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Guys, I'm really close to cracking the code. I know what they're going to reveal tomorrow.

During the Boxed Game reveals, they showed off the "Plastic Thunderhawk", granted it was in smaller scale.

What else comes to mind when you think "plastic thunderhawk?"

YES! YOU'RE RIGHT!! LION EL'JOHNSON!!!

Tomorrow we're either going to see Epic (probably set in 30k) so you can stick a primarch on top of the new plastic thunderhawk... OR it'll be Lion El'Johnson for 40k!!!

 Crimson wrote:

 BertBert wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:
Anyone else bummed that when they redid the Ghosts they seem to have 'forgotten' the female Ghosts?

Apparently the miniatures are from a very early stage in the series where there were no named female members yet. The medic and the piper boy from their previous iteration are not included either.

Well, they could have chosen a later stage of the series.

Or maybe they have more planned for later, but thought that the beginning was a very good place to start...

I gotta say (and this is a weird feeling for someone as negative as me) that I am pretty darn happy with today's reveals (speaking as an ENTIRELY ork player).

They revealed a mega-armor warboss, which was a welcome addition to the model range. That also, to me, strongly signified that they are NOT abandoning the old scrap/ramshackle ork vibe for Beast Snaggas, but actually just adding a new option to the line. It looks a LOT like some third party miniature Warboss models, which is also a positive development to me, because it signals (to me) that they are not jettisoning the old look because people are reproducing it (ala Primaris), but are taking the good ideas when they see them (akin to them hiring animators who did their own pet projects).

They brought back Zogrod Wortsnagga! Not only am I happy to see such a classic ork revisited, it gives me hope that other, fan-favorite models like Ol' Zogwort, or (dare I say it), Wazdakka Gutsmek, may again see the light of day. Also, the return of the pre-eminent grot herder may be a good sign for those players who long to field a grot army--who else could organize the little blighters into a capable fighting force?

The Beastsnagga boys are (as I sadly feared) obviously monopose, which was predictable and perhaps inevitable. However, they are pretty darn cool models, and the fact that they are chonky bois and fairly distinctive means that there is less impetus for them to compose the 'new boyz horde'. Instead, 10-20 of them seems like an acceptable amount, rather than expecting players to field multiple horde units of them.

This works particularly well for me, as it lets the Beast Snaggas fit nicely into existing ork fluff. For me, for example, I had a small Snakebite army, but I didn't really have a good option for nobs, or any elite sorts of Snakebites. I did, however, have two squiggoths and one gargantuan squiggoth. It seemed weird to have regular boys in the big squig, and a unit of nobs riding in a small one. Now, however, I can use the Snagga boys as the equivalent of Skarboyz (without spending CP), and have one unit of 20, riding in the big squiggoth, 2 units of boyz (from Fantasy orcs) riding in the smaller squiggoths, and use the mounted Snaggas as nobs (akin to the Snakebite equivalent of Biker Nobs) and a Warboss on the squig. I can use the models to reinforce the existing background of the orks, rather than having their existence complicate the whole thing (like the Primaris marines seemed to do).

Finally, the mere existence of a Cadian upgrade sprue gives me hope that, hey, GW could do an upgrade sprue for orks, allowing them to keep churning out the old boyz sprue, but giving us bits for Kommandos and Tankbustas on a sprue!

Sure, I may have been happier with some plastic tankbustas, kommandos, and a deffkopta, but I like all of this stuff, and it seems (maybe even intentionally) designed not to give you the 'Primaris' "you guys are getting replaced" vibe.

And they mentioned Gorkers and Morkers--is this a sign of Gorkamorka (or are GW just yanking the janglies of all the neckbeards who still remember the game)?

 BaronIveagh wrote:
Anyone else bummed that when they redid the Ghosts they seem to have 'forgotten' the female Ghosts?

The female Ghosts don't join until after the third book.

The bigger crime is using the starter cast and forgetting Milo.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:
Anyone else bummed that when they redid the Ghosts they seem to have 'forgotten' the female Ghosts?

The female Ghosts don't join until after the third book.

The bigger crime is using the starter cast and forgetting Milo.

Yeah, but in the old Ghosts box you'd get a few females too. And Milo.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:
Anyone else bummed that when they redid the Ghosts they seem to have 'forgotten' the female Ghosts?

