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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
The new Battlewagon box should've been less expensive than the previous kit and the upgrade sprue togather - afterall, Start Collecting kits and Combat Patrols don't cost MORE than their individual contents, now do they?

Using an example from AoS, I remember that very early on, when repacking both Juggernaut variants and Chaos Knights, they increased the prices of the kits by roughly +10 quids (when international store still used pounds as currency), and literally doubled up the contents of the boxes. Yeah, remember that Bloodcrushers, Skullcrushers, and Chaos Knights BOTH used to came in 3s/3s/5s per box in Fantasy 8th.

They would later on do the same for the original batch of Battleline Sigmarines when they reboxed them from boxes of 5 to 10.

Battlewagon now costs +6 NZ currency more then Orkanauts/Stompa. I don't know why would they do this, outside of 40K being the bread and butter product they sell.

Far as I can tell, every model in the Combat Patrol is push-fit, with the exception of the Deff Dread.

Wait… the new Orks are just easy build without the option to build shoota boys or choppa boys…? They’re stuck how they are besides the boss or heavy weapon guy? Man…. Well that ruined my day.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Far as I can tell, every model in the Combat Patrol is push-fit, with the exception of the Deff Dread.

On the NZ site they have one of the Kopter sprue pics duplicated and don't show the one with the KMB to confirm if that's optional or if it only builds a KMB which is bad.

They still sell the regular Boyz kit, so you can still do proper Orks. You just can't do Ork units out of these Orks because... nope. I got nothing. I can't think of a reason why GW would do that.

 Prometheum5 wrote:
On the NZ site they have one of the Kopter sprue pics duplicated and don't show the one with the KMB to confirm if that's optional or if it only builds a KMB which is bad.

Yeah it's the same on the GWOZ site as well. I have a feeling that will be a mistake repeated the world over by the time pre-orders are up everywhere. Of course, given what we've seen of the kits so far, I'd say there's an even chance the 3rd Deffkopta doesn't get a choice with its weapons.

It's amazing really: Thirteen years after Black Reach and GW finally does a new Deffkopta kit... and they're still push-fit. What is happening in Nottingham?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:
On the NZ site they have one of the Kopter sprue pics duplicated and don't show the one with the KMB to confirm if that's optional or if it only builds a KMB which is bad.

Yeah it's the same on the GWOZ site as well. I have a feeling that will be a mistake repeated the world over by the time pre-orders are up everywhere.

I checked the images individually and even though it's the same sprue pic, they have different file identifiers (the 3 images are ORKCPSprue6, ORKCPSprue7 and ORKCPSprue8). So it's not just an issue of pointing to the wrong file on the website, so yeah, I image the mistake will be repeated across the entire world unless someone notices and uploads the correct image.

OMG look how big it is!!!



Ya damned right I ordered two of 'em!

The Battlewagon is now the same price as the Stompa?!

Madness.

Edit: no, it’s actually $3 more in NZ! I see a huge cost increase for the Stompa in the near future.

Normal companies, when putting two items in a bundle and selling it, would make it cheaper compared to buying the two separately.

But not Games Workshop oh no, in their infinite wisdom they decided to simply make it more expensive than buying them separately, and then remove the separate items.

Can you really classify this as anything more than malicious greed?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Normal companies, when putting two items in a bundle and selling it, would make it cheaper compared to buying the two separately.

But not Games Workshop oh no, in their infinite wisdom they decided to simply make it more expensive than buying them separately, and then remove the separate items.

Can you really classify this as anything more than malicious greed?

Malicious suggests intent to harm, I don't think it's anything beyond passive greed tbh.

Then again their price hikes seem to be less likely than a pointless complaint post from you every page.

E2B koptas are not really an issue. They're vehicles and all vehicles are duplicates. Killa kanz are not E2B but they aren't highly customizable either, except for the shooty weapon maybe. AOBR koptas were also E2B and lots people bought the models they wanted without complaining, even when they become OOP and were only available though second hand market. Adding a few extra bitz or converting the pilots is so easy that buying mutliples of the kopta kits shouldn't prevent hobbysts to make the models look a bit more unique. Just like old plastic koptas.

Current ork buggies are not E2B but most of the players build them as perfect duplicates as well and at that point I'd rather save time if that's the desired final result.

Megaboss being E2B is not an issue either, in fact it might even been a good thing. That's a model with fixed loadout that makes no sense to spam.

E2B concept on boyz is very bad instead, especially if they are kitted with mixed loadouts.

Generally speaking E2B design on models that are supposed to be one single model per army with no options to choose or vehicles is not bad.

 Blackie wrote:
E2B koptas are not really an issue. They're vehicles and all vehicles are duplicates.

Those Orks, well known for their standardisation...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
OMG look how big it is!!!

Spoiler:

Ya damned right I ordered two of 'em!

Wow, that's way bigger than expected. I think I might get one to compliment the new KT terrain and the orkenburg terrain I have.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Blackie wrote:
E2B koptas are not really an issue. They're vehicles and all vehicles are duplicates.

Those Orks, well known for their standardisation...

