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Albertorius wrote: The fact is that someone was there to issue the copyright claim, and I kind of doubt it was someone not meant to do exactly that.
Ad revenue claim. Different thing.
And just to point out literally anyone, anyone, can make a claim. I could go onto any video around and manually issue a claim. Now GW has said the claim was an error but that doesn't automatically mean it was a GW employee that made it.
Otherwise, what do you think happened, here? That some unrelated GW intern happened to be watching the video on a computer that just by sheer luck had YT's copyright infringement claim page open and by some roll of the dice happened to copy the url of the video, paste it on the copyright infringement claim, and send it after writing why they thought it was an actual infringement?
Yes, because as above, anyone can do it at any time.
It's not something you do by happenstance. And it's not something you do if don't aim to do it.
Or it could be a new untrained employee. When I started working in a bar I accidentally sold a good quality (expensive) gin as the house gin (moderately-priced). Funnily enough, people make mistakes.
Using a single incident as evidence for an "I told you so" is just silly.
@phandaal
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phandaal wrote: People aren't claiming any sort of conspiracy. They're pointing to an example of a thing we said would happen and then did happen.
Ahem.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: ...or maybe they lied and backtracked on it? We may never know, unless we have a man on the inside.
EldarExarch wrote: lolGW already starting to copyright claim Warhammer + reviews (Midwinter Minis, whose review wasn't even negative)
..and they are hiring infringement assistants.
Be careful what you wish for.
But yeah, nobody is making this out to be a bigger deal than it is.
Error or not, it would not have happened unless Games Workshop was undertaking these types of actions. Just like we said they would.
"Look! That one guy just chucked his cake in the bin. All men hate cake!"
As for "mass claiming," do you think hiring more people on their infringement team means less action will be taken? Or does hiring more people to do stuff mean that more stuff will be done?
I would like to think that it will be action against recasters and the such. But obviously one channel get an ad revenue claim that was rescinded like 2 days later means GW is going after all channels right?
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Kanluwen wrote: When you're posting things from Arch, you've already missed the point...and confirming a lot of suspicions people might have had about you.
Nice subtle attempt to create a false appearance of consensus there. Yeah I'm sure there's widespread established views that coincide with your own, rather than this just being more of your usual tripe.
Nah. Arch is scum.
2021/09/04 17:10:03
Subject: Re:Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
It could have been chinese whispers that caused the MWM video to get pinged... I actually very much doubt the GW legal team are sitting there watching the video themselves, someone in the company says they watched the video, it's mentioned they used video footage from hammer and bolter... blah blah blah, it reaches the ears of the legal/infringement team who act without actually watching it... It later causes a stir, the legal people actually watch it and hold their hands up and say it was a mistake.
Mistakes like that do happen at times in a fast paced, fluid environments, the important thing is that the lesson is learnt for next time.
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Kanluwen wrote: When you're posting things from Arch, you've already missed the point...and confirming a lot of suspicions people might have had about you.
Is this an attempt to cancel me kiddo?
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Albertorius wrote: The fact is that someone was there to issue the copyright claim, and I kind of doubt it was someone not meant to do exactly that.
Ad revenue claim. Different thing.
A "revenue claim" is a copyright claim where you claim the revenue from a video belongs to you instead of the creator. Copyright claim.
And just to point out literally anyone, anyone, can make a claim. I could go onto any video around and manually issue a claim. Now GW has said the claim was an error but that doesn't automatically mean it was a GW employee that made it.
Anyone can, sure. But GW did do it, as confirmed by both parties.
Or it could be a new untrained employee. When I started working in a bar I accidentally sold a good quality (expensive) gin as the house gin (moderately-priced). Funnily enough, people make mistakes.
Using a single incident as evidence for an "I told you so" is just silly.
Trained or untrained doesn't matter much, here. They did issue a copyright claim. If it's an untrained employee, it did it wrongly (or GW claims so), but intently.
It might very well have been an as-of-yet untrained employee, but issuing copyright claims the way they did it is a manual process. I very much doubt that an untrained employee is issuing copyright claims with GW accounts if GW does not have people looking up YT in search of copyright infringements.
