4250
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