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Not really, if GW say that GK primaris are just as tall as regular primaris marines then they are.

I also have Custodes who in the novels are taller than primaris (although not by much) yet their standard troops are fractionally shorter than my primaris guys.

At 0:51 in the Beastsnagga video, is that grot on the hogg with wheel instead of hindlegs holding a gun with a squig tied to it? Maybe as a rifle grenade? Oh my.

I've wanted to do some Mad Max Ork Speedfreak outriders for a more militaristic Death Skullz clan for a couple of years now, but was aways to lazy do get a lot of shirtless boyz done. This could be it. And if they have infantry with rocket spears, even better, otherwise I'll make some stikkbomb-onna-stikk boyz as Kamikaze tankbustas as I was thinking about.

Honestly im hoping for 10mm Horus Heresy. All the Aeronautica space marine craft shown is 30k era vehicles, all the titans and knights already exist, making some infantry and tanks would be easy. Im really thinking I might sell out of my Horus Heresy stuff if they release 10mm alternatives.

As an Ork/chaos player I'm absolutely buzzing with this release. Will be hovering on the pre order button.

I absolutely love the mega armoured Warboss and the painboss as well as all the stuff in the box, happy player here.

tneva82 wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

The command sprue already had those, though.

You don't think buying command　box for every squad is...excessive? And likely more expensive than this.

Not really?

The sprue was sold as a "Command HQ", but the useability of the parts was much wider. You had a flamer and a GL plus sergeant parts and bits to make five regular IGs if you wanted (much like the regular box in that regard), plus parts to make officers, medics and banner bearers for the HQ... but also a whole lot more, plus heavy flamer, fusion gun, plasma gun and sniper rifle...

All in all, it was very much worth it to buy multiple boxes or hunt down bits... and people has had what, a decade, to do that already?

The original price was quite better, though.

Simply put, is this:



versus this:



And had this new sprue been released 15 year ago, I'd been over the moon, as they would have worked really well with the other cadian sprues, don't get me wrong!

It's just that by today standards, and given that (other than the cosmetic options, meaning the heads, which are cool) there's a sprue that's been sold for a decade that already has everything in this one, well... in not exactly overwhelmed by it.

I could buy the sprue to make a Kill Team, but not much else, nowadays. And that's because I still have unassembled cadians.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Honestly im hoping for 10mm Horus Heresy. All the Aeronautica space marine craft shown is 30k era vehicles, all the titans and knights already exist, making some infantry and tanks would be easy. Im really thinking I might sell out of my Horus Heresy stuff if they release 10mm alternatives.

Why would you want 10 mm versions when the already compatible AI and AT models are scaled for heroic 6 mm proportions ?

 Sherrypie wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Honestly im hoping for 10mm Horus Heresy. All the Aeronautica space marine craft shown is 30k era vehicles, all the titans and knights already exist, making some infantry and tanks would be easy. Im really thinking I might sell out of my Horus Heresy stuff if they release 10mm alternatives.

Why would you want 10 mm versions when the already compatible AI and AT models are scaled for heroic 6 mm proportions ?

Yeah, I can attest to that. 10mm would make no sense at all, now.

 Souleater wrote:
Not really, if GW say that GK primaris are just as tall as regular primaris marines then they are.

I also have Custodes who in the novels are taller than primaris (although not by much) yet their standard troops are fractionally shorter than my primaris guys.

Not an important fact, but when comparing the scale of custodian guard vs intercessors for example you have to take into account the pose. Most custodians have a rather wide stance, which makes them appear shorter in some cases than primaris. They are the same scale really. Only auilon terminators and trajann are noticeably taller than standard primaris.

 Sherrypie wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Honestly im hoping for 10mm Horus Heresy. All the Aeronautica space marine craft shown is 30k era vehicles, all the titans and knights already exist, making some infantry and tanks would be easy. Im really thinking I might sell out of my Horus Heresy stuff if they release 10mm alternatives.

Why would you want 10 mm versions when the already compatible AI and AT models are scaled for heroic 6 mm proportions ?