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Kanluwen wrote: When you're posting things from Arch, you've already missed the point...and confirming a lot of suspicions people might have had about you.
Is this an attempt to cancel me kiddo?
It sounds like an observation, pal. I don't think anyones going to demand that you aren't allowed to present your theories at the local uni or that you should lose your daytime TV show.
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Albertorius wrote: Anyone can, sure. But GW did do it, as confirmed by both parties.
Where has GW confirmed it?
Midwinter Minis confirmed that it was a manual copyright claim instead of a bot, that it was GW, and that GW retired the claim and said it was "a mistake".
Also, regarding monetization revenue during a dispute, it seems that YT stores it and after the dispute is resolved it sends it to whomever it belongs, so no "claims make people lose money" unless the claim is legit:
Kanluwen wrote: When you're posting things from Arch, you've already missed the point...and confirming a lot of suspicions people might have had about you.
Nice subtle attempt to create a false appearance of consensus there. Yeah I'm sure there's widespread established views that coincide with your own, rather than this just being more of your usual tripe.
Nah. Arch is scum.
Arch has good reason for his problems with GW. They came for him.
You can cry 'mistake' all you like, GW cancelled a reviewer and it was done manually; because of the backlash it was listed as a 'mistake' and the cancellation undone. Had the backlash not been so severe would that have been so? Error or not we may never know for sure, on their track record GW can be predatory and they can be dishonest. While GW acknowledged this was an overstep it might well have been a step too far to see if they could.
but it was a review and it was subject to an infringement action by Games Workshop. Those are the facts. It should not have happened, but it is dishonest to claim that because the action was allegedly a mistake that no harm was done. Driving over the drink limit, driving over the speed limit, not wearing a condom, not wearing a seatbelt, not securing packages on a fork lift and accidental weapon discharges are all 'mistakes', they are not necessarily consequence free.
I think we need a longer conversation on GW 'errors' GW have made 'mistakes' in the past. Post Chapterhouse a decal making company on Kickstarter had a copyright claim from GW for including on their decal sheet amongst other things the "GW trademark" fleur-de-lys, actively ignoring that they likely know full well it is a medieval French icon and not GW intellectual property. The poor bullied Kickstarter start up modified their fleur-de-lys so they were not 'infringing' until his own backers (including me) informed him that GW had no legal title whatsoever to the imagery at which point he stuck his ground and GW backed down. This was only in 2019 that this happened, long after GW acknowledged that a lot of what they claim as their IP is in actuality not. Was that a 'mistake' on GW's behalf? I strongly argue not, there are a lot of medievalists in GW and the company is not ignorant of medieval culture, the creator of the Kickstarter did not know it was the royal emblem of France and not solely the iconography of the Adepta Sororitas, in a way he was infringing because he was ignorant of its origins, however that does not excuse GW, who should know better, especially as they are making the copyright claim.
And for the record they also complained about his skulls. Yes you heard it right, they were too close to GW skulls, i.e. too close to real skulls. I could accept that if they were the admech skulls, but no, actual skulls. The Kickstart creatior started editing those images too, which upset a lot of backers who asked him to stand his ground.
This is the right time for fanbois supporting GW current string of copyright claims whether they support GW copyright claiming skulls, or fleur-de-lys, and of course whether such claims could possibly be just a mistake.
GW are chancers and they tried to take down a reviewer. I can half believe that some new zampolit on the IP claims department went a step too far, but GW are a big company, and IP is a big stick to wield, it is not too much to ask that it is wielded fairly and with competence, and due to a visible lack of both those provisions in the recent past I see no problem with not pulling our own criticism on GW when they try to censor a product review.
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Kanluwen wrote: When you're posting things from Arch, you've already missed the point...and confirming a lot of suspicions people might have had about you.
Nice subtle attempt to create a false appearance of consensus there. Yeah I'm sure there's widespread established views that coincide with your own, rather than this just being more of your usual tripe.
Nah. Arch is scum.
