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 Galas wrote:
And in 5 years primaris will have even more distinc types of their armours, just like normal marines.

Except they won't be swappable and interchangeable. That's what I meant by those days are dwindling.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Galas wrote:
And in 5 years primaris will have even more distinc types of their armours, just like normal marines.

Except they won't be swappable and interchangeable. That's what I meant by those days are dwindling.

A very sad thing. Today a friend of mine has been sending me photos of his imperial guard made mixing cadians with wargames atlantic and napoleonic kits.

And I'm here with my start collecting chaos space marines (I know they are monopose easy to build up but) thinking "Damm. Those dam amorphous soldiers surely look funny but how fun is to build them as you like mixing everything"

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

He literally just said Phobos armour looks diffrent between units, despite the fact it's the same type. I mean you're not gonna tell me Eliminators, Reivers and the Phobos Librarian look THE SAME, are you? They're both Phobos.

Damn, the reach is getting real.
Again, just stop using characters for that topic, I'm starting to get second hand embarrassment just watching you strugle that much, and YES, the phobos have SOME variants.

The infiltrator have ONE of them is a com guy that has a special helmet that goes with his special back pack and ONE of them has 3 studs on the helmet (wich is, admittedly, the most "variety" primaris EVER had).
Incursors and Reivers are half bare headed and the only variant here is the bare head, or in the case of the incursor if the visor is up or down.

WOW good job, you found 2 variant for ONE unit, one of them is barely noticeable and the other is standard part of his kit (so not a random cosmetic change).

Now please, just stop, for real, it's sad.
Also while you are at it, never try again to pretend you are some kind of edgy black knight, that's just embarrassing.

 Galas wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Galas wrote:
And in 5 years primaris will have even more distinc types of their armours, just like normal marines.

Except they won't be swappable and interchangeable. That's what I meant by those days are dwindling.

A very sad thing. Today a friend of mine has been sending me photos of his imperial guard made mixing cadians with wargames atlantic and napoleonic kits.

And I'm here with my start collecting chaos space marines (I know they are monopose easy to build up but) thinking "Damm. Those dam amorphous soldiers surely look funny but how fun is to build them as you like mixing everything"

Lemme tell ya, the so-called standalone Chaos Space Marines kit ain't much better in that regard

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Vorian wrote:
That's just nonsense though. Obviously untrue.

Obviously untrue?

Yeah. They are not rebooting the whole game like they did for WHFB, not were they ever going to.

There will conceivably come a time when they reach a similar saturation point with all the armies, like they did with the original marines, but that's not for quite a while yet.

 Galas wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Galas wrote:
And in 5 years primaris will have even more distinc types of their armours, just like normal marines.

Except they won't be swappable and interchangeable. That's what I meant by those days are dwindling.

A very sad thing. Today a friend of mine has been sending me photos of his imperial guard made mixing cadians with wargames atlantic and napoleonic kits.

And I'm here with my start collecting chaos space marines (I know they are monopose easy to build up but) thinking "Damm. Those dam amorphous soldiers surely look funny but how fun is to build them as you like mixing everything"

Yeah, GW have removed one, if not the, part of the hobby that i liked the most, building miniatures. Made me really appreciate these minis more, when i could kind of customize them. I really hope this new trend will end soon (though it doesn't look like ot)

 Galas wrote:
[HN] you are complaining that all primaris armors are the same... because they all have an aquila on the chest...

So... this is just straight to the strawman now?
Just for the record, that's NOT what I said. Just so we are clear and everyone can see wtf you are trying to pull.

 Galas wrote:
And you say that I'm wrong when I say thats has been the fluff forever, and if in the tactical squad you have different chest pieces is because they are from different marks of armor...

Dude, you didn't even knew the god damn helmets of each mark of armors have variants... just stop.

 Galas wrote:
But the MKVII is literally called the "Aquila" patern because all of them have an aquila in the chest? Are you sure I'm the one that doesnt know his own fluff?

