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2021/05/23 06:32:09
Subject: Re:Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel coming soon
Yeah, they absolutely are not being bought out by Disney... However, I wouldn't be surprised if they have a business plan that involves warhammer+ being bought out/licensed to a big streaming platform at some point, I would argue that is in GW's best interest, as whilst warhammer+ will surely be worth it for a few months of the year for most people who enjoy the hobby, the real thing GW want is viewers, and viewers from outside the hobby to let all of the company grow.
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2021/05/23 06:53:49
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel coming soon
But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?
Ah yes; because none of the other times we've heard 'WaIT aNd SEe!' have been entirely predictably lackluster at all...
I feel like people think "wait and see" means "just wait and you'll see that it will be fine" rather than "let's wait for all the details before jumping to potentially exaggerated conclusions".
The problem here is GW have announced the service with no details, leaving us to speculate how they're going to deliver. That's GW's problem at this stage, not ours. They could easily have set out how it will work in broad strokes - whether it's a standalone subscription service, or a new channel on Disney+, or freely available to Netflix subscribers. By making the barest minimum announcement they've created this problem for themselves.
Given the quality of what I've seen so far I'm not impressed enough to shell out any money for this on top of the other subscriptions I already have. Maybe if they bundled it with other content directly related to gaming, such as proper eBooks of the rules, I might be persuaded, but it would heavily depend on price.
This is one of those times where GW's entire marketing strategy really bites them in the rear. A lot of GW advertising is entirely dependent on a very short window of "Look at all this amazing, awesome stuff that you can buy in a couple of weeks!!", with a few mini preview pics and a couple of rules snippets thrown in as added teasers. A streaming service is.... not that. Customers are going to want more details: what will be fully and totally available at launch, what side benefits are there, how much will it cost per month, will it bundle anything else into the subscription, that sort of thing.
So far we have... a few titles, some vague promises, and 7 minutes of something that could just as well be a cutscene from a video game(no offense to the animator, that's just what it looks like to me).
Are any of these shows ready to air?
Will there be individual episodes streaming on a weekly basis? Can you binge the entire thing at once?
How complete is any of it?
What other benefits do subscribers get?
Do you also have access to Black Library audiobooks/dramas?
Are the product discounts for subscribers?
What's the long-term plan for this service? Painting videos? Battle reports? Narrative events?
How much effort are they putting into this to make it a successful and viable streaming service?
Two thirds of those titles didn't even interest me based on those very short audio snippets they gave us.
Tune in on June 23rd to get those kinds of answers. That's what the article said.
Yeah, this wasn’t the preview for the streaming service, it was the announcement for the preview.
I’m happy to wait and see what the price / content deal on this is, but I’m disappointed with where this seems to be going, because it’s a massive missed opportunity to expand the community. If this is sat on their own proprietary service, the only people who will watch it are already Warhammer fans; if this was on a major streaming service (the suggestions of an Amazon sub-channel are a good one), even a small percentage of their user base would represent a massive influx of potential new players. GW should be viewing this as a way to get some claws into more mainstream communities than just squeeze more cash out of their existing fan base.
Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
2021/05/23 07:26:32
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel coming soon
Togusa wrote: So I got to thinking. Any chance they can do any animated shows for LoTR since they have the gaming license for that?
No chance. They can't even use actors' faces for stuff that wasn't in the movies like the Shire Saruman.
Aside from that, Amazon is doing a LotR series, and it's highly likely that this forbids everyone else to do one, be it animated or with actors.
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Togusa wrote: So I got to thinking. Any chance they can do any animated shows for LoTR since they have the gaming license for that?
No chance. They can't even use actors' faces for stuff that wasn't in the movies like the Shire Saruman.
Aside from that, Amazon is doing a LotR series, and it's highly likely that this forbids everyone else to do one, be it animated or with actors.
That's unfortunate. I think some LoTR adventures would be really great, and would be a big draw for a platform like this.
2021/05/23 07:49:51
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel coming soon
But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?
Ah yes; because none of the other times we've heard 'WaIT aNd SEe!' have been entirely predictably lackluster at all...