Arch has good reason for his problems with GW. They came for him.
You can cry 'mistake' all you like, GW cancelled a reviewer and it was done manually; because of the backlash it was listed as a 'mistake' and the cancellation undone. Had the backlash not been so severe would that have been so? Error or not we may never know for sure, on their track record GW can be predatory and they can be dishonest. While GW acknowledged this was an overstep it might well have been a step too far to see if they could.
but it was a review and it was subject to an infringement action by Games Workshop. Those are the facts. It should not have happened, but it is dishonest to claim that because the action was allegedly a mistake that no harm was done. Driving over the drink limit, driving over the speed limit, not wearing a condom, not wearing a seatbelt, not securing packages on a fork lift and accidental weapon discharges are all 'mistakes', they are not necessarily consequence free.
I think we need a longer conversation on GW 'errors' GW have made 'mistakes' in the past. Post Chapterhouse a decal making company on Kickstarter had a copyright claim from GW for including on their decal sheet amongst other things the "GW trademark" fleur-de-lys, actively ignoring that they likely know full well it is a medieval French icon and not GW intellectual property. The poor bullied Kickstarter start up modified their fleur-de-lys so they were not 'infringing' until his own backers (including me) informed him that GW had no legal title whatsoever to the imagery at which point he stuck his ground and GW backed down. This was only in 2019 that this happened, long after GW acknowledged that a lot of what they claim as their IP is in actuality not. Was that a 'mistake' on GW's behalf? I strongly argue not, there are a lot of medievalists in GW and the company is not ignorant of medieval culture, the creator of the Kickstarter did not know it was the royal emblem of France and not solely the iconography of the Adepta Sororitas, in a way he was infringing because he was ignorant of its origins, however that does not excuse GW, who should know better, especially as they are making the copyright claim.
And for the record they also complained about his skulls. Yes you heard it right, they were too close to GW skulls, i.e. too close to real skulls. I could accept that if they were the admech skulls, but no, actual skulls. The Kickstart creatior started editing those images too, which upset a lot of backers who asked him to stand his ground.
This is the right time for fanbois supporting GW current string of copyright claims whether they support GW copyright claiming skulls, or fleur-de-lys, and of course whether such claims could possibly be just a mistake.
GW are chancers and they tried to take down a reviewer. I can half believe that some new zampolit on the IP claims department went a step too far, but GW are a big company, and IP is a big stick to wield, it is not too much to ask that it is wielded fairly and with competence, and due to a visible lack of both those provisions in the recent past I see no problem with not pulling our own criticism on GW when they try to censor a product review.
Arch is a borderline neo-nazi, as well as being a massive misogynst as well, the absolute vile tirade he was making about George Floyd and the issues surrounding it caused GW to go for him, because they quite rightly didn't want their content associated with such a person, especially when there is a bit of a vile far-right underbelly within this hobby crowd already and they don't want it encouraged... Not because he reviewed the hobby or talked about the lore, it was his other 'interests' that were the problem. Being a dick has consequences.
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Arch is a borderline neo-nazi, as well as being a massive misogynst as well, the absolute vile tirade he was making about George Floyd and the issues surrounding it caused GW to go for him, because they quite rightly didn't want their content associated with such a person, especially when there is a bit of a vile far-right underbelly within this hobby crowd already and they don't want it encouraged... Not because he reviewed the hobby or talked about the law, it was his other 'interests' that were the problem. Being a dick has consequences.
Arch is a borderline neo-nazi, as well as being a massive misogynst as well, the absolute vile tirade he was making about George Floyd and the issues surrounding it caused GW to go for him, because they quite rightly didn't want their content associated with such a person, especially when there is a bit of a vile far-right underbelly within this hobby crowd already and they don't want it encouraged... Not because he reviewed the hobby or talked about the law, it was his other 'interests' that were the problem. Being a dick has consequences.
Holy moly, who is this guy and what has he done to provoke reactions like this one? Did he vow to purge all xenos from earth or something?
