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I’m going to wait to see if there’s a multipart version of those savage boyz before passing judgement. They’re gonna stick out like a sore thumb if you mix them with any other klan but I think they look good standalone.

Still don’t like the mounted guys. They’re just off to me.

Mega Armor boss looks great, it’s consistent with older Ork sculpts while having much more detail. I wonder if they’ll do an upgrade sprue for the Ork boyz like they did with Cadians? Most of the kit is perfectly fine 20 years later but new heads and weapons would go a long way to keep it looking good.

For the codex, I just hope it retains what Orks gained in Vigilus and Saga of The Beast because I really enjoy my Tin ‘Eads Dread Waagh I built last year during the first quarantine.

I'm hoping a lot of the kustom jobs get baked into the units directly

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
A fair point, but you can do that with just a modicum of conversion effort?

It’s again mostly weapon or hand swaps

Not everyone is good at sculping

I’ll let you into a secret.

Nobody is good at sculpting, until they do lots of sculpting and get good at sculpting.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

I think he's just holding a very large pipe and making "pew-pew" noises

And because he is a wh40k ork then it could actually work

Nah. Orks don't work like that.

Something just occurred to me when I was waking up this morning. Remember how Eddie said "There were lots more new orks coming...." or something along those line yesterday?

What if today was Gorka Morka?

I mean all they would essentially need to do is print a rulebook and the existing Ork line (plus whatever new kits) would do double duty.

Meh. Much prefer Eldar or Tau or Tyranids get something new at this point as far as xenos go.

My body is fully ready for disappointment today, though.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
A fair point, but you can do that with just a modicum of conversion effort?

It’s again mostly weapon or hand swaps

Not everyone is good at sculping

I’ll let you into a secret.

Nobody is good at sculpting, until they do lots of sculpting and get good at sculpting.

It's probably more accurate to say that not everyone wants to waste time getting good at sculpting.

Quasistellar wrote:
Meh. Much prefer Eldar or Tau or Tyranids get something new at this point as far as xenos go.

My body is fully ready for disappointment today, though.

I don't think we will get anything that is exclusively for 40k. I suppose if Epic is what is going to be released we could see some Xenos love there (I would be all for this).

In the end it will probably be something for Warhammer animation or something that no one really cares about.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
A fair point, but you can do that with just a modicum of conversion effort?

It’s again mostly weapon or hand swaps

Not everyone is good at sculping

I’ll let you into a secret.

Nobody is good at sculpting, until they do lots of sculpting and get good at sculpting.

I'll let you into another. Not everybody can afford to ruin bunch of gw models while practicing.

Also having to go through that for what was normal feature before　is　step back.

caladancid wrote:

 posermcbogus wrote:
Man, just wanna say how stoked I am that GW finally started to come good on the promises of the "You Will Not Be Missed" post. Some actual tasteful racially diverse human sculpts are really nice. I dearly hope that they make these nice and cheap, so kids can get them when they start out.

It's a little rare coming from me, and tbh, I absolutely feel the frustration from guard players that this is the first infantry release since I've been in the hobby, but it's really refreshing to see a bit of diversity, gender- and racially-speaking, esp. when in the past GW's representation has been largely 'paint heads with white ethnotypical features some shade of brown and call it a day'.

Good job, GW, hope to see more of it going forward, across a few more ranges. (also pls GW remember there are more races than just White and Black kthnksbye)

Yes definitely. Stunning and brave!

Haha, I wouldn't quite go that far, friend, but if that's how you feel, cool!
But you're right, a bit of variety and choice really excellent. Glad to see other people are as excited as I am and more for a some fun customization potential, and something that might help nerdy kids from all kinds of backgrounds find a place in the hobby.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who saw the White Scars index cover and thought it looked brilliant, and then saw the upgrade sprue, and was a little disappointed with the facial sculpts hahaha


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tneva82 wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
A fair point, but you can do that with just a modicum of conversion effort?

It’s again mostly weapon or hand swaps

Not everyone is good at sculping

I’ll let you into a secret.

