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schoon wrote: This strikes me as something they put together in a hurry to respond to the criticism leveled against them concerning the abandonment of previous skirmish games.
While only time will tell, it at least shows that they are thinking about support.
That's actually a good point. I hadn't thought of that.
Still, they could at least tease the next immediate release with a silhouette or even the Warzone name or whatever (especially if it's a new Warzone).
I figure they’ll start those teases once this box is actually released, as they don’t want to distract too much from the new shinies. Look at the new shinies!
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Mr_Rose wrote: Yeah, the issue is that there isn’t enough of it. especially xenos terrain
Which is why I'm going to try and get two sets of KT.
Don't give a damn about KT itself, or the Kreigers for that matter. The Kommandos are a nice bonus though.
If the postal services between Japan and Australia worked in a timely way I'd trade you the terrain for the Krieg team.
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tauist wrote: Some in depth modelling details concerning the new box
Also spotted a DW gunner datacard
Is it just me, or do those mould lines look worse than a lot of GW's recent kits?
No, it's not just you, I spotted it on another video too, especially the Kommandos.
It means they have made a loooooot of those sprues, as you don't tend to usually see mould lines like that until the moulds have been in use for a long time.
schoon wrote: This strikes me as something they put together in a hurry to respond to the criticism leveled against them concerning the abandonment of previous skirmish games.
While only time will tell, it at least shows that they are thinking about support.
That's actually a good point. I hadn't thought of that.
Still, they could at least tease the next immediate release with a silhouette or even the Warzone name or whatever (especially if it's a new Warzone).
I figure they’ll start those teases once this box is actually released, as they don’t want to distract too much from the new shinies. Look at the new shinies!
Details on new models are likely already scheduled as content for a studio preview. Gencon seems to be getting one next month, and GW love to do previews around UK bank holiday weekends so there might be news at the end of August too.
It means they have made a loooooot of those sprues, as you don't tend to usually see mould lines like that until the moulds have been in use for a long time.
It also might be a speed thing, not wear ant tear of the moulds.
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It means they have made a loooooot of those sprues, as you don't tend to usually see mould lines like that until the moulds have been in use for a long time.
It also might be a speed thing, not wear ant tear of the moulds.
That's true, or possibly one of the new machines not calibrated 100% properly. I do think the DKoK and Kommandos will have been mass produced in very large quantities though.
given how long it takes to go from design to boxes ready to ship the quarterly release schedule isn't a response to anything that's been said online since they started teasing this,
even if the had all the the mini & terrain design done they'd never get the rest of the stuff done and into the uk to ship the next quarters stuff, even if the leave it to the very last day to announce a preorder,
the third quarter might just be feasible, but i'd suspect even 6 full months wouldn't be enough time to be certain everything would get done in time
so it's all been planned for ages (whether its good or not)
It means they have made a loooooot of those sprues, as you don't tend to usually see mould lines like that until the moulds have been in use for a long time.
It also might be a speed thing, not wear ant tear of the moulds.
That's true, or possibly one of the new machines not calibrated 100% properly. I do think the DKoK and Kommandos will have been mass produced in very large quantities though.
I'm thinking speed or pressure of casting might be the issue, as the mould lines have a white hue to them which I remember seeing in some models I bought many years ago that were only newly released (so you'd expect the moulds to be in good condition).
If they're releasing DKoK separately soon, they might have cast a lot, but I can't imagine they would have cast a huge number of Kommandos as I reckon the market for them outside of this box isn't going to be huge.
Looking at the options for the Kommandos, I hope the Boyz have similar options when they come out. It'd kinda suck to have lots of options for the relatively rare Kommandos and have basic monopose for the most numerous unit in an army.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: given how long it takes to go from design to boxes ready to ship the quarterly release schedule isn't a response to anything that's been said online since they started teasing this,
even if the had all the the mini & terrain design done they'd never get the rest of the stuff done and into the uk to ship the next quarters stuff, even if the leave it to the very last day to announce a preorder,
the third quarter might just be feasible, but i'd suspect even 6 full months wouldn't be enough time to be certain everything would get done in time
so it's all been planned for ages (whether its good or not)
indeed, this announcement is almost certainly just the public announcement of an existing internal GW plan that, in my estimate, would have been "Da Plan" since at least last year, and quite probably the outline details were agreed pre-covid.
they are almost certianly currently producing the boxes for the next pair of kill teams with the initial runs already stacked and ready for shipping to far flung wearhouses for forward staging out to retailers after the annoucement is of the involved parties in a month or so. Detailed design work on the Q1 2022 release is likely in final stages and contracts and tenders for the artwork, box design and production etc are already being drawn up and signed. So, yhea, they 100% have already decided what kill teams are going to be in released in next 6 months, they just arent telling us what they are yet.
thats just the way these things work. The lead times for international logistics basically demand it. By the time anything is publicly announced, the kits in question will be en route to Australia, new zeeland, china, etc, and they can be like 90% certain that shops will have it in store on the planned release date, which they keep a secret until the week before pre-orders to ensure that the product has cleared the logistic system and is at the point of sale.
They deliberately limit their public pronouncements in this manner in case of logistic fowl-ups, so they can gloss over problems by just not letting us know about things until they are sure they can deliver. Yes, it keeps us in the dark, but it limits thier own exposure to breaking promises by announcing something that then needs to be delayed by weeks because, say, the boxes are stuck in a container on a ship, held up by a ship wedged sideways in the suez (to name a well known recent shipping problem), or the longshoremen in Florida are on strike, or the ship to Australia gets impounded in Dubai because of a customs issue, etc, etc.....you get the idea.
its not the idea situation for us consumers, but it is the safest and logical one for GW to take, unfortunatly.
