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Andykp wrote:
Ok, so some folk are still going to cry a bit.


1. Got new ORK boyz= didn’t want new ones wanted to keep the old ones.

2. Old boyz not going anywhere= rubbish! Wanted new ones.

But…..”no not those new ones, different new ones!”

Refer to point one again and repeat.


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 NAVARRO wrote:
So do you need to buy a box of old and a box of new to have one unit? Is the new box an upgrade kit?

You get everything you need for a unit in each box so buy either or both.

Older box for more more flexible load outs and all options

Newer box for better models/poses but minimal flexibility.

But yes, let's blame the customers for GW screwing up and releasing a poor product.
You know what could have make (almost) anyone happy?

Making a new ork boys kit that would be as customizable as the old one is

 Kanluwen wrote:



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 herjan1987 wrote:
As much as like their decision, I am pretty mad now. This is the second time that GW screwed me over with this topic. I want to build a Kill Team of Orks with lots of boys, now I bought the second time in the name of "Last chance to buy" the old boys and now they say that its still going to be available. This is screwing over my monthly hobby money pot. I just hope that they dont change the Loota boys box in the foreseeable future.

They never said they were going away. They would have put them under "Last Chance to Buy" if they had been.

Well its GW you never know. They didnt say that old Blood Knights, Skeleton Warriors or Zombies and they did go away. This is an exception in GWs history.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
I see, so basically you have more models options now which is good for a swarm like army.
Not sure why they didn't add an extra sprue with all the weapons load outs on the new kit, something like Necromunda weapons sprues.

Oh well a bit of an odd one but this should keep most satisfied.

Have you looked at the sprues for the new Boyz?

We're not talking about an extra sprue with weapons. We'd be talking about whole bodies in some instances.

No I haven't looked into the sprues, damn I assumed they had detachable arms even if legs and bodies were one... thats not a clever way to do multipart, multiple load outs unit! Wow. No need for that sort of design these days.

Yes it's over all a change in model design which leads to weapons swapping issues. GW seemed to have very little interest in letting players decide what they wish to field as part of their Ork boys mob.
I guess they think that if players want more options them mathematically they can do that by buying more boxes., which is good for them less so for the rest of us. But aside from GW making more money this way I suspect it's more to do with the newer modeling concepts they've been using.

Funny enough I've started to wonder if I could add green stuff and correct the posture of these new Ork bodies to look more ape like, like the OG boys/Orks that apparently lots of people don't like.
I like my aliens to look more alien than human. But alas I doubt I will buy any of the new Boys or new combat patrol any time soon. My WAAAAGH! is already far too large. But I would still love to add 30 or 40 Big-un's if the opportunity presented it self and I didn't have to spend any money...

I mean easy builds, snap fits do have a place in swarm like armies, pox walkers and such but the moment you go there then most just become loadout generic. Prices should reflect that shortcoming too.
Theres something odd about the decision to release this as they are and we will probably never know the details. As it stands just make the best out of it and mix the kits the best you can.

Yes its perfectly natural to expect modern models/kits to have most options covered, smarter sculpts and the old kits to vanish, so this looks like a Patch release for something else.

Its not ideal to have 2 box sets for the same unit, just imagine that happening for all the other armies.

 NAVARRO wrote:
I mean easy builds, snap fits do have a place in swarm like armies, pox walkers and such but the moment you go there then most just become loadout generic. Prices should reflect that shortcoming too.
Theres something odd about the decision to release this as they are and we will probably never know the details. As it stands just make the best out of it and mix the kits the best you can.

Yes its perfectly natural to expect modern models/kits to have most options covered, smarter sculpts and the old kits to vanish, so this looks like a Patch release for something else.

Its not ideal to have 2 box sets for the same unit, just imagine that happening for all the other armies.

I can agree. I think it's worth considering that the limited choices / loadouts is just another symptom of GW's current and ongoing game philosophy, what ever it is.
The base loadout from the box isn't ideal or even optimal it was mentioned by some one that a new Ork player would need 3 combat patrol boxes to get the right ratio of boys for the weapons included.
And knowing how prices go I would agree and encourage that for any new player looking for a pile of nu-boys.