I feel like people think "wait and see" means "just wait and you'll see that it will be fine" rather than "let's wait for all the details before jumping to potentially exaggerated conclusions".
The problem here is GW have announced the service with no details, leaving us to speculate how they're going to deliver. That's GW's problem at this stage, not ours. They could easily have set out how it will work in broad strokes - whether it's a standalone subscription service, or a new channel on Disney+, or freely available to Netflix subscribers. By making the barest minimum announcement they've created this problem for themselves.
Given the quality of what I've seen so far I'm not impressed enough to shell out any money for this on top of the other subscriptions I already have. Maybe if they bundled it with other content directly related to gaming, such as proper eBooks of the rules, I might be persuaded, but it would heavily depend on price.
This is one of those times where GW's entire marketing strategy really bites them in the rear. A lot of GW advertising is entirely dependent on a very short window of "Look at all this amazing, awesome stuff that you can buy in a couple of weeks!!", with a few mini preview pics and a couple of rules snippets thrown in as added teasers. A streaming service is.... not that. Customers are going to want more details: what will be fully and totally available at launch, what side benefits are there, how much will it cost per month, will it bundle anything else into the subscription, that sort of thing.
So far we have... a few titles, some vague promises, and 7 minutes of something that could just as well be a cutscene from a video game(no offense to the animator, that's just what it looks like to me).
Are any of these shows ready to air?
Will there be individual episodes streaming on a weekly basis? Can you binge the entire thing at once?
How complete is any of it?
What other benefits do subscribers get?
Do you also have access to Black Library audiobooks/dramas?
Are the product discounts for subscribers?
What's the long-term plan for this service? Painting videos? Battle reports? Narrative events?
How much effort are they putting into this to make it a successful and viable streaming service?
Two thirds of those titles didn't even interest me based on those very short audio snippets they gave us.
Tune in on June 23rd to get those kinds of answers. That's what the article said.
Yeah, this wasn’t the preview for the streaming service, it was the announcement for the preview.
I’m happy to wait and see what the price / content deal on this is, but I’m disappointed with where this seems to be going, because it’s a massive missed opportunity to expand the community. If this is sat on their own proprietary service, the only people who will watch it are already Warhammer fans; if this was on a major streaming service (the suggestions of an Amazon sub-channel are a good one), even a small percentage of their user base would represent a massive influx of potential new players. GW should be viewing this as a way to get some claws into more mainstream communities than just squeeze more cash out of their existing fan base.
Honestly? They'd've been better off not doing an "announcing the announcement" moment in this preview, and dropping the June 23rd preview following some posts on WHC that week - or maybe saying they'd do another animation showcase on June 23rd, and including the details of the subscription service then.
Look at the discussion it has generated here already, and the amount of - arguably justifiable - negativity the announcement has caused because virtually no details have been provided. This style of announcement for a service isn't a good move without details.
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
2021/05/23 08:11:43
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel coming soon
But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?
Ah yes; because none of the other times we've heard 'WaIT aNd SEe!' have been entirely predictably lackluster at all...
I feel like people think "wait and see" means "just wait and you'll see that it will be fine" rather than "let's wait for all the details before jumping to potentially exaggerated conclusions".
The problem here is GW have announced the service with no details, leaving us to speculate how they're going to deliver. That's GW's problem at this stage, not ours. They could easily have set out how it will work in broad strokes - whether it's a standalone subscription service, or a new channel on Disney+, or freely available to Netflix subscribers. By making the barest minimum announcement they've created this problem for themselves.
Given the quality of what I've seen so far I'm not impressed enough to shell out any money for this on top of the other subscriptions I already have. Maybe if they bundled it with other content directly related to gaming, such as proper eBooks of the rules, I might be persuaded, but it would heavily depend on price.
This is one of those times where GW's entire marketing strategy really bites them in the rear. A lot of GW advertising is entirely dependent on a very short window of "Look at all this amazing, awesome stuff that you can buy in a couple of weeks!!", with a few mini preview pics and a couple of rules snippets thrown in as added teasers. A streaming service is.... not that. Customers are going to want more details: what will be fully and totally available at launch, what side benefits are there, how much will it cost per month, will it bundle anything else into the subscription, that sort of thing.