Nobody is good at sculpting, until they do lots of sculpting and get good at sculpting.

I'll let you into another. Not everybody can afford to ruin bunch of gw models while practicing.

Also having to go through that for what was normal feature before　is　step back.

As someone who has tried it, you really only need like a bit of wire and 2-part epoxy, and some wild dreams but this is getting pretty off topic haha

tneva82 wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
A fair point, but you can do that with just a modicum of conversion effort?

It’s again mostly weapon or hand swaps

Not everyone is good at sculping

I’ll let you into a secret.

Nobody is good at sculpting, until they do lots of sculpting and get good at sculpting.

I'll let you into another. Not everybody can afford to ruin bunch of gw models while practicing.

Also having to go through that for what was normal feature before　is　step back.

Now, if you’d said that in the first place, I would have agreed with you. Up to a point at least. It’s really no different from painting though. Everyone’s first painted minis look at least a bit crappy, but you get better by practice and patience and seeking out the right advice. I would say that in my first few years in the hobby I ruined a bunch of models by painting them.

On the other hand, if you’ve no interest in sculpting and converting, that’s fine too. I can see the argument that the older style of multipose minis gave you more freedom to mix and match parts. However, they really didn’t produce dynamic sculpts that looked amazing. They looked pretty bad imho. Old plastic kits looked worse than the metal minis which proceeded them, because of the limitations of the time. To me, the new style of GW plastics are a massive step forward, not back. Each to their own though.

tneva82 wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
A fair point, but you can do that with just a modicum of conversion effort?

It’s again mostly weapon or hand swaps

Not everyone is good at sculping

I’ll let you into a secret.

Nobody is good at sculpting, until they do lots of sculpting and get good at sculpting.

I'll let you into another. Not everybody can afford to ruin bunch of gw models while practicing.

Also having to go through that for what was normal feature before　is　step back.

It isn't terribly difficult to do swapping of arms though. Even a novice can do it with how these Orks are designed.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
A fair point, but you can do that with just a modicum of conversion effort?

It’s again mostly weapon or hand swaps

Not everyone is good at sculping

Who said anything about sculpting?

Good, sharp scalpel, cut through. Two separate parts, no real requirement for any sculpting whatsoever.

Gonna say; a razor saw would be my preference – you get a nice clean edge with minimal deformation on both sides of the cut. This reduces the ‘sculpting’ requirement even further.

Also, from what I recall, the Ork boyz generally have a bandage or vambrace on their forearms that you can use as a reference, further occluding the join. Marines of course always have their hard edged wrist joints to exploit similarly, the Chadians have their sleeve cuffs and so on.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

It isn't terribly difficult to do swapping of arms though. Even a novice can do it with how these Orks are designed.

There's absolutely no way to tell that just from looking at these minis, especially considering the ...creative... ways that GW has been splitting the minis on the sprues. And again, not everybody wants to convert or swap arms or learn how to sculpt muscles.

Cronch wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
One more thing that comes to mind: Would GW be able to "claim" Creative Assembly's 3D sculpts and re-use them in a lower resolution?
Not sure how their contract is set up, but as the copyright holder I'd imagine they have some leverage there to at least iterate on them.

i've seen 3D prints of Total War assets, so I assume GW would be able to do so just as well as Ivan in his shed at least.

3D printing and plastic injection molding are worlds apart.

But we know for sure and have known since 2018. AT scale was chosen so that small marines would look nice and the designers ended up at about 8 mm MARINES, who being 7-8' tall transhuman monsters in fiction, means the normal 6' scale human would be about 6-7 mm with gear. With heroic proportions, of course, thus "heroic 6 mm". All talk of 8 mm or 10 mm scales has been nothing but hogwash from the very beginning, aided by GW's less than stellar media team's fumblings.