And even this box would be something I could accept easily enough if GW said they have plans for another box of new sculpts in the pipeline and we'd get them in a year or so. Who knows maybe they will with the next new codex. No telling. (Probably not! )

So I have been wondering about the random nature of the combat patrol and some of the models. I can't help but wonder if orks were a candidate for the starter box and what we see here is black reach mk2? Just utilising the assets rather than leaving them as no longer needed.

 warhead01 wrote:


But aside from GW making more money this way I suspect it's more to do with the newer modeling concepts they've been using.

Hummm, like design/modelling not talking with game designers? Well communication or the lack of it is a big problem in most companies so yeah I could see that happening. I wonder if every department even knows what games they are doing the kits for. These projects are done with so much lead time, that alone is probably so confusing. A model designer would know if these Orks are for killteam> 40k > another new boxed game etc...?

Dudeface wrote:
So I have been wondering about the random nature of the combat patrol and some of the models. I can't help but wonder if orks were a candidate for the starter box and what we see here is black reach mk2? Just utilising the assets rather than leaving them as no longer needed.

I don't think they were intended for a starter box, sadly. If they had been? We likely would have seen more of a spread of items in that simplified format across the sprues. If you go and look at the SC: CSM and Combat Patrol: Space Marines? Those two were reputedly intended to be a starter set but just became a battlebox instead.

It might be they intended to have them as a "launch box" item, with 3 sprues rather than 2(which would net you 9 Shootas, 3 Nobs, 3 of either a Big Shoota or Rokkit Launcha, and 15 Choppa+Slugga Boyz to get set up however you chose). Or it's possible that they intended to have Shootas be a "X in Y" upgrade to a unit of Choppas and left that on the cutting room floor.

There's a lot of "what if" going on of late and it's unlikely we'll ever get a definitive explanation as to why.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
So I have been wondering about the random nature of the combat patrol and some of the models. I can't help but wonder if orks were a candidate for the starter box and what we see here is black reach mk2? Just utilising the assets rather than leaving them as no longer needed.

I don't think they were intended for a starter box, sadly. If they had been? We likely would have seen more of a spread of items in that simplified format across the sprues. If you go and look at the SC: CSM and Combat Patrol: Space Marines? Those two were reputedly intended to be a starter set but just became a battlebox instead.

It might be they intended to have them as a "launch box" item, with 3 sprues rather than 2(which would net you 9 Shootas, 3 Nobs, 3 of either a Big Shoota or Rokkit Launcha, and 15 Choppa+Slugga Boyz to get set up however you chose). Or it's possible that they intended to have Shootas be a "X in Y" upgrade to a unit of Choppas and left that on the cutting room floor.

There's a lot of "what if" going on of late and it's unlikely we'll ever get a definitive explanation as to why.

Yeah but CSM got two new kits for the, well, Chaos Space Marines.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
So I have been wondering about the random nature of the combat patrol and some of the models. I can't help but wonder if orks were a candidate for the starter box and what we see here is black reach mk2? Just utilising the assets rather than leaving them as no longer needed.

I don't think they were intended for a starter box, sadly. If they had been? We likely would have seen more of a spread of items in that simplified format across the sprues. If you go and look at the SC: CSM and Combat Patrol: Space Marines? Those two were reputedly intended to be a starter set but just became a battlebox instead.

It might be they intended to have them as a "launch box" item, with 3 sprues rather than 2(which would net you 9 Shootas, 3 Nobs, 3 of either a Big Shoota or Rokkit Launcha, and 15 Choppa+Slugga Boyz to get set up however you chose). Or it's possible that they intended to have Shootas be a "X in Y" upgrade to a unit of Choppas and left that on the cutting room floor.

There's a lot of "what if" going on of late and it's unlikely we'll ever get a definitive explanation as to why.

Oh very much so, it just struck me the monopose troops with the conveniently matching outriders deffkoptas and a warboss who would nicely match a captain appeared as they did. But yeah there's a lot of weird happenings recently and it definitely seems like they're reusing assets or half projects for reduced waste.

Dudeface wrote:
So I have been wondering about the random nature of the combat patrol and some of the models. I can't help but wonder if orks were a candidate for the starter box and what we see here is black reach mk2? Just utilising the assets rather than leaving them as no longer needed.

I think the actual answer is even simpler than this. The Combat Patrol is the spiritual successor to AoBR and was always planned to be.