For some reason this was all I could picture in my head:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Blackie wrote:
E2B koptas are not really an issue. They're vehicles and all vehicles are duplicates.

Those Orks, well known for their standardisation...

True, I despise ork duplicates, to the point that I don't own two official vehicles' models of the same type, pretty much everything is scratch built in my collection .

Converting or customizing ork vehicles is easy, since you can do whatever you want. But it's a fact that all ork vehicles' kits allow to build exact duplicates unless of course kitbashing or converting them. Even those that aren't E2B at all: all buggies, trukk, mek gunz, all flyers, battlewagons, mork/gorkanaut, stompa, kanz. Only the dread has the bitz to assemble two reasonably distinctive models out of the box.

And there's the old Finecast Big Mek with KFF back as part of the new release. I have one in a drawer somewhere, it's a very nice model, maybe I should paint him up.

Nice to see some squig mines popping up. They're part of the base of one of the deff koptas

Ok, just checked international store:

- Stompa and Orkanauts: $125 US bucks.
- Battlewagon rebox: $100 US bucks.

GW hates kiwis confirmed.

Monopose Deffkoptas suck, because you can at least use the old Boyz instead of the new ones, and easily kitbash a Boss in Mega Armour.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Monopose Deffkoptas suck, because you can at least use the old Boyz instead of the new ones, and easily kitbash a Boss in Mega Armour.

Funny enough, the beastboss is cheaper than the AOS Megaboss. I guess GW just assumes people are going to prefer kitbashing their own over the new kit

Beastboss is quite useless rules-wise though so not many is going to bother.

I don't think it's that easy to kitbash the Megaboss though, because he's considerably bigger than the Meganobs. Unless you do the old Daemon Prince conversion thing.

Why would anyone play a Beastboss on foot anyway?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Monopose Deffkoptas suck, because you can at least use the old Boyz instead of the new ones, and easily kitbash a Boss in Mega Armour.

I don't really see a problem with the Deffkopters. They might be monopose, but you get 3 unique sculpts and Ork vehicles are pretty easy to make unique with conversions.

You can kitbash a Boss in Mega Armour, but unless you have insane conversion skills it's not going to look as good as this one.

The boyz are my main issue, I don't like the old ones and so to me this was a massive missed opportunity.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I don't really see a problem with the Deffkopters.

I think it's more that they waited 13 years to do a new Deffkopta kit... and chose to make it a mono-pose push-fit kit rather than a proper kit.

It's a choice that doesn't make sense.

In general, bikers and vehicles have always been "Monopose". Optional weapon options and customization bitzs are cool, but not that common.


One of the only proper customizable biker kits I can think of is the Ravenwing knights one.

Huh.

KFF Big Mek returns.

Shame it’s still no plastic, but better than nowt.

 Oguhmek wrote:
Beastboss is quite useless rules-wise though so not many is going to bother.

I don't think it's that easy to kitbash the Megaboss though, because he's considerably bigger than the Meganobs. Unless you do the old Daemon Prince conversion thing.

A lot of people have the old Thrakka model flying about and attaching a big choppa to it's arm instead of a klaw isn't exactly miracle work.

 Galas wrote:
In general, bikers and vehicles have always been "Monopose". Optional weapon options and customization bitzs are cool, but not that common.

Just eye-balling the two sprues we can see on the Combat Patrol listing (and not having the 8th or 9th Ork 'dex to look at the datasheet), there are definitely things that could've been done...

- Have a common connector between the Kopta and the base detail piece, so that each Kopta could go over each terrain bit
- Have the weapon system be a piece that plugs into the nose, rather than molded on to the body, potentially even allowing you to mix/match the 2 & 3 rokkit sides if you felt like it. with enough parts so all three can have the default weapon, assuming the 2/1 ratio isn't locked in on the datasheet.
- Have the rotors interchangeable (which I think they have done, going by these two, but I want to see the connector for the third to be sure)
- Have the pilot arms be interchangeable (and, ideally, compatible with normal Boyz, etc) - this might be the case, but I'll wait for people to get the kit to be sure.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Galas wrote:
In general, bikers and vehicles have always been "Monopose". Optional weapon options and customization bitzs are cool, but not that common.

- Have the weapon system be a piece that plugs into the nose, rather than molded on to the body, potentially even allowing you to mix/match the 2 & 3 rokkit sides if you felt like it. with enough parts so all three can have the default weapon, assuming the 2/1 ratio isn't locked in on the datasheet.

I can confirm it's not locked on the datasheet, each model has rokkits by default and 1 in 3 can replace it with a kustom mega-blasta and big bomb.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
Beastboss is quite useless rules-wise though so not many is going to bother.

I don't think it's that easy to kitbash the Megaboss though, because he's considerably bigger than the Meganobs. Unless you do the old Daemon Prince conversion thing.

A lot of people have the old Thrakka model flying about and attaching a big choppa to it's arm instead of a klaw isn't exactly miracle work.

And a lot of people don't, and it's not a model they sell any more.

I'm not really sure why we're talking about kitbashing the Mega Armour Boss to overcome monoposeness anyway, it's not like character models have ever been anything other than monopose.