The female Ghosts don't join until after the third book.

The bigger crime is using the starter cast and forgetting Milo.

I want a 2 pack with Milo and Sabatine. Usable in either a guard or sisters army.

I love the beast snaggas! I can't wait for that army box and build those squig riders!

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:
Anyone else bummed that when they redid the Ghosts they seem to have 'forgotten' the female Ghosts?

The female Ghosts don't join until after the third book.

The bigger crime is using the starter cast and forgetting Milo.

I want a 2 pack with Milo and Sabatine. Usable in either a guard or sisters army.

But Sabatine isn't tied to the Sisters, it wouldn't make sense fluffwise.

Man, just wanna say how stoked I am that GW finally started to come good on the promises of the "You Will Not Be Missed" post. Some actual tasteful racially diverse human sculpts are really nice. I dearly hope that they make these nice and cheap, so kids can get them when they start out.

It's a little rare coming from me, and tbh, I absolutely feel the frustration from guard players that this is the first infantry release since I've been in the hobby, but it's really refreshing to see a bit of diversity, gender- and racially-speaking, esp. when in the past GW's representation has been largely 'paint heads with white ethnotypical features some shade of brown and call it a day'.

Good job, GW, hope to see more of it going forward, across a few more ranges. (also pls GW remember there are more races than just White and Black kthnksbye)

 insaniak wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 BertBert wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:
Anyone else bummed that when they redid the Ghosts they seem to have 'forgotten' the female Ghosts?

Apparently the miniatures are from a very early stage in the series where there were no named female members yet. The medic and the piper boy from their previous iteration are not included either.

Well, they could have chosen a later stage of the series.

Or maybe they have more planned for later, but thought that the beginning was a very good place to start...

Most likely its just a tie-in to the new book (which is set in the past) and this is the start AND end.

 posermcbogus wrote:
Man, just wanna say how stoked I am that GW finally started to come good on the promises of the "You Will Not Be Missed" post. Some actual tasteful racially diverse human sculpts are really nice. I dearly hope that they make these nice and cheap, so kids can get them when they start out.

It's a little rare coming from me, and tbh, I absolutely feel the frustration from guard players that this is the first infantry release since I've been in the hobby, but it's really refreshing to see a bit of diversity, gender- and racially-speaking, esp. when in the past GW's representation has been largely 'paint heads with white ethnotypical features some shade of brown and call it a day'.

Good job, GW, hope to see more of it going forward, across a few more ranges. (also pls GW remember there are more races than just White and Black kthnksbye)

Expect the current Cadian Shock Troops to go the way of the dodo and be reboxed with this new sprue (all the old sprues will still be there with all the current parts, just with an extra sprue added)

And also expect the price to go from 36 USD to 60 USD for 10 guardsmen.

I mean, yeah, but still. It's nice to at least pretend that GW might make inclusivity a bit more, dare I say...

...inclusive?


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Also I know like it's probably unlikely, but I hope to Gork & Mork that the megaboss has options.

 posermcbogus wrote:
I mean, yeah, but still. It's nice to at least pretend that GW might make inclusivity a bit more, dare I say...

...inclusive?


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Also I know like it's probably unlikely, but I hope to Gork & Mork that the megaboss has options.

Of course the mega boss has options. He can smash a primary fluent with his weapon, with his boot, or headbutt them to death.

I think yesterday's show was pretty good. Sure they didn't show a huge amount of stuff but we have a pretty good idea what the next 5 codexes will be. We also found out that the new Ork releases will not just be beast snaggas.

We've seen 6 new kits so far. There look to be 2 more beast snagga kits to go: the warboss and the vehicle. That leaves about 4 kits to go. (If we take Eddie at his word) There is a pretty good chance that some of the old resin units will get a new plastic version.


This looks like it will be the release Ork players were hoping for last time.

The imperial guard upgrade kit is good but my hope is that frees up gw to have a new regiment as their imperial guard focus for the next codex.

As for tomorrow, it will be AoS3. Look at the banner icons. There's one that hasn't referred to anything yet.

 posermcbogus wrote:
I mean, yeah, but still. It's nice to at least pretend that GW might make inclusivity a bit more, dare I say...

...inclusive?

If the price goes up with the inclusion of the sprue, I'm going to call it a net negative. The base models are well overdue for an update, they come from a time when GW's model proportions were at their worst, so to make them even more expensive certainly isn't a good thing.