This sounds like a very great thread to resurrect the endless AT scale debate!
To go back to the original quote, an AT/AI scale Horus Heresy game ("official Epic 30k") would be absolutely awesome (and completely murder my wallet). If they do that, I hope that would be a dedicated game (which could use the AT&AI minis), and not just bolting some Tank and Infantry rules onto the rules of Adeptus Titanicus.

Imagine walking into a store for the first time and seeing the Cadians next to the Primaris. Assuming this potential customer doesn't walk out the door immediately because of the price, what models are they more likely to buy?

I was in highschool when the Cadian kit was released, I think it had a recut in that time too. Even then, people were complaining about the scale.

Revealing those new Gaunts Ghost models, and then revealing the Cadians, is one of the greatest troll jobs GW has pulled since nuking WHFB.

O'well, back to whining about too many Space Marine players

 posermcbogus wrote:
Man, just wanna say how stoked I am that GW finally started to come good on the promises of the "You Will Not Be Missed" post. Some actual tasteful racially diverse human sculpts are really nice. I dearly hope that they make these nice and cheap, so kids can get them when they start out.

It's a little rare coming from me, and tbh, I absolutely feel the frustration from guard players that this is the first infantry release since I've been in the hobby, but it's really refreshing to see a bit of diversity, gender- and racially-speaking, esp. when in the past GW's representation has been largely 'paint heads with white ethnotypical features some shade of brown and call it a day'.

Good job, GW, hope to see more of it going forward, across a few more ranges. (also pls GW remember there are more races than just White and Black kthnksbye)

Yes definitely. Stunning and brave!

The Cadian upgrade is great, exept for the fact its just more Cadians, more of the same.
GWs AM releases are infuriating. Catachan commanders, two named ratlings and a not full squad of Tanith. Seriously

Yet, it sure beats having to get 3 command boxes to build a veteran squad with meltas.
I mean, in case third party bits mongers didnt exist.

Well i thought they were 10mm. Since nobody seems to know for sure, who cares I guess? Im hoping for "small heresy bois"

I love how in the absence of any actual information people have latched on to 10mm Horus Heresy that someone literally made up 3 pages ago

 Jadenim wrote:
So the new boyz are super cool but painfully obviously repeated sculpts, as expected...

I'm sure a lot of people were expecting that, but I was really hoping for at least some interchangeability with arms / heads / weapons which would have helped hide the repeated bodies.

I was pretty surprised to see the display image models seem to match a single body to a single head to a single arm to a single weapon, I'll be curious to see the sprue, or if like other people suggested maybe it's a pushfit easy to build set.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:
So the new boyz are super cool but painfully obviously repeated sculpts, as expected...

I'm sure a lot of people were expecting that, but I was really hoping for at least some interchangeability with arms / heads / weapons which would have helped hide the repeated bodies.

I was pretty surprised to see the display image models seem to match a single body to a single head to a single arm to a single weapon, I'll be curious to see the sprue, or if like other people suggested maybe it's a pushfit easy to build set.

Why surprised? Common gw style these days.

Alternative would have been have just 10 boys in box. Think i take more models　still

 BertBert wrote:
One more thing that comes to mind: Would GW be able to "claim" Creative Assembly's 3D sculpts and re-use them in a lower resolution?
Not sure how their contract is set up, but as the copyright holder I'd imagine they have some leverage there to at least iterate on them.

i've seen 3D prints of Total War assets, so I assume GW would be able to do so just as well as Ivan in his shed at least.

Chatting at the pub last night. My friend is near certain the release is going to be Mordheim. I'm the complete opposite, I suspect if they do release a boxed game today it's more likely to be BFG, or, and this is a bit of a stretch, an announcement about The Old World game they mentioned a few years ago.

I'm liking the new Cadian stuff, but honestly the amount of bitching on Facebook groups is a bit ridiculous, people complaining about the proportions, or that they haven't done enough, or that it took too long for them to do it. I'm not the biggest GW fan, but seems in some cases it's damned if you do, damned if you don't.

tneva82 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:
So the new boyz are super cool but painfully obviously repeated sculpts, as expected...