How embarrassing.

How GOD DAMN EMBARRASSING.

Btw, please note how the back pack too have different variants, too.
And there's more of them, that's just the first example I found.

And before you even try: Yes, thos are all MK7.

The only difference is one skull... even the legs are all the same...

I literally said, in my post, that you have always special kind of helmets like the more kingly ones of black templars or Dark Angels (I know, I play DA). And Primaris now have that with bladeguard helmets.

But tell me, what different types of helmets do MK2 or MK3 or MK4 or MK5 or MK6 have? Maybe one that has a skull for the sargeant in the faceplate, ok. Or a cyborg eye, you have those too in your Primaris helmets. But I don't consider those different varities of helmet.



This one is a special variety of helmet of course. But as I said, Primaris, with each wave, are also adding different style of helmets to their line just like marines did.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Galas wrote:
And in 5 years primaris will have even more distinc types of their armours, just like normal marines.

Except they won't be swappable and interchangeable. That's what I meant by those days are dwindling.

A very sad thing. Today a friend of mine has been sending me photos of his imperial guard made mixing cadians with wargames atlantic and napoleonic kits.

And I'm here with my start collecting chaos space marines (I know they are monopose easy to build up but) thinking "Damm. Those dam amorphous soldiers surely look funny but how fun is to build them as you like mixing everything"

Yeah, GW have removed one, if not the, part of the hobby that i liked the most, building miniatures. Made me really appreciate these minis more, when i could kind of customize them. I really hope this new trend will end soon (though it doesn't look like ot)

Other companies have overtaken GW. I've had fun with it, even got me into historicals which I never thought would happen.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Galas wrote:
And in 5 years primaris will have even more distinc types of their armours, just like normal marines.

Except they won't be swappable and interchangeable. That's what I meant by those days are dwindling.

Umm, yes they are...

 Galas wrote:
The only difference is one skull... even the legs are all the same...

"the only difference"...
So there is a difference right?
Because, yanow, you just said there wasn't any.

Also, try to use your eyes just a bit for a change, the legs also have small changes on the marking near the crotch. Very small, sure, but there.

And again, as I've said, that's just the first example I found, there's a LOT more variant on the MK7. Hell, it's probably the one with the most variants out there.

So yeah, that "only difference" is still MORE difference than the primaris have (ON THE SAME ARMOR TYPE, because I know you two are very desperate, so I'll have to had that caveat, which is just sad).

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 streetsamurai wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Galas wrote:
And in 5 years primaris will have even more distinc types of their armours, just like normal marines.

Except they won't be swappable and interchangeable. That's what I meant by those days are dwindling.

A very sad thing. Today a friend of mine has been sending me photos of his imperial guard made mixing cadians with wargames atlantic and napoleonic kits.

And I'm here with my start collecting chaos space marines (I know they are monopose easy to build up but) thinking "Damm. Those dam amorphous soldiers surely look funny but how fun is to build them as you like mixing everything"

Yeah, GW have removed one, if not the, part of the hobby that i liked the most, building miniatures. Made me really appreciate these minis more, when i could kind of customize them. I really hope this new trend will end soon (though it doesn't look like ot)

Other companies have overtaken GW. I've had a lot of fun with it, even got me into historicals which I never thought would happen.

For me, Wargames Atlantic really scratches that itch GW now doesn't.

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 Galas wrote:
But Primaris also have different helmet variants? Tacticus Mark X armor has the Bladeguard and the Intercessor varietyes for example.

The Phobos armour haves reiver, incursor and the third ones, each one with different helmets.

And I don't know if gravis has different types of helmets.

And in 5 years primaris will have even more distinc types of their armours, just like normal marines.

Hot damn, here come the second part of the duo.

Yes. As I've already said, primaris have different type of armors, but when you take one type (phobos, heavy, etc etc) they are all THE SAME.