Then, secondly, I don't see great appeal to attaching a female-ish head to a distinctly over exaggerated male physique.

Then, thirdly, personally, I only have unhelmeted Cadians for officers. The rank and file in my IG army always keep their helmets on and that's the way I like it. I think Guardsmen work best when they're a horde of uniformity.

I think a better attempt at inclusivity was the Slaves to Darkness kits.

 posermcbogus wrote:
I mean, yeah, but still. It's nice to at least pretend that GW might make inclusivity a bit more, dare I say...

...inclusive?

Is it really inclusive if it prices people out of the army?

GW is very much of the "diversity means we're happy to take anybody's money, as long as they can pay our premium prices" school of thought.

Chikout wrote:
I think yesterday's show was pretty good. Sure they didn't show a huge amount of stuff but we have a pretty good idea what the next 5 codexes will be. We also found out that the new Ork releases will not just be beast snaggas.

We've seen 6 new kits so far. There look to be 2 more beast snagga kits to go: the warboss and the vehicle. That leaves about 4 kits to go. (If we take Eddie at his word) There is a pretty good chance that some of the old resin units will get a new plastic version.


This looks like it will be the release Ork players were hoping for last time.

The imperial guard upgrade kit is good but my hope is that frees up gw to have a new regiment as their imperial guard focus for the next codex.

As for tomorrow, it will be AoS3. Look at the banner icons. There's one that hasn't referred to anything yet.

What did they actually say I the show with regards to how many new kits Orks are getting?

drbored wrote:


And also expect the price to go from 36 USD to 60 USD for 10 guardsmen.

Yep, this is guaranteed. They were already too expensive at this point for the quality of the sculpts and their tabletop performance (needing vast numbers to be at all effective)

Come one peep, it'll be 55USD and everyone rejoiced.

 dan2026 wrote:

Chikout wrote:
I think yesterday's show was pretty good. Sure they didn't show a huge amount of stuff but we have a pretty good idea what the next 5 codexes will be. We also found out that the new Ork releases will not just be beast snaggas.

We've seen 6 new kits so far. There look to be 2 more beast snagga kits to go: the warboss and the vehicle. That leaves about 4 kits to go. (If we take Eddie at his word) There is a pretty good chance that some of the old resin units will get a new plastic version.


This looks like it will be the release Ork players were hoping for last time.

The imperial guard upgrade kit is good but my hope is that frees up gw to have a new regiment as their imperial guard focus for the next codex.

As for tomorrow, it will be AoS3. Look at the banner icons. There's one that hasn't referred to anything yet.

What did they actually say I the show with regards to how many new kits Orks are getting?

They did say that this was the first half of the Ork models to be released, but that could mean a lot or it could mean nothing. Personally I want to lean towards it meaning little (New MA Warboss they teased, new Meganobz, the Chariot, the Beast Snagga Boss, and maybe new Grots since Zodgrod is here). That would be 4-5 models and would be enough to constitute a second half of a release.

Looking at it in the most optimistic, unlikely, and wish-listing light possible, and assuming everything in the initial teaser was a hint here is what is possible;

1. Grots - Grots shown with newer looking blastas and carrying grenades (which grots normally can't use, except for the Red Gobbo)
2. Boyz - Boyz shown in the trailer with some new gear. One has a double barrel kustom-shoota, one has a shoulder-mounted KMB, and another has a shoulder-mounted Big Shoota. No Ork models for sale have Kustom Shootas except the MANZ. Maybe this is a hint of a Boyz Upgrade Sprue, like what Guard is getting.
3. Meganobz - Initial Teaser has meganobz that look a lot different from our current ones. Less box with legs, more suit of armor like the MA boss they showed today. It wields a Choppa (which MANZ can't take) and it's Kustom Shoota is held in the hand like a pistol instead of replacing the hand.
4. Trukk - The trukk looks pretty different from the current one and the narrator says "new trukk." Personally I am skeptical, but who knows.
5. Big Mek with KFF - No appearance in the trailer, but it's extremely odd that War of the Beast gave us it's datasheet back. GW never ever posts rules without models to sell anymore, why would they do it for the KFF Big Mek? Maybe one of the rules designers is secretly an Ork player and has a soft spot for them.