So far we have... a few titles, some vague promises, and 7 minutes of something that could just as well be a cutscene from a video game(no offense to the animator, that's just what it looks like to me).
Are any of these shows ready to air?
Will there be individual episodes streaming on a weekly basis? Can you binge the entire thing at once?
How complete is any of it?
What other benefits do subscribers get?
Do you also have access to Black Library audiobooks/dramas?
Are the product discounts for subscribers?
What's the long-term plan for this service? Painting videos? Battle reports? Narrative events?
How much effort are they putting into this to make it a successful and viable streaming service?
Two thirds of those titles didn't even interest me based on those very short audio snippets they gave us.
Tune in on June 23rd to get those kinds of answers. That's what the article said.
Yeah, this wasn’t the preview for the streaming service, it was the announcement for the preview.
I’m happy to wait and see what the price / content deal on this is, but I’m disappointed with where this seems to be going, because it’s a massive missed opportunity to expand the community. If this is sat on their own proprietary service, the only people who will watch it are already Warhammer fans; if this was on a major streaming service (the suggestions of an Amazon sub-channel are a good one), even a small percentage of their user base would represent a massive influx of potential new players. GW should be viewing this as a way to get some claws into more mainstream communities than just squeeze more cash out of their existing fan base.
Honestly? They'd've been better off not doing an "announcing the announcement" moment in this preview, and dropping the June 23rd preview following some posts on WHC that week - or maybe saying they'd do another animation showcase on June 23rd, and including the details of the subscription service then.
Look at the discussion it has generated here already, and the amount of - arguably justifiable - negativity the announcement has caused because virtually no details have been provided. This style of announcement for a service isn't a good move without details.
It's not the fault of Games Workshop that people online hate something without knowing anything about it. For what it's worth I've seen tons of positive conversation about it, both on line and in real life. I for one, am very interested in this project. Having a streaming service that can house all of their content in one place is a great idea. I'm hoping we will get more advanced painting tutorials, conversion videos and more of the Stormcast/40K casts through this service, in addition to cool movies and shows.
2021/05/23 08:23:21
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel coming soon
The advantage of doing their own thing is that they’ll control the IP, and the executive decisions.
If they licensed Netflix or Amazon to make these shows, there would be myriad little tweaks by execs writers and directors who don’t know the universe, in order to appeal to a wider audience.
GW have always been guarded to the point of jealousy with their IP. It’s no surprise to me that they will continue to do so.
Look at Black Library, I’m sure when they first started the novels, people wondered why they didn’t just license the IP to one of the experienced publishing houses etc etc.
They are doing this in house because they will maintain control that way.
2021/05/23 08:47:22
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel coming soon
I have a hunch that Warhammer+ will turn out to be something much more than just a few VOD series. GW owns the rights to all their fiction as well as their publications, and WH+ just might turn out to leverage this aspect on an unprecedented level. This might have been a long time plan coming to fruition..
But let's see when its actually announced!
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2021/05/23 08:48:31
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel coming soon
Oh, I'm not arguing for licencing it out to Amazon, etc., just using their platform for distribution (which, to be fair, they still may be, but they're presenting it as something much more stand alone at the moment).
Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
2021/05/23 08:56:24
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel coming soon
Togusa wrote: It's not the fault of Games Workshop that people online hate something without knowing anything about it. For what it's worth I've seen tons of positive conversation about it, both on line and in real life. I for one, am very interested in this project. Having a streaming service that can house all of their content in one place is a great idea. I'm hoping we will get more advanced painting tutorials, conversion videos and more of the Stormcast/40K casts through this service, in addition to cool movies and shows.
If you do not provide information, you invite speculation - and with GW's recent history when it comes to the digital space, being wary is wise. Can you really sit there and type with a straight face that this isn't going to be overpriced, that this may not mean removing more content from other platforms, that the quality of the delivered product will undoubtedly not be full of bugs?
We know they're not unwilling to pull a bait & switch on their audience - the continued irritation around Cursed City is all the evidence we need there. I'd ask if you're comfortable with people pulling a bait and switch, but...