That's just a straight up lie. These two use the same pattern, but you wouldn't say they look THE SAME, now would you?

HN wrote:

 Galas wrote:
The only difference is one skull... even the legs are all the same...

"the only difference"...
So there is a difference right?
Because, yanow, you just said there wasn't any.

Also, try to use your eyes just a bit for a change, the legs also have small changes on the marking near the crotch. Very small, sure, but there.

And again, as I've said, that's just the first example I found, there's a LOT more variant on the MK7. Hell, it's probably the one with the most variants out there.

So yeah, that "only difference" is still MORE difference than the primaris have (ON THE SAME ARMOR TYPE, because I know you two are very desperate, so I'll have to had that caveat, which is just sad).

But this two units are using the same mark of armour?





And they have differences from the helmtes to the aquila in the chest to the knee pads to the shoulderpads?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

That's just a straight up lie. These two use the same pattern, but you wouldn't say they look THE SAME, now would you?

Still trying to use characters and desperately clinging on phobos I see?
Have you no shame?


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 Galas wrote:
But this two units are using the same mark of armour?

I'll be honest I don't even know how you still can stand after getting annihilated like.
Again, how many time do we have to get back to that point?
They are different UNITS. Repeat after me : D I F E R E N T U N I T S.

Hey, since I'm new here, can someone confirm to me that these two are the usual "clown" of service that we find in every forums these days?

HN wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

That's just a straight up lie. These two use the same pattern, but you wouldn't say they look THE SAME, now would you?

Still trying to use characters and desperately clinging on phobos I see?
Have you no shame?

Neither of those are characters?

I got to see the sprues for this weekends release at the New Orleans GW US open event. As a BT player since 2008, I’m a happy camper with these.

Sorry, I completely blanked and did not take pictures. From what I saw in the display case, the Axe was baller. However, at D1, I will still go with power fists I think.

The funny thing is that I would agree with you in that I much prefer the old style of marine kits with kits that are compatibles with each other and differences in each kit with more personalization for each individual.

But you are acting like a total donkey cave, and trying to paint primaris as something they are by using personal metrics of what is valid and what isn't, so I'll take the contrarian stance here.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Neither of those are characters?

That's the sergent eliminator, monopose.
You can't make less standard than that and you certainly can't use it to build some variety in your squad of 10.

You are really going to die on that hill?
I'm very impressed by your dark knightness.


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 Galas wrote:
The funny thing is that I would agree with you in that I much prefer the old style of marine kits with kits that are compatibles with each other and differences in each kit with more personalization for each individual.

Looks whos slowly waking up to the fact that he's dying on the wrong hill

 Galas wrote:
But you are acting like a total donkey cave, and trying to paint primaris as something they are by using personal metrics of what is valid and what isn't, so I'll take the contrarian stance here.

Aannnd he is back to his strawmaning.

Anyway, next time you INSIST about anything related to a sprue, at least, take 2 second to google it and make sure you wont make a total ass of yourself in public.

HN wrote:

Yes. I know each unit "kinda look distinct", LITERALLY because they use different armor type, I'm not blind and I don't even understand why you thought that was a point that even needed to be made.

HN wrote:

All the primaris look exactly the same, to the point that they are the only mark of armor that have ONE type of helmet (outside of the very punctual special character, I have to precise because I see you coming) outside of the Sergent that got a tiny skull on the forehead, where every other mark of armor before that had some tiny variant, some time rather subtle, to break the monotony.

HN wrote:

Again, how many time do we have to get back to that point?
They are different UNITS. Repeat after me : D I F E R E N T U N I T S.

Can you at least be consistent? Once you say all versions of the armour all look the same, and sometimes you say they look distinct because they're diffrent units (despite the fact they're using the same variant of the armour). So which one is it?




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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Neither of those are characters?

That's the sergent eliminator, monopose.

1. That doesn't make him a character, that just makes him a unit leader.
2. Other Eliminators also look distinct from Reivers, y'know?