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The terrain looks very tempting... I kinda want to kitbash it with some imperial terrain to make some Necromundaish scap-city terrain. I wonder how much it will cost separately? If I want the terrain and the guard, will it they cost more separately than this whole box?
xerxeskingofking wrote: its not the idea situation for us consumers, but it is the safest and logical one for GW to take, unfortunatly.
It actually is the ideal situation for us as customers. Nothing makes customers more miserable than being shown something that they can buy at an unknown future date, and then being told they need to wait for it. Worse is when they are told the date they will be able to buy something, and then delays hit and a new date isn't available. Its harder for us to be disappointed about something if we don't know it exists in the first place.
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privateer4hire wrote: Almost certainly the separate stuff will cost more if you get them outside of the launch box.
I'm sure they will cost more, but I really don't want the orks or the rules & other crap and I probably wouldn't bother to find someone to sell them to. So they basically have no value to me.
So the question becomes which will cost more, the orc terrain + Krieg guardsmen or the Killteam box.
xerxeskingofking wrote: They deliberately limit their public pronouncements in this manner in case of logistic fowl-ups, so they can gloss over problems by just not letting us know about things until they are sure they can deliver. Yes, it keeps us in the dark, but it limits thier own exposure to breaking promises by announcing something that then needs to be delayed by weeks because, say, the boxes are stuck in a container on a ship, held up by a ship wedged sideways in the suez (to name a well known recent shipping problem), or the longshoremen in Florida are on strike, or the ship to Australia gets impounded in Dubai because of a customs issue, etc, etc.....you get the idea.
its not the idea situation for us consumers, but it is the safest and logical one for GW to take, unfortunatly.
And the alternative is to function like Fantasy Flight Games, who announces on a much longer lead time (probably due to manufacturing their products in smaller print runs and having a much less well-developed logistical supply chain from a warehousing standpoint, so they *really* want to get early pre-orders to help them ballpark their print run sizes), and then very frequently encounter delays and missed release dates, to the point that they have a notorious reputation for slipping release dates.
So you can either get praise for long lead-time announcements and previews, and then slammed for missing your targets, or you can get slammed for not providing longer-window timelines and (sort of) praised for at least hitting your quick-turnaround release promises. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
There are more states of being than "The way GW does it" and "The way FFG does it". Plus, FFG's method always comes with too many counters and cards.
Crimson wrote: If I want the terrain and the guard, will it they cost more separately than this whole box?
The terrain will likely cost about 70%-80% the cost of the box when it finally comes out. The Guard squad will be the same as every other 10-man box that comes out.
You're better off getting KT.
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So here's what I expect the game to be in practice
Two tiers of factions
One is the "Compendium factions" that have barely functional, get-you-by lists with just 1-2 fighter profiles per plastic kit and no specialists worth mentioning, because no comms model, no comms rules.
Then the Boxed Set factions, with a fancy new kit bringing them all the relevant specialists, but probably utterly inflexible as their list is literally "1 of everything in this one box" and the rules themselves paywalled in the giant boxed sets, as we've already seen starting with Pariah Nexus.
Compendium factions will probably resent the other group their fancy rules, while the Boxed Set factions will resent the other group the flexibility to build what they want from multiple kits.
And playing them against each other will be balance hell.
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The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
From Dosjetka over on Bolter and Chainsword. Dosjetka posted about the Krieg Vs Kommando box last year (including that it would have new Ork terrain), they heard this from the same person -
There will also be a Kill Team box with Sisters Neophytes (new kit and unit entry) vs T'au Pathfinders (upgrade kit) with existing Imperial city terrain.
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I'm sure the Krieg squad will be at least $50. I'm wondering how much the terrain will sell for separately. I guess it depends on if it all comes together and with the board. The Battlezone: Mechanicus – Charadon set currently sells for $150, but that has two boards in it. I'm not sure how the number of sprues of terrain compares, but it looks like it fills about the same amount of space (one board worth). The Warhammer 40,000 Command Edition Battlefield Expansion Set is only $90 and has one board, but significantly less terrain. So I assume this ork terrain will be somewhere between those two, probably closer to the $150. So I'm also thinking that if I want the terrain and the guard, it will probably be about the same price (at retail) as getting the Kill Team starter.
Terrain is pretty basic, mind you. Two copies each of two ruin-corner sprues, one oil pump sprue and the old ork rubble sprue from Speed Freeks/Mekboy Shop. Everything is monobuild so you're already starting off with 2 identical copies of the walls. It's about on par in material with the newer Kill Zones that cost the same as a Start Collecting.
If splitting a box I'd go straight quarter value for each of the squads, terrain, and rules materials.
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The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
Aeneades wrote: From Dosjetka over on Bolter and Chainsword. Dosjetka posted about the Krieg Vs Kommando box last year (including that it would have new Ork terrain), they heard this from the same person -
There will also be a Kill Team box with Sisters Neophytes (new kit and unit entry) vs T'au Pathfinders (upgrade kit) with existing Imperial city terrain.
Thats a shame when Tau scenery kits could be used instead. Nearly had me interested there for a moment...
Yeah those wouldn't make functional Kill Zones at all IMHO.
Of course it's a shame they don't just put out a little Kill Zone of new terrain for each xenos race... but we have 1 now and that's 1 more than we've had in 30 years.
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The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
especially xenos terrain 
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