Having hope is your prerogative, but consider the state of their 40k app, both at launch and even now, and temper that hope with a dash of realism.
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
2021/05/23 09:12:09
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel coming soon
Instead of focusing their efforts timely releases, website stability, product support and availability, they give us this...
Two hands are not not enough to facepalm.
Flinty wrote: There are a lot of audiobooks available and they would appeal to a lot of painters i think to keep the mood going while hands and eyes are busy.
Going to be interesting to see what happens because there is a lot of risk in this arena.
Yeah, if it includes the audiobooks I’d be interested, depending on the price of course.
I don’t see a handful of tv shows being enough to justify a subscription on their own. Don’t get me wrong, I thought the animations they showed looked good, especially Angels of Death, and the ones done in traditional animation style. Was excited to see a Death Korps dude pop up as well. Just think they’ll need more than they’ve shown so far to attract enough people etc.
2021/05/23 09:40:59
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel coming soon
Togusa wrote: It's not the fault of Games Workshop that people online hate something without knowing anything about it. For what it's worth I've seen tons of positive conversation about it, both on line and in real life. I for one, am very interested in this project. Having a streaming service that can house all of their content in one place is a great idea. I'm hoping we will get more advanced painting tutorials, conversion videos and more of the Stormcast/40K casts through this service, in addition to cool movies and shows.
If you do not provide information, you invite speculation - and with GW's recent history when it comes to the digital space, being wary is wise. Can you really sit there and type with a straight face that this isn't going to be overpriced, that this may not mean removing more content from other platforms, that the quality of the delivered product will undoubtedly not be full of bugs?
We know they're not unwilling to pull a bait & switch on their audience - the continued irritation around Cursed City is all the evidence we need there. I'd ask if you're comfortable with people pulling a bait and switch, but...
Having hope is your prerogative, but consider the state of their 40k app, both at launch and even now, and temper that hope with a dash of realism.
I don't know anything about the product yet. We don't know who is even making the application. I use the current 40K app and have no issues with it, so I'm not sure what the deal is there. As for overcosted, again, I have no idea because A) We don't know what the product will offer and B) WE DON'T KNOW THE COST. Cursed City? Where did the mean board game touch you? I won't argue it with you. You believe it was a bait and switch and that's your right. I do not.
2021/05/23 09:55:30
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel coming soon
Maybe I'm the weird one here that didn't see the original title when I looked at warhammer community and honestly I have a serious bone to pick with GW in many ways but the 7 mins preview they showed seems decent. Somehow the art style of it reminds me of the aesthetic of the old starship troopers and starcraft cinematics from the 90s. It's gritty, dark, dirty and chunky. I've been missing that aesthetic for a long time now.
SST: Roughnecks and Starcraft cinematics were the peak of 3D animation back in the day. They looked the way they did because that was the state of the art. The art has moved on and our 3d animated dollies can now look like humans, not glazed mannequins whose lack of detail is hidden by dark shadows.
I don't know anything about the product yet.
Well, we've seen a bunch of trailers of what's clearly supposed to be the main draw of the platform. I suppose if you enjoy watching the same plot of marines go shooty shooty blam with different paint schemes its going to be worth the money.
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2021/05/23 09:56:53
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel coming soon
If it's like a dollar a month I'll consider it a 'netflix expansion pack' and hold on to it hoping to fund some decent content in the future. If it's more than that, I can't see any reason to not just blitz through all the content in a month and cancel.
2021/05/23 10:30:01
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel coming soon
CragHack wrote: Instead of focusing their efforts timely releases, website stability, product support and availability, they give us this...
Two hands are not not enough to facepalm.
I mean, you know it will be completely different teams of people doing this than anything to do with product availability and the like, right?
2021/05/23 10:31:23
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel coming soon
CragHack wrote: Instead of focusing their efforts timely releases, website stability, product support and availability, they give us this...
Two hands are not not enough to facepalm.
I mean, you know it will be completely different teams of people doing this than anything to do with product availability and the like, right?