If you look at the existing plastic Ork range a lot of the core kits are older ones with inefficient use of sprue space and/or tons of options. That makes it harder to put together an efficient starter set for the factions as it becomes tough to physically fit them all into the same box while reaching the target power level for the set. So why not copy AoBR, the set that kickstarted many Ork armies in 5th?
GW made push-fit kits specifically for the new Combat Patrol in a similar vein, also filling some gaps in the range at the same time.

The separate release for this Boyz kit is just because the other kits needed their own releases, and there's no real downside for GW.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 herjan1987 wrote:
As much as like their decision, I am pretty mad now. This is the second time that GW screwed me over with this topic. I want to build a Kill Team of Orks with lots of boys, now I bought the second time in the name of "Last chance to buy" the old boys and now they say that its still going to be available. This is screwing over my monthly hobby money pot. I just hope that they dont change the Loota boys box in the foreseeable future.

They never said they were going away. They would have put them under "Last Chance to Buy" if they had been.

A lot of folks on reddit felt the old box wasn't going away, I guess they were right. I was suspicious that it wouldn't be going away based on it both not going into Last Chance and also being reboxed and not selling out, but if I needed some Boyz I probably would have been stocking up none the less.

Good to know that the proper kit isn't going away. Does make this pic from the same article all the funnier though:



GW: Original is the best.
Also GW: Shows their alternate to the original.

'The original is the best. That's why we're releasing a new one'.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Good to know that the proper kit isn't going away. Does make this pic from the same article all the funnier though:



GW: Original is the best.
Also GW: Shows their alternate to the original.

The actual original plastic ORK boyz. Not the best at all, actually pretty crap, even back then.

Then the plastic “monopose” boyz they replaced them with. Now that really is monopose. None of this is new and but this time we are better off, both kits are miles better than these and the older kit is still available.

Andykp wrote:
Then the plastic “monopose” boyz they replaced them with. Now that really is monopose. None of this is new and but this time we are better off, both kits are miles better than these and the older kit is still available.

I wasn't really into Orks back in the day, but weren't the metals also an option when that plastic set came out? Monopose, but I seem to recall there being something like 50 different poses.

Wasn't a fan of the Ork aesthetic back then, liked some of the whackiness but the models didn't do much for me. Didn't start collecting them until Gorkamorka and the rise of the gorilla aesthetic.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Andykp wrote:
Then the plastic “monopose” boyz they replaced them with. Now that really is monopose. None of this is new and but this time we are better off, both kits are miles better than these and the older kit is still available.

I wasn't really into Orks back in the day, but weren't the metals also an option when that plastic set came out? Monopose, but I seem to recall there being something like 50 different poses.

Wasn't a fan of the Ork aesthetic back then, liked some of the whackiness but the models didn't do much for me. Didn't start collecting them until Gorkamorka and the rise of the gorilla aesthetic.

There were metal ones with plastic arms but you still have multiples of the same model really. The plastic boyz were the affordable way to have an ORK army back then. The metal and plastic boyz looked nothing alike. I spent most of my teenage years replacing my plastic stuff with metal just for third edition to invalidate the vast majority of my army.

The plastic goff boyz from 2nd edition were shocking. All goffs. Two parts, only “posable” bit was the pistol arm that could be attached a slightly different angle of rotation. Other wise all the same pose. Same with the Grots.

Andykp wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Andykp wrote:
Then the plastic “monopose” boyz they replaced them with. Now that really is monopose. None of this is new and but this time we are better off, both kits are miles better than these and the older kit is still available.

I wasn't really into Orks back in the day, but weren't the metals also an option when that plastic set came out? Monopose, but I seem to recall there being something like 50 different poses.

Wasn't a fan of the Ork aesthetic back then, liked some of the whackiness but the models didn't do much for me. Didn't start collecting them until Gorkamorka and the rise of the gorilla aesthetic.

There were metal ones with plastic arms but you still have multiples of the same model really. The plastic boyz were the affordable way to have an ORK army back then. The metal and plastic boyz looked nothing alike. I spent most of my teenage years replacing my plastic stuff with metal just for third edition to invalidate the vast majority of my army.

The plastic goff boyz from 2nd edition were shocking. All goffs. Two parts, only “posable” bit was the pistol arm that could be attached a slightly different angle of rotation. Other wise all the same pose. Same with the Grots.

