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There’s some nuance here… we’ll be shipping them out first come, first served. If you get in late, it might just take longer to get them to you… potentially several months longer – but you WILL get your copy.
Sounds like built-in Made to order. I can't complain about that.
That place is the harsh dark future far left with only war left.
Several months? Is it really worth buying if you might have to wait several months to get it? Especially since you won't really know when you order whether you'll get one on release or have to wait several months for it.
Albino Squirrel wrote: Several months? Is it really worth buying if you might have to wait several months to get it? Especially since you won't really know when you order whether you'll get one on release or have to wait several months for it.
It’s as much to dissuade scalpers than anything.
GW want people playing this game. Whether it’s any good or not entirely aside, they’ve invested time and money into its development. If it all ends up in the hands of Scalpers splitting the box down? That impacts their potential player based from the get go.
At least, that’s my theory.
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Balanced is reroll a die. This one took me a bit to puzzle out before I realized that its utility is in generating extra dice (around 25% more total successes) to parry with (or out-feint a parrying foe to land a little more damage or damage on the defense), balanced by the Power Sword doing crits 60% more crits and 20% more damage.
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Just finished watching the Guerrilla batrep. Looks like my concerns about melee being excessively lethal compared to shooting turned out to be a non-issue. I really liked many things about the game. Only thing I didn't like was the tiny board, which led to outright silly moments in the game, with the DKoK being unable to manouver properly and ending up dead. I still think a 4x4' board will work well for KT2 in allowing proper placement.
Can't wait to get playing this one!
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
SamusDrake wrote: The only reason that set is going to sell out is because the game is too damn expensive individually.
Seriously though, guys, has there been a mistake on those prices for the rule books? The fact that they're softbacks just doesn't ring right at all.
I'm really hoping that's a mistake, if they're softback they shouldn't be comparable to the drukhari codex which is 50 usd. 35-40 bucks at the most. If it's 100 bucks in books just to play then I might be out. I'm still not even convinced this edition will even be good.
Bushido's rulebook(my most recent paperback purchase) was $26.99 for 94 pages. $50 isn't wildly crazy to me based upon the 144 page Core Book and the "complete rules for 19 factions, 55 Fireteams and 187 types of Operatives) in the Compendium.
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
tauist wrote: Just finished watching the Guerrilla batrep. Looks like my concerns about melee being excessively lethal compared to shooting turned out to be a non-issue. I really liked many things about the game. Only thing I didn't like was the tiny board, which led to outright silly moments in the game, with the DKoK being unable to manouver properly and ending up dead. I still think a 4x4' board will work well for KT2 in allowing proper placement.
Can't wait to get playing this one!
Yes. I think the board was way too small and crowded. A standard 4x4 would probably make the game more palatable.
You know, it just doesn't look that fun. So many counters and so much junk to keep track of, random objectives that make you do seemingly pointless things, and it mostly doesn't seem to matter much if you position yourself in cover, it's mostly who can roll more crits. Most of the decisions come from using the strategems/tactics or whatever they're called in this game.
kirotheavenger wrote: 19 factions sounds great... until you realise you're only interested in a fraction of those.
While this is true (and particularly so for somebody who already has a model investment in 40k/old KT and thus knows what factions they want), there's also a counterbalancing benefit to being able to get rules for all the factions at once rather than blind-buying shrink-wrapped codexes only to find that they don't suit your playstyle once you break it open and make it unreturnable.
In the age of shrink-wrapped books with digital codes, that's not nothing, especially for somebody coming in cold.
kirotheavenger wrote: 19 factions sounds great... until you realise you're only interested in a fraction of those.
While this is true (and particularly so for somebody who already has a model investment in 40k/old KT and thus knows what factions they want), there's also a counterbalancing benefit to being able to get rules for all the factions at once rather than blind-buying shrink-wrapped codexes only to find that they don't suit your playstyle once you break it open and make it unreturnable.
In the age of shrink-wrapped books with digital codes, that's not nothing, especially for somebody coming in cold.
Or they could've just included them in the core rulebook like last time, but then they couldn't get another £20-£30 out of people.
kirotheavenger wrote: 19 factions sounds great... until you realise you're only interested in a fraction of those.