I'm sure a lot of people were expecting that, but I was really hoping for at least some interchangeability with arms / heads / weapons which would have helped hide the repeated bodies.

I was pretty surprised to see the display image models seem to match a single body to a single head to a single arm to a single weapon, I'll be curious to see the sprue, or if like other people suggested maybe it's a pushfit easy to build set.

Why surprised? Common gw style these days.

Alternative would have been have just 10 boys in box. Think i take more models　still

Surprised because it wouldn't have been a difficult thing to do, they've done similar in the past (Savage Orcs come to mind first) and it's more important for Orks to not look terribly same-ish even than most other armies. Even if the arms weren't interchangeable, not even having head interchangeability is surprising.

I imagine there will be 10 boyz in a box, what we've seen is an army set that includes Zodgrog and the Squig riders. Given they have 10 unique Boyz which are paired to the heads / weapons, I imagine they'll be sold as 10 man kits also. In an ideal world they would have had a bit of interchangeability and been boxed as 20 man kits, but a doubt that from what we've seen so far.


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 Valkyrie wrote:
I'm liking the new Cadian stuff, but honestly the amount of bitching on Facebook groups is a bit ridiculous, people complaining about the proportions, or that they haven't done enough, or that it took too long for them to do it. I'm not the biggest GW fan, but seems in some cases it's damned if you do, damned if you don't.

You can't do a token gesture like a few heads and then claim "damned if you do, damned if you don't.". Most long term guard players are already aware of many many options for 3rd party Guardsmen heads, Victoria miniatures have a whole range of not-Cadian females and female bits.

The Cadian kit is old and tired, don't expect wonderful compliments when an upgrade sprue is released for it.

 Valkyrie wrote:
Chatting at the pub last night. My friend is near certain the release is going to be Mordheim. I'm the complete opposite, I suspect if they do release a boxed game today it's more likely to be BFG, or, and this is a bit of a stretch, an announcement about The Old World game they mentioned a few years ago.

I'm liking the new Cadian stuff, but honestly the amount of bitching on Facebook groups is a bit ridiculous, people complaining about the proportions, or that they haven't done enough, or that it took too long for them to do it. I'm not the biggest GW fan, but seems in some cases it's damned if you do, damned if you don't.

When thinking of a potential guard update, the last thing on anyone's mind was the current (18 year old) Cadian troop box getting a head upgrade sprue.

If they left it at Gaunt's Ghosts, everyone would have been hyped for potential new sculpts in the future. I think the reaction is completely justified.

If The Old World is a secret plot to revive Warmaster I’m sold. Fantastic game that sadly died the slow death of zero marketing and barely any support.

I wouldn’t even mind if they up and recycled the War of the Ring rules either.

IHateAoS wrote:

 Valkyrie wrote:
Chatting at the pub last night. My friend is near certain the release is going to be Mordheim. I'm the complete opposite, I suspect if they do release a boxed game today it's more likely to be BFG, or, and this is a bit of a stretch, an announcement about The Old World game they mentioned a few years ago.

I'm liking the new Cadian stuff, but honestly the amount of bitching on Facebook groups is a bit ridiculous, people complaining about the proportions, or that they haven't done enough, or that it took too long for them to do it. I'm not the biggest GW fan, but seems in some cases it's damned if you do, damned if you don't.

When thinking of a potential guard update, the last thing on anyone's mind was the current (18 year old) Cadian troop box getting a head upgrade sprue.

If they left it at Gaunt's Ghosts, everyone would have been hyped for potential new sculpts in the future. I think the reaction is completely justified.

I think the most dissapointing aspect of this upgrade sprue, is a confirmation the ancient-arse Cadian kit won't get updated for the forseeable like, 10 years

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Well i thought they were 10mm. Since nobody seems to know for sure, who cares I guess? Im hoping for "small heresy bois"

But we know for sure and have known since 2018. AT scale was chosen so that small marines would look nice and the designers ended up at about 8 mm MARINES, who being 7-8' tall transhuman monsters in fiction, means the normal 6' scale human would be about 6-7 mm with gear. With heroic proportions, of course, thus "heroic 6 mm". All talk of 8 mm or 10 mm scales has been nothing but hogwash from the very beginning, aided by GW's less than stellar media team's fumblings.