This is just conjecture for fun, and I don't expect most of these things to appear.

No One Important wrote:

 posermcbogus wrote:
I mean, yeah, but still. It's nice to at least pretend that GW might make inclusivity a bit more, dare I say...

...inclusive?

Is it really inclusive if it prices people out of the army?

This, the inevitable price increase will not improve the Situation.
Nvm legal drinking age mainbody still there...

So the new boyz are super cool but painfully obviously repeated sculpts, as expected; I’m still definitely getting that box if I can, because I want everything in it. I have enough boyz bits to add some individuality for quite a while if the full release doesn’t add some more options. The mega-armour boss is awesome, everything he should be.

Cadian upgrade sprue was a surprise, but I’m guessing it’s a interim solution until they can reboot the entire guard range, which I assume will not be Cadian style when they get there. It gives them some fresh new options and allows GW to retire the last metal kits (plasma gunners and snipers). Given that the GSC box is £25 vs £22.50 for Cadians, I would assume a similar price here (maybe £27ish at most).

Anyone thinking that the Grey Knight vs Thousand Sons box is going to be anything but a re-box of existing sprues with two new characters is having a laugh. Will be nice to have a new Crowe model, I never particularly liked the old one.

Hmm, so does this imply that we are going to get Thousand Sons and Grey Knights after Admech, Orcs and Sisters of Battle ?

The new 40k orruks are not my cuppa at all: as models they're decent enough, but obviously monopose and and with much more human proportions than I like (I do like the "not HZD-like armor" bits, though).

The squig riders look horrendous to me, and the megaboss is nice (about damn time already)

The Cadian sprue is such a weird idea, at this time... I'm kinda baffled. I have more than enough Cadians already, and these are nowhere near enough to make me buy more, or even just the bits.


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 Jadenim wrote:
Cadian upgrade sprue was a surprise, but I’m guessing it’s a interim solution until they can reboot the entire guard range, which I assume will not be Cadian style when they get there. It gives them some fresh new options and allows GW to retire the last metal kits (plasma gunners and snipers). Given that the GSC box is £25 vs £22.50 for Cadians, I would assume a similar price here (maybe £27ish at most).

The command sprue already had those, though.

Anything about when that box/ork codex is going to be available?

So, plastic cadian sprue is interesting. I hope it means more guard on the way at some point. I like a lot of the heads. I probably won't like how much it costs. Hopefully the cadian kits will finally be retired in favour of something better. I still think they should create a whole new regiment as a new cadia.

The new Orks look great, I quite like that direction they went in by looking through and revamping some old 2nd edition stuff.

Bit disappointed in it being GK vs TS. If they wanted a pysker war they should have gone for GK against Eldar instead and finally release some new kits.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:
Anyone else bummed that when they redid the Ghosts they seem to have 'forgotten' the female Ghosts?

The female Ghosts don't join until after the third book.

The bigger crime is using the starter cast and forgetting Milo.

Yeah, but in the old Ghosts box you'd get a few females too. And Milo.

This one's based on time no female was in regiment yet though. Sorry but if you want to stay true to books you can't have females on box based on pre-vervunhive war.

This is intended for fans of book　series and they care about it being accurate to books.

Of course gw could have done sculpts based on post-vervunhive. Then they would have had to tell author write story set in other timeframe as well...

It might just be AOS but we have seen some Duel Battle Boxes with either a couple of new units, some resculpted units, or even entire new factions (thinking of Ossiarch Bonereapers for example).

So I don't think it is too much of a stretch to see GK given similar treatment in this box.

GK sculpts were good in their day but on my painting desk right now I'm working on a primaris marine and a current GK. It looks like bring your kid to work day.

 Albertorius wrote:

The command sprue already had those, though.

You don't think buying command　box for every squad is...excessive? And likely more expensive than this.


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 Souleater wrote:
It might just be AOS but we have seen some Duel Battle Boxes with either a couple of new units, some resculpted units, or even entire new factions (thinking of Ossiarch Bonereapers for example).

So I don't think it is too much of a stretch to see GK given similar treatment in this box.

GK sculpts were good in their day but on my painting desk right now I'm working on a primaris marine and a current GK. It looks like bring your kid to work day.

Well if gw wants gk stay true scale they can't make them primaris sized. Gk are　7 feet. Primaris 8