Yeah, but arguably, resource is resource. The funds and staff time assigned to this venture could have been assigned to QA and follow through on their core existing business.
Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
CragHack wrote: Instead of focusing their efforts timely releases, website stability, product support and availability, they give us this...
Two hands are not not enough to facepalm.
I mean, you know it will be completely different teams of people doing this than anything to do with product availability and the like, right?
Yeah, but arguably, resource is resource. The funds and staff time assigned to this venture could have been assigned to QA and follow through on their core existing business.
Funding, sure, but they don’t exactly seem hurting for funding. Staff, well it’s all different skillsets. You can’t necessarily just throw people at every problem if they aren’t SQEP for things.
2021/05/23 10:37:43
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel coming soon
CragHack wrote: Instead of focusing their efforts timely releases, website stability, product support and availability, they give us this...
Two hands are not not enough to facepalm.
I mean, you know it will be completely different teams of people doing this than anything to do with product availability and the like, right?
Yeah, but arguably, resource is resource. The funds and staff time assigned to this venture could have been assigned to QA and follow through on their core existing business.
Funding, sure, but they don’t exactly seem hurting for funding. Staff, well it’s all different skillsets. You can’t necessarily just throw people at every problem if they aren’t SQEP for things.
No one is discriminating teams but yourself. Gw is a company of multiple teams thats not news and they do different things thats not new.
Argument was GW as a company does not fix their gak on core stuff we don't need this channel... I believe.
I don’t really think saying that it’s a different skill set or group of people for a VOD streaming service and for ‘timely releases and product availability’ is either discrimination or even controversial, tbh.
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2021/05/23 11:18:55
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel coming soon
ImAGeek wrote: I don’t really think saying that it’s a different skill set or group of people for a VOD streaming service and for ‘timely releases and product availability’ is either discrimination or even controversial, tbh.
Maybe I used the wrong word, sorry... Discrimination in the sense of, identifying different teams with different skill sets.
Point was your argument towards someone inability to understand something basic as "different teams do different things" does not address OP comment at all. IMO.
ImAGeek wrote: I don’t really think saying that it’s a different skill set or group of people for a VOD streaming service and for ‘timely releases and product availability’ is either discrimination or even controversial, tbh.
Yeah, it’s not like they’ve told the engineering manger at the factory “Don’t bother building up that new production line for cursed city, we need you to go and learn how to write tv shows now.”
It’s pretty clear the stock issues are more to do with covid and brexit than they are to do with any staff or investment related issues.
But the same old faces on here don’t want to miss a chance to stick the boot in and criticise GW.
2021/05/23 11:32:57
Subject: Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel coming soon
ImAGeek wrote: I don’t really think saying that it’s a different skill set or group of people for a VOD streaming service and for ‘timely releases and product availability’ is either discrimination or even controversial, tbh.
Yeah, it’s not like they’ve told the engineering manger at the factory “Don’t bother building up that new production line for cursed city, we need you to go and learn how to write tv shows now.”
It’s pretty clear the stock issues are more to do with covid and brexit than they are to do with any staff or investment related issues.
But the same old faces on here don’t want to miss a chance to stick the boot in and criticise GW.
Sure thing Sherlock, read how you want it. The only old thing here is selectively "missing point".
Boring really.
Yeah, it’s not like they’ve told the engineering manger at the factory “Don’t bother building up that new production line for cursed city, we need you to go and learn how to write tv shows now.”
It’s pretty clear the stock issues are more to do with covid and brexit than they are to do with any staff or investment related issues.
it is not about the executing stuff but the management
and yes, the current style at GW is instead of trying to fix a flawed product, which would need additional staff and investment, they introduce new products and hope that people forget about the old things
and the current stock issues are more related to GW changing their management software in the back and either put not enough money, people or time into it so it messed things up
same with the App, the basic idea of replacing digital books with an App that comes with an army builder on top is nice, yet either not enough money, people or time (or all 3) was assigned to the project to get it done within time and changing the release date was not possible
and this combined with the attitude "GW does not make mistakes, but the costumers got it wrong"
by everything what GW has done the last 4 years, I cannot see how this project will work out well (either for the costumers, or for GW)
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