 Crimson wrote:
Umm, yes they are...

You can mix'n'match torsos and legs from, say, the Intercessor kit and the Blade Guard kit?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Can you at least be consistent? Once you say all versions of the armour all look the same, and sometimes you say they look distinct because they're diffrent units (despite the fact they're using the same variant of the armour). So which one is it?

Please. You've lost any right to use words like "consistent".

And, unlike you, I've been pretty consistent from the start, YOU and your lil friend, have been trying really, REALLY hard to prove me wrong out of some sort of... weirdly out of place spite, by layering and plitting hairs to a ridiculous level.

Take a box of intercessor: they have all the same torso, backpack, legs and helmets (with an added tiny forehead skull for the sergeant).
That the assault intercessor, same deal.
Take any of the many pointless primaris units that are currently bloating the god damn marine codex and it's the same thing WITH SOME MINOR EXCEPTIONS.

And guess what, an exception doesn't prove a rule wrong.

I've even shown a simple example of how the primaris could EASILY add variety to their units by simply, yaknow, do what the FB did for decades and have subtles variants of the same mark of armor, simple stuff like the chest decoration, slightly different helmets, backpack and legs.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Umm, yes they are...

You can mix'n'match torsos and legs from, say, the Intercessor kit and the Blade Guard kit?

No, but you can mix arms and heads.

(Well, I have mixed torsos and legs from different Primaris kits, but that takes cutting. Though with segmented power armour that's not exactly difficult.)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Umm, yes they are...

You can mix'n'match torsos and legs from, say, the Intercessor kit and the Blade Guard kit?

Personally for me, as long as I can freely change arms, weapons and heads, those are the most important parts to mix between kits.

I was in the "Mixed leg and torsos are better to have more natural poses" camp. And kinda I still believe it. But the way GW is doing mixed legs and torsos is irrational. They could make mixed legs and torsos in more "natural" ways to allow for more intra-kit compatibility, or making stuff like bladeguard tabards to be able to be put into intercessor kits. They have the expertise and technology.

But they are doing stuff like this with the clear intentionality of NO MIXING, EVER. And thats sad. Sad and bad because they have no reason to do this. Literally. People buys more boxes to mix n' max before this. So I really cannot understand even from an purely economical point of view, why degrade your kits like this.

 Galas wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Umm, yes they are...

You can mix'n'match torsos and legs from, say, the Intercessor kit and the Blade Guard kit?

But they are doing stuff like this with the clear intentionality of NO MIXING, EVER. And thats sad. Sad and bad because they have no reason to do this. Literally. People buys more boxes to mix n' max before this. So I really cannot understand even from an purely economical point of view, why degrade your kits like this.

Spoiler:

The answer is actually quite straightforward - back when kits were easily interchangeable, people could easily make third party ones that would fit most existing Marine kit for example. You know, they just had to make a bit with the standard torso or shoulder or head joint, and it would probably fit most Marines. Now GW is trying really hard to make it impossible to have 3rd party parts with versatile use, and by that, discourage making them at all, since they'd fit one specific body at best.

 Galas wrote:
People buys more boxes to mix n' max before this. So I really cannot understand even from an purely economical point of view, why degrade your kits like this.

Hanlon's Razor.

I think this is the exception to Hanlon's Razor.

Like the switch to 32mm bases, I think this change was done specifically to stifle the third party market. I mean even their terrain is less modular than it used to be (or not modular at all).

If GW were stupid they wouldn't be recording record profits. They're not stupid, they're just bastards willing to shoot themselves in the foot to nail a perceived competitor in the head with a ricochet.

Publicly Traded/Large Corporation/Stockholders/Lawyers/Management/Suits who don't even know what a boltgun is, protecting their IP at any cost.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Like the switch to 32mm bases, I think this change was done specifically to stifle the third party market.

That's absurd. 32mm bases were introduced because many models look better on them and third party makers can just as easily produce bases in any size.