Arch is a borderline neo-nazi, as well as being a massive misogynst as well, the absolute vile tirade he was making about George Floyd and the issues surrounding it caused GW to go for him, because they quite rightly didn't want their content associated with such a person, especially when there is a bit of a vile far-right underbelly within this hobby crowd already and they don't want it encouraged... Not because he reviewed the hobby or talked about the law, it was his other 'interests' that were the problem. Being a dick has consequences.
Holy moly, who is this guy and what has he done to provoke reactions like this one? Did he vow to purge all xenos from earth or something?
Nothing. He and Sargon of Akkad rejected the narrative, so that makes them neo-Nazis.
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It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Arch is a borderline neo-nazi, as well as being a massive misogynst as well, the absolute vile tirade he was making about George Floyd and the issues surrounding it caused GW to go for him, because they quite rightly didn't want their content associated with such a person, especially when there is a bit of a vile far-right underbelly within this hobby crowd already and they don't want it encouraged... Not because he reviewed the hobby or talked about the law, it was his other 'interests' that were the problem. Being a dick has consequences.
Holy moly, who is this guy and what has he done to provoke reactions like this one? Did he vow to purge all xenos from earth or something?
Nothing. He and Sargon of Akkad rejected the narrative, so that makes them neo-Nazis.
Arch is a borderline neo-nazi, as well as being a massive misogynst as well, the absolute vile tirade he was making about George Floyd and the issues surrounding it caused GW to go for him, because they quite rightly didn't want their content associated with such a person, especially when there is a bit of a vile far-right underbelly within this hobby crowd already and they don't want it encouraged... Not because he reviewed the hobby or talked about the law, it was his other 'interests' that were the problem. Being a dick has consequences.
Holy moly, who is this guy and what has he done to provoke reactions like this one? Did he vow to purge all xenos from earth or something?
Nothing. He and Sargon of Akkad rejected the narrative, so that makes them neo-Nazis.
In past videos (that were taken down thankfully) he has literally used the 'N' word, he has advocated draconian measures against all people of Islam due to the actions of a minority... These are just some tiny slivers...
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Arch is a borderline neo-nazi, as well as being a massive misogynst as well, the absolute vile tirade he was making about George Floyd and the issues surrounding it caused GW to go for him, because they quite rightly didn't want their content associated with such a person, especially when there is a bit of a vile far-right underbelly within this hobby crowd already and they don't want it encouraged... Not because he reviewed the hobby or talked about the law, it was his other 'interests' that were the problem. Being a dick has consequences.
Holy moly, who is this guy and what has he done to provoke reactions like this one? Did he vow to purge all xenos from earth or something?
Nothing. He and Sargon of Akkad rejected the narrative, so that makes them neo-Nazis.
In past videos (that were taken down thankfully) he has literally used the 'N' word, he has advocated draconian measures against all people of Islam due to the actions of a minority... These are just some tiny slivers...
He also claimed that 'we were close to a solution in the 20s and 40s' and that fascism results in utopia.
Scum
2021/09/04 19:01:04
Subject: Re:Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
This is the right time for fanbois supporting GW current string of copyright claims whether they support GW copyright claiming skulls, or fleur-de-lys, and of course whether such claims could possibly be just a mistake.
GW are chancers and they tried to take down a reviewer. I can half believe that some new zampolit on the IP claims department went a step too far, but GW are a big company, and IP is a big stick to wield, it is not too much to ask that it is wielded fairly and with competence, and due to a visible lack of both those provisions in the recent past I see no problem with not pulling our own criticism on GW when they try to censor a product review.
GW is probably giving directions to their infringement people to claim X, Y, Z types of content as GW property. Maybe the actual lawyers will sort it out later if there's a problem.
Then we get situations like what happened in the past and what happened with MWM's W+ review.
So far this seems to be the only review that got hit.
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In fairness to Warhammer +, once the videos are up they stay up. So if they have new content every week as they promise the service may be piss poor now, but could be viable in six or twelve months time.
I can forgive them on this, my main problem with GW on Warhammer + are their methods.