While this is true (and particularly so for somebody who already has a model investment in 40k/old KT and thus knows what factions they want), there's also a counterbalancing benefit to being able to get rules for all the factions at once rather than blind-buying shrink-wrapped codexes only to find that they don't suit your playstyle once you break it open and make it unreturnable.
In the age of shrink-wrapped books with digital codes, that's not nothing, especially for somebody coming in cold.
Oh I agree, a compendium is a great thing.
The point I intended to illustrate is that 19 factions doesn't really make up for the high price. I'll probably only pull half a dozen datasheets, maybe a full dozen, and the rest will dead weight to carry between games. £30 for that is a hard nope.
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Albino Squirrel wrote: You know, it just doesn't look that fun. So many counters and so much junk to keep track of, random objectives that make you do seemingly pointless things, and it mostly doesn't seem to matter much if you position yourself in cover, it's mostly who can roll more crits. Most of the decisions come from using the strategems/tactics or whatever they're called in this game.
That's kind of what AA games need to keep track of things.
chaos0xomega wrote: They never said anything about making loads of Hexfire.
a frighteningly large segment of the community doesn't consider terrain to be a meaningful return on value
Are you implying it is?
I've put in an order for three copies with my local *because* of the terrain. The Kommandos and Kriegers are just a bonus.
I made a scale comparison of the new Death Korps models.
They come indeed on 25mm bases. Actually they are smaller than I thought, in line with Cadians.
They look more petite than the cadians to my eyes, a pleasant surprise to me. I realize they're taller (the Krieger in that photo has a lot of "lean" in its pose) but they aren't as bulky/have more realistic proportions (even if some might insist that their ankles are unrealistically small).
kirotheavenger wrote: Those sprues are interesting.
How swappable are the Krieg heads? Could you easily use a 3rd party head or they really integrated?
They are integrated. Each head is meant to fit a specific body, as each head comes with an attached hose that attaches to the rebreather unit on the bodies. Therefore you also can't turn the heads.
I told the lot of you so a bunch of pages back, but noooo, you insisted I was wrong based on blurry pics of the sprues.
Turning Points are actually rounds, rather than turns.
Not that that makes it any better.
a_typical_hero wrote: My local dealer, who in comparison is a really small shop, was able to order 16 boxes.
Feels less limited than Indomitus, Dominion and others combined.
Just you wait until GW sells through its retail allocation in the next few days and then starts calling retailers to tell them that their orders are being cut in half, and then that they are being cut in half again. We saw the same thing happen with Indomitus.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
Eh, to be fair a lot of players use turns and rounds interchangeably/incorrectly anyway, so it doesn't really matter. I've read a few reviews already that have said "turning points are what they call turns" or something to that effect.
it would seem pretty obvious that this is an inaccurate statement, as the game is played out over precisely 4 turning points - if turning points were turns, then that would mean there would be, at most, 4 activations (including group activations) over the course of an entire game - not per player, but in total. Even a slightly more generous interpretation of that would still mean that each player would only have 4 activations over the entire game (8 activations total between both players). Again its obvious that turning points are not "turns" in this scenario too, because nobody wants to play a game where the average mini in their force only gets to act once over the course of an entire game.
Ergo, turning points are rounds.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
SamusDrake wrote: The only reason that set is going to sell out is because the game is too damn expensive individually.
Seriously though, guys, has there been a mistake on those prices for the rule books? The fact that they're softbacks just doesn't ring right at all.
I'm really hoping that's a mistake, if they're softback they shouldn't be comparable to the drukhari codex which is 50 usd. 35-40 bucks at the most. If it's 100 bucks in books just to play then I might be out. I'm still not even convinced this edition will even be good.
You’ll be happy to know the essentials package (tokens and gauges and so forth) add another approximate $34 on top of the books. Oh and possibly the cards are required and decks of most cards from them have been in the $15 neighborhood. So, around $150 to just update to the new edition.
That effectively makes the launch box terrain free and each kill team only $25 each. It’s like 2002 all over again with $25 squad boxes! Or maybe not