To be fair, GW intentionally does not reveal the scale of its miniatures anymore so as to limit the impact of third party manufacturers.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
On the other hand, if you’ve no interest in sculpting and converting, that’s fine too. I can see the argument that the older style of multipose minis gave you more freedom to mix and match parts. However, they really didn’t produce dynamic sculpts that looked amazing. They looked pretty bad imho. Old plastic kits looked worse than the metal minis which proceeded them, because of the limitations of the time. To me, the new style of GW plastics are a massive step forward, not back. Each to their own though.

But there's something between the old plastics that look terrible, and the new plastics that look good but have clone man syndrome.

It's having monopose models that are thoughtfully constructed to allow for some options to swap bits out.

No sane person wants to hack up 100 Ork models, glue them back together, then spend an ages on each model painstakingly sculpting the detail back in just so the models don't end up hideously repetitive on the table top. One off for a character model? Sure. 100 Orks? Therein lies madness.

We know GW can do this, they've done it before. Is it the norm? Maybe not. But for an army like Orks I think it's the way to go.



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chaos0xomega wrote:

But we know for sure and have known since 2018. AT scale was chosen so that small marines would look nice and the designers ended up at about 8 mm MARINES, who being 7-8' tall transhuman monsters in fiction, means the normal 6' scale human would be about 6-7 mm with gear. With heroic proportions, of course, thus "heroic 6 mm". All talk of 8 mm or 10 mm scales has been nothing but hogwash from the very beginning, aided by GW's less than stellar media team's fumblings.

To be fair, GW intentionally does not reveal the scale of its miniatures anymore so as to limit the impact of third party manufacturers.

I highly doubt that's the reason, people can just measure the models. That's how I figured out the AI aircraft are 8mm scale. Scale creep, internal inconsistency and occasionally artistic license are the bigger reasons that GW's scale is all over the place.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

It isn't terribly difficult to do swapping of arms though. Even a novice can do it with how these Orks are designed.

There's absolutely no way to tell that just from looking at these minis, especially considering the ...creative... ways that GW has been splitting the minis on the sprues. And again, not everybody wants to convert or swap arms or learn how to sculpt muscles.

That’s fine. There’s no point in complaining that you can’t do something you don’t want to learn how to do. Those of us who don’t mind putting a bit of effort in are glad that GW have moved away from the old crappy multipart minis that always ended up looking like the worlds smallest action figures, rather than actual wargaming minis. That is, unless you did a bit of cutting, converting and sculpting on them, to give them a bit of dynamism and more natural poses.

There was a reminder about today on the AoS Facebook page but not the 40k or fireworks pages. Toady is going to be AoS 3.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Mr. Grey wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

It isn't terribly difficult to do swapping of arms though. Even a novice can do it with how these Orks are designed.

There's absolutely no way to tell that just from looking at these minis, especially considering the ...creative... ways that GW has been splitting the minis on the sprues. And again, not everybody wants to convert or swap arms or learn how to sculpt muscles.

That’s fine. There’s no point in complaining that you can’t do something you don’t want to learn how to do. Those of us who don’t mind putting a bit of effort in are glad that GW have moved away from the old crappy multipart minis that always ended up looking like the worlds smallest action figures, rather than actual wargaming minis. That is, unless you did a bit of cutting, converting and sculpting on them, to give them a bit of dynamism and more natural poses.

But again, we're talking about run of the mill Orks here. I doubt those of you who don't mind putting in a bit of effort are running out and cutting the arms off and resculpting 100 Orks for something as mundane as ensuring they aren't too similar to each other.

Ooh, sound issues.

Lol. Age of sigmar 3.0.

They're so predictable.

As most knew, worst kept secret it was

I'm not an AoS player or collector, so I'm happy for those who are into it to get their new edition... I actually wish it would have been the cast preview for Eisenhorn though...

Angelcast now come on the Orcs

Stormcast get an angel!

AoS sister of battle?

Yndrasta looks amazing.

Okay, so I thought about starting Aos and Nighthaunt. Should probably buy the soul wars box now, shouldnt I? Before its gone.

New faction: Sotrmcast Eternals

 Overread wrote:
Stormcast get an angel!

Sotrmcast!