For those tempted by Warhammer +, wait until 2022 before buying in. One of my friends has bought Warhammer +, I was NOT impressed with what I have seen of it, and believe my friend is quickly heading towards buyers remorse.
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If you're already paying £2 a month for the 40k app, assuming you actually want the exclusive model, and you use the £10 voucher, Warhammer+ is cheap by anyone's standards, but especially by GW standards. I'm far from a GW apologist but there's little to nothing to be "remorseful" about here
Overread wrote: Well don't forget prior to sending the team down to get the captain, they were convinced that their fleet of ships in orbit was currently safe. They were not aware that multiple ships had been infiltrated and with the Warp Storm all around them they weren't expecting any other fleets to arrive.
Basically they had time and purpose and the ship was pretty much a safe haven.
Still sounds a bit like a noob move to me. I'd expect that at least half of the brothers would have stayed onboard, lest they risk dropping down into an ambush and getting all killed, leaving no one left to guard the precious geneseed. Anyways, let's see how things progress from here
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
Hmm, whilst lore masters could be promising, again, only 1 animation episode release this week is poor when the whole warhammer+ hype/marketing was mostly about said animations....
I wonder if hammer and bolter will turn up again next week?
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I’m disappointed with the lack of painting videos. I am sure when they announced Warhammer+ they had images from masterclass painting videos for Dominion so I am surprised they haven’t been posted as so much time has passed they are becoming less useful. I suppose they may be announced next Sunday so they are released in the period between codex / wave 2 preorders and release.
Also surprised they haven’t done any master classes for the Kill Team launch, seems another wasted opportunity.
2021/09/05 17:39:38
Subject: Re:Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
endlesswaltz123 wrote: It could have been chinese whispers that caused the MWM video to get pinged... I actually very much doubt the GW legal team are sitting there watching the video themselves, someone in the company says they watched the video, it's mentioned they used video footage from hammer and bolter... blah blah blah, it reaches the ears of the legal/infringement team who act without actually watching it... It later causes a stir, the legal people actually watch it and hold their hands up and say it was a mistake.
Mistakes like that do happen at times in a fast paced, fluid environments, the important thing is that the lesson is learnt for next time.
That's not a mistake, it's a criminal and civil offense. You cannot submit one of these claims without swearing under penalty of perjury that you have a valid basis for it and that you've reviewed the claim to make sure the content really does violate copyright. If this is really how GW is behaving (not saying they are, even I find that hard to believe), that's even worse than anyone imagined, and they ought to face serious legal consequences for it.
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2021/09/05 18:02:56
Subject: Re:Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
Overread wrote: Well don't forget prior to sending the team down to get the captain, they were convinced that their fleet of ships in orbit was currently safe. They were not aware that multiple ships had been infiltrated and with the Warp Storm all around them they weren't expecting any other fleets to arrive.
Basically they had time and purpose and the ship was pretty much a safe haven.
Still sounds a bit like a noob move to me. I'd expect that at least half of the brothers would have stayed onboard, lest they risk dropping down into an ambush and getting all killed, leaving no one left to guard the precious geneseed. Anyways, let's see how things progress from here
In isolation it fits Marine doctrine just fine to strike fast with overwhelming force, and seems in character to me. The thing that may be questionable about it is that they're not striking a predetermined target or rush to reinforce anybody. Their entire predicament is about how they misplaced their captain and locating him takes time and necessarily costs momentum from any rapid assault against a surprise target they're performing, so it may not be the wisest thing to do. And it isn't helped by the fact that half the force took a wrong turn at Albuquerque.
That said, aren't Strike Cruisers like any other Imperial ship of that size in that they need a crew of thousands to operate? You'd expect that to come with a sizable force of capable armsmen. So unless the show doesn't support that idea, I would think there is no factually based security concern and it's only the extreme value of the geneseed that lets the camp voting against the extraction of the captain score some paranoia points. There's no military reason to consider the ship and thus the geneseed in imminent danger with the knowledge the Marines have at the time.
shadowsfm wrote: Didn't the techmarine stay behind on standby in the thunderhawk?