Without dragging the off-topic further, I wouldn't mind some hard GW plastics for Epic infantry either

I'm in no hurry for Epic given the pricing and size/ high detail of Aeronautica cause we're looking at 2 or 3 Rhinos per sprue for 20€, not half a company like it used to be.

 Sherrypie wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Well i thought they were 10mm. Since nobody seems to know for sure, who cares I guess? Im hoping for "small heresy bois"

But we know for sure and have known since 2018. AT scale was chosen so that small marines would look nice and the designers ended up at about 8 mm MARINES, who being 7-8' tall transhuman monsters in fiction, means the normal 6' scale human would be about 6-7 mm with gear. With heroic proportions, of course, thus "heroic 6 mm". All talk of 8 mm or 10 mm scales has been nothing but hogwash from the very beginning, aided by GW's less than stellar media team's fumblings.

Without dragging the off-topic further, I wouldn't mind some hard GW plastics for Epic infantry either

Why oh why did you have to make this post AI stuff is closer to 8mm. You can look up the fluff sizes for the aircraft, measure the AI aircraft, see what scale they are, and you will find they match 8mm scale. The original AI was 6mm scale, the original Epic was completely whacko scale with some things being as small as 3mm scale and others being as big as 7mm scale.

I don't know about AT, I don't own any AT to check it.

But in many ways there's little point talking about things like "8mm marines" or "normal 6' scale humans would be about 6-7mm", because none of those things exist at the AI/AT scale to make a comparison. In 40k, a human is the same size as a Space Marine anyway (these days it seems like the humans are getting even bigger ). The only non-vehicle thing we have are the Grot gunners on some weapons, and they are 5.5mm tall/long in a seated position, but ya know, they're grots, they aren't exactly a good reference bar.

What if the Cadian sprue was just a quick response to add some diversity to the range?

I fully expect that the Catachan resculpts will be released this year, and add more females and ethnotypes.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm in no hurry for Epic given the pricing and size/ high detail of Aeronautica cause we're looking at 2 or 3 Rhinos per sprue for 20€, not half a company like it used to be.

Who knows what we'd get with GW pricing. I'd hope that if Epic ever comes around they'll price it according to how many of a unit you are likely to need. In AI you rarely want more than 4 to 6 fighters, so they're boxed up as units of 4 to 6. But in Epic where you're going to need 10's of tanks to make a decent sized force, hopefully they're boxed and priced appropriately.

I’m still expecting a plastic Heresy thing. Simply because Forgeworld has been curiously absent this week.

 Sherrypie wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Well i thought they were 10mm. Since nobody seems to know for sure, who cares I guess? Im hoping for "small heresy bois"

But we know for sure and have known since 2018. AT scale was chosen so that small marines would look nice and the designers ended up at about 8 mm MARINES, who being 7-8' tall transhuman monsters in fiction, means the normal 6' scale human would be about 6-7 mm with gear. With heroic proportions, of course, thus "heroic 6 mm". All talk of 8 mm or 10 mm scales has been nothing but hogwash from the very beginning, aided by GW's less than stellar media team's fumblings.

Without dragging the off-topic further, I wouldn't mind some hard GW plastics for Epic infantry either

The official scale of AT is 25% of the 40k version - that's all. The issue is that GW has never even tried to do an official 'scale' in 40k. That depends entirely on the era it was designed.

A 2E era Firstborn marine or skitarii given the AT treatment would be around 7mm tall. 6E/7E era Firstborn models would be ~8mm. Primaris marines would be 9mm.

I do think that Horus Heresy would be a interesting way to continue 'Epic' scale stuff. Both sides can be covered by the same models at first (like the original games), there's a lot of customer overlap between existing HH & AT content, and it allows for the increase in battle scale as the storyline reaches the Siege of Terra.

During the previews this week, did they mention updating the GW site? I left a tab open while browsing, and a pop-up appeared saying that I had been on the page for awhile and if I'd like to talk to some "GW Help"