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 Nevelon wrote:
Game mechanics/models, phobos armor has pretty much replaced scouts 100%.

From a lore POV, is the black carapace still the last step of implants? If that happens after those new fangled primaris implants, we would still have primaris scouts, with all the perks barring power armor.

yes scouts are still a thing,. the 8.5 marine codex lays it out real nicely. if you don't have it see if you can find someone you know with it, from a Lore POV the 8.5 marine codex was one of the better ones. the 9E codices are, lore wise a MAJOR step back

BrianDavion wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Game mechanics/models, phobos armor has pretty much replaced scouts 100%.

From a lore POV, is the black carapace still the last step of implants? If that happens after those new fangled primaris implants, we would still have primaris scouts, with all the perks barring power armor.

yes scouts are still a thing,. the 8.5 marine codex lays it out real nicely. if you don't have it see if you can find someone you know with it, from a Lore POV the 8.5 marine codex was one of the better ones. the 9E codices are, lore wise a MAJOR step back

I have the codex, but don’t read all the BL stuff that’s been churned out. As fluff is often overridden and conflicting, I thought I’d doublecheck.

New WarCom article teases Primaris BT Units.

"True heirs of Sigismund may notice that the gentleman in the middle has distinctly black-and-red shoulder pads, which mark him out as one of the elite Sword Brethren. But doesn’t he also appear to be wearing the armour of a Primaris Space Marine? How curious."

This should confirm the rest of the BT rumours.

I really don't like the art. The Castellan's head seems out of place.

Bummer.

Yup, and first post is updated!

This is going to be make or break for that big rumor dump whenever we see the launch box.

a_typical_hero wrote:
I really don't like the art. The Castellan's head seems out of place.

Bummer.

Maybe that's actually a neophyte standing on another's shoulders, in one suit of power armour? He's got really tiny arms compared to his torso and legs, too. Ugh, that pic is really a mess :|

It's a bit easier to see here that there's some rubble that the Sword Brethren is standing on.

And there's what looks to be a Neophyte in Phobos armor with a Bolt Carbine!

Absolute peak of Space Marine proportions

Again, absolutely phenomenal cover art. 9th edition has got to have the best cover art so far.

Something about the chap in focus just looks really... off. I can't tell if his head just looks tiny or what.

Image of 2 thunderhawks in the picture....Plastic Thunderhawks incoming

Art looks great to me, will be interested to see what the new models look like.

 Theophony wrote:
Image of 2 thunderhawks in the picture....Plastic Thunderhawks incoming

https://youtu.be/-ya9LA0NCZY

Didn't they say there'd also be a banner bearer? 'Cause that's in the shot as well.

I love the crusader helms on the Primaris Marines.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Something about the chap in focus just looks really... off. I can't tell if his head just looks tiny or what.

I'm pretty sure I saw him in the Super Mario Bros movie, though he wasn't in armour at the time.

According to Valrak on YouTube, the release box for Templars is including a Marshal, Emp's Champ, Redemptor and a Crusader Squad with 6 Initiates and 4 Neophytes.

If they price that at £125, there might be a few disgruntled voices but you do get a Ltd Edition codex out of it.

That's a neophyte on the right, right?
To the left of the guy holding the sword, and below the bolter guy.

The shoulder pads are different, he's helmetless, etc.

 GaroRobe wrote:
That's a neophyte on the right, right?
To the left of the guy holding the sword, and below the bolter guy.

The shoulder pads are different, he's helmetless, etc.

That's what I'm thinking, yes. He does seem to additionally be wearing a Reiver helmet rather than being helmetless.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
That's a neophyte on the right, right?
To the left of the guy holding the sword, and below the bolter guy.

The shoulder pads are different, he's helmetless, etc.

That's what I'm thinking, yes. He does seem to additionally be wearing a Reiver helmet rather than being helmetless.

I think it is actually a hood, outline is bit odd for a reaver.

 Kanluwen wrote:

It's a bit easier to see here that there's some rubble that the Sword Brethren is standing on.

And there's what looks to be a Neophyte in Phobos armor with a Bolt Carbine!

That Sword Brethren is overdue a visit from the Inquisition. Mutation can be the only reason I can think of for what must be a rediculously long neck.

Cover seems to confirm several items from the rumor dump such as the primaris sword brethren, the initiates and their armaments, and the neophytes. Looking forward to this!

I'm rather hyped and I just want to see the models! (When are they gonna show us the models?) I don't collect Black Templars, but it seems like this might be a good amount of cool primaris stuff to kitbash with other kits.

If they are all meant to be primaris, the flamer in the background right is quite interesting

The marine on the right of the picture, there's no exhaust vents on the back pack. It's not that clear but it looks a little like the existing scouts weird triangular back. The armour looks lighter like phobos, but the gun theyre holding isn't either of the carbines used by infs or incs. nor does it look like any of the bolt rifles?

Abaddon303 wrote:
The marine on the right of the picture, there's no exhaust vents on the back pack. It's not that clear but it looks a little like the existing scouts weird triangular back. The armour looks lighter like phobos, but the gun theyre holding isn't either of the carbines used by infs or incs. nor does it look like any of the bolt rifles?

I agree, it also seems to have a reiver style face plate on the lower part of the face (not necessarily a skull like plate), but the upper is either hair or a hood. Interesting.

Can anyone tell if the flag in the back matches the rumor engine skeleton with the "W"? I keep flip-flopping on whether it matches or not

 Arbitrator wrote:
Something about the chap in focus just looks really... off. I can't tell if his head just looks tiny or what.

Oh lawd, don't say gak like that. They'll all start thinking Primaris Marines are too small as well...

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Something about the chap in focus just looks really... off. I can't tell if his head just looks tiny or what.

Oh lawd, don't say gak like that. They'll all start thinking Primaris Marines are too small as well...

Did someone say Primaris CENTURIONS?

 GaroRobe wrote:
Can anyone tell if the flag in the back matches the rumor engine skeleton with the "W"? I keep flip-flopping on whether it matches or not

Seems so, doesn't it? Here, for reference

Love it. Looks like regular Monday updates for BT as well, so hopefully Crusaders/SB next week.