Maybe the ones I'm thinking of are older than that, I seem to recall several pages in one of the old catalogues dedicated to metal Boyz that did not have plastic arms, they were all metal and there were many different poses.

Andykp wrote:
Ok, so some folk are still going to cry a bit.


1. Got new ORK boyz= didn’t want new ones wanted to keep the old ones.

2. Old boyz not going anywhere= rubbish! Wanted new ones.

But…..”no not those new ones, different new ones!”

Refer to point one again and repeat.

I am happy . But not for me, as I already have too many ork boyz and wouldn't buy the new ones or more older ones anyway. I'm glad people who want their army to be customizable and very open to easy kitbashing can still look at orks as an interesting project to start. I also think that older boyz, along with the entire ork infantry models' line, still look amazing, and actually much better than most of the other factions' models including some that have been recently updated, like deathguard, necrons or SM.

Yeah, I'm happy as well with this solution.
New ork players can now use the combat patrol as a new and improved AOBR to get off the ground just like many other ork players did, and then use the old kit to expand the monopose boyz into some proper units.

I think this is the best solution short of coming up with a new boyz box that was a proper update and not what they did instead. Good on them for pivoting, at least.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


Maybe the ones I'm thinking of are older than that, I seem to recall several pages in one of the old catalogues dedicated to metal Boyz that did not have plastic arms, they were all metal and there were many different poses.

There were dozens of orks in the Rogue Trader era. The idea that metal models meant a limited range wasn't true in those days. Even if many models were based on the same armatures there was still huge variety in the models available. Click "next" and have a browse.
http://www.solegends.com/citcat1991a/cat1991ap062orkbosses-02.htm

angryboy2k wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


Maybe the ones I'm thinking of are older than that, I seem to recall several pages in one of the old catalogues dedicated to metal Boyz that did not have plastic arms, they were all metal and there were many different poses.

There were dozens of orks in the Rogue Trader era. The idea that metal models meant a limited range wasn't true in those days. Even if many models were based on the same armatures there was still huge variety in the models available. Click "next" and have a browse.
http://www.solegends.com/citcat1991a/cat1991ap062orkbosses-02.htm

I miss metal models so much. Besides plastic designs are going monopose so yeah even less reasons to have plastic.

 Ouze wrote:
Good on them for pivoting, at least.

GW put resources into designing and printing a new 9E-style box & assembly instructions for the old kit, that's not really a company tends to waste resources on for old products with a limited shelf life. I'm pretty sure it was always the plan to sell both kits.

They should have communicated the whole thing better though, would have saved a lot of online drama.

"Metals were monopose"

"Yes they were. Here are 84 different monopose metal models for your TROOPS. In an edition where having 30 troops in the board would be quite a lot. And that's only the second wave of metal Orks."

The metal era of GW was great, but extremely difficult to collect actual hordes. And not easy to convert. The extremely monopose plastics were a godsend (Though I was in the WFB section of Orcy armies at the time)

Monopose plastics are never going to have that level of variety. The manufacturing process just doesn't work for it.

Ten Internet Dollars (real value £0) says that within a decade, GW invests in a bunch of high end resin printers and starts doing monopose 3d printed models. Not selling the STLs - just printing the models and selling as they did for metal. If they want to be really clever with their supply chain, they'll install one in each GW store. Place your order and go in and pick up a few days later. Inspect in the store, if the print isn't up to quality they print you another for free (much as their customer service used to be excellent for miscasts)

Anyway. New Boyz. Look alright. Not how I would do it, but as I've said before - don't they have to keep the old sprue in production for the specialists like Lootas and Burnas that are based on it?

They’ve confirmed the old box is staying too.

 xttz wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Good on them for pivoting, at least.

GW put resources into designing and printing a new 9E-style box & assembly instructions for the old kit, that's not really a company tends to waste resources on for old products with a limited shelf life. I'm pretty sure it was always the plan to sell both kits.

They should have communicated the whole thing better though, would have saved a lot of online drama.

Yeah, I don't think they "pivoted" so much as that was always their plan and they just never communicated it to us until now due to the backlash.

Does the why really matter?

Old and new both for sale, everyone wins.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Does the why really matter?

Old and new both for sale, everyone wins.

Does anything really matter? This is a 67 page thread with probably less than 2 pages worth